2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Skatesocs]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAJf7zc6S_8
Maybe people wanted Aliona to be flirty and smiling when performing to a music about the loss of 3% of the world’s population. Because that’s what The Leftovers was about, coping with loss.

No, most of us just don't want to see whatever this is supposed to be: https://youtu.be/hAJf7zc6S_8?t=123

And if that's her "loss of 3% of the world's population" face, then she should think about becoming a professional poker player after she's done with skating. She'd rake in $$$. The ending expression is even more amazing if it's about loss.

 

[flanker]

The game I play is based on what I see from the novices, who were basically coached by him and that are superior to all the current girls when they were at this age.

Veronika Zhilina
Sofia Akatieva
Adeliya Petrosian
Elena Kostyleva

And the current juniors
Kamila Valieva
Daria Usasheva

These girls were mostly trained by Rozanov. And I can see clearly how superior they are with their current age when compared to Anna/Aliona/Sasha.

Their choregraphy as novices is way better than most of Daniil’s choreography.

So, yes, maybe you didn’t notice Sergei Rozanov before, but his work and success is undeniable.

And it is confirmed that he wanted to make Sasha’s programs better choreographed, but that Daniil didn’t let him give his opinion.

If the fans didn’t notice him before, it’s because he was very low-key on social media and TT didn’t give him the spotlight.

First, most of the choreos of those ladies were done by Daniil/Eteri. Those ones with exclusively Rozanov's choreo were probably just Zhilina and Kostyleva, with the other novices I'm not sure about their SP.

Second, they are all coached together with the participation of all coaches, it's not that as you probably think they were coached by Rozanov and the rest didn't participate. That's just once again your twist of reality. There are particular moments like during the preparation for the olympics/worlds where the main trio is more focused on the qualifiers, but that's some month or two before the top competition. During the rest of time they work all together.

Third, the question who is better at what age is quite subjective, your personal opinion is not changed into the truth (though, if in your logic those were trained only by Rozanov and Trusova was also trained by Rozanov to her first junior gold medal as you claim, than you just could say that Rozanov just overcame himself, not that he is doing better than the other coaches. That's just your own goal). Also, if we talk about Aliona+Anna at the junior level, then Aliona came to Eteri only in summer 2017 and Anna was out most of the 2017/2018 season because of her previous injury and even her 2018-2019 season was still partially about returning back to the form. On the other hand, Sofia Akatieva is with Eteri fo the most of her skating career even before Rozanov came. Also, Valieva has broken her leg during the autumn, but returned back under the supervision of the whole team, not particularly Rozanov.

Conclusion. You in your head created the fictional world where you credit Rozanov with everything you like while you stripped the rest of the team of practically any participation on the training of those "who are better then their predecessors" (while in your claims those were also trained by Rozanov, that's so funny ). But that's not the reality, just fanfiction.

 

[SkateSkates]

No, most of us just don't want to see whatever this is supposed to be: https://youtu.be/hAJf7zc6S_8?t=123

And if that's her "loss of 3% of the world's population" face, then she should think about becoming a professional poker player after she's done with skating. She'd rake in $$$. The ending expression is even more amazing if it's about loss.

Just say you don’t like her interpretation. It’s fine, not everyone has to like the same skater. I would like to offer a counter argument to those who say she’s not musical:

Her StSq to Eyes on Fire and 3F3T - there were multiple times she was behind the music, but for the move where she stares at the judges and puts her right arm out on “I’ll seek you out” she was always on the beat. Sometimes she adjusted so she hit the next beat. Then she would speed up or slow down to hit the “eyes on Fire” chorus during her 3F3T combo. Why was she sometimes late? I think this is more due to the choreo and her trying to hold movements she doesn’t have time to hold. The only time she was on time or ahead of the music was Euros and she looked incredibly rushed, but apparently this is how she would have to perform the choreo to not get behind. I think it’s more the fault of the choreo not giving her room to breathe - when she has a program like Adios Nonino or Stella’s Theme you can see her musicality shine through. The LP this season was not originally choreographed to start with 2 triple axels, but once they added those in they just crammed in the rest of the choreo without adjusting. Same with the SP, causing her to look rushed which could’ve been fixed by readjusting the choreo in both programs. I just hope next year the programs play to her strengths more and maximize her natural abilities instead of fighting against them.

 

[Skatesocs]

Just say you don’t like her interpretation.

I already did lol. I am simply responding to the claim that someone would like to see "flirty" facial expressions to that music.

I wouldn't attach facial expressions to interpretation solely anyway. It is also a part of performance, and it does show she had little understanding of the music - hence musicality. The choreography is horrid. It's not interpreting the music in any meaningful way in terms of movement anyway. That's on the choreographer. I'm sure somebody will come to tell me that it's subjective again and all open to discussion and what not (or maybe not with Gleikh, unlike with Med's "artistic improvement" under Orser) but it's not subjective to such a degree that it's all just a range of different equally valid opinions. You can pick an opposing stance and disregard mine, and I support your right to do it as a fan though, like I acknowledged with el henry. But I do put way too much thought into these things before talking about what I saw. If someone can provide an analysis beyond "taste" and tell me why I'm wrong -keeping in mind I've praised them both for things they present- I'd love to read why you think so.

 

[Jeanie19]

I never said I think Rozanov is behind Team Tutberidze’s success, it would be insane.

But he totally learned from their methods and gave his own touch. I think he made amazing job with the novices, even if they were already great.

I honestly looked for the video I am sure i saw of Sasha at a competition with him in the 2018 season, I really thought it was Worlds, but I rewatched Worlds and realized it wasn’t it, my mistake, pardon me. I keep looking for the video, but can’t find it.

Again, I never said all of the talents/accomplishments of the girls were because of him, and now that I’ve reread my previous posts I understand I wasn’t the most clear.

Even so, I still think Rozanov >>>> Daniil.

Is Rozanov >>> Eteri/Dudakov? Of course not!!!

Daniil is not Team Tutberidze, Daniil is one of the elements that makes some people dislike Team Tutberidze because of his choreography. But maybe the blame on the choreography is not only Daniil’s, cause the guy probably gets burnt out of having to choreograph for so many kids per season. It’s too much. Team Tutberidze should get more choreographers, Daniil’s head only makes 2-3 good programs for season, the rest ends up being uninspired, because people are not creative machines.

Maybe it was 2018 Russia Cup Final that Rozanov was at the competition with her?

 

[flanker]

BTW we can clearly see Rozanov in disguise and in two

Though, to be more objective, there are pictures with Rozanov (and Sasha's mother) from internal competitions from that season, like this one.

 

[Scott512]

Yes, he definitely is very promising and no doubt he was very useful for TT, but all those overstatements went too far.

Exactly. I'm not down on the guy at all he made a business decision for his career. If it works out young Sergei is going to become a prominent coach. But he was just another useful coach at TT and he probably got tired of that.

You can not like Aliona’s artistry or not think she’s musical, but saying she lacks multi directional skating and 1 foot skating is just factually incorrect. She is the only female skater doing difficult 1 foot skating featuring turns in both directions into her 3A. She also does the choctaw counter entry to her flips, and multi direction turns, opposite direction waltz jump/counter into her 2A with an opposite direction turn out of it. She has also done spirals, Ina bauers, split jumps etc into her jumps. Not sure where this criticism is coming from.

the comments against Alionas skating are truly perplexing and bewildering.

The "young Rozanov" is almost 31. That is young but he was able to gain some experiences.

He is young Sergei compared to Sergei Dudakov.

 

[plushyfan]

He is young Sergei compared to Sergei Dudakov.

Yes, or compared to Mishin or even to Fank Carroll But I understand what you wanted to say.

 

[plushyfan]

No, most of us just don't want to see whatever this is supposed to be: https://youtu.be/hAJf7zc6S_8?t=123

no video

 

[GINO]

Though, to be more objective, there are pictures with Rozanov (and Sasha's mother) from internal competitions from that season, like this one.

To be even more objective, as I wrote above, Rozanov was with Sasha at all stages of Russian Cup:
Sochi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE2Nzq_2w6Y
Moscow https://youtu.be/8JsWpxfZb_E?t=257
Novgorod https://youtu.be/td1ZvUuwirE?t=319

If he did not go with Sasha to international competitions, this does not mean that he did not work with her. I don’t understand these attempts to belittle him, especially if you don’t follow him very closely since you didn’t even know that he was working in the group until spring 2018.

 

[Skatesocs]

You can not like Aliona’s artistry or not think she’s musical, but saying she lacks multi directional skating and 1 foot skating is just factually incorrect. She is the only female skater doing difficult 1 foot skating featuring turns in both directions into her 3A. She also does the choctaw counter entry to her flips, and multi direction turns, opposite direction waltz jump/counter into her 2A with an opposite direction turn out of it. She has also done spirals, Ina bauers, split jumps etc into her jumps. Not sure where this criticism is coming from.

This much is true. But these constant transitions in her SP and LP hinder her ability to hold a proper line and alignment in her skating, and then they're portraying her as a graceful skater in her SP and the first third of her LP. I would like to see her Ina Bauer entry into her 2A back, and maybe she can train one into her 3A too.

 

[zounger]

For me best Aliona's program so far is the Adiós Nonino by Eteri, I don't think she got better program than that since then.

 

[Decoder]

To be even more objective, as I wrote above, Rozanov was with Sasha at all stages of Russian Cup:
Sochi https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE2Nzq_2w6Y
Moscow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JsWpxfZb_E
Novgorod https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td1ZvUuwirE

If he did not go with Sasha to international competitions, this does not mean that he did not work with her. I don’t understand these attempts to belittle him, especially if you don’t follow him very closely since you didn’t even know that he was working in the group until spring 2018.

Some logic here:

1. If young Sergei did not go with Sasha to international competitions, it does not mean that his work with Sasha was the key.

2. If young Sergei did go with Sasha to international competitions, it does not mean that his work with Sasha was the key.

3. If Old Sergei did not go with Sasha to international competitions, it does not mean he did not work closely with her.

I don't see people belittle young Sergei, on the contrary, I only see people giving too much credit for Eteri group's achievement to a relatively unknown trainer, who came to Eteri's group and learnt some secrets from the great mentors. I knew the young Sergei was with old Mishin for a while, before joining Eteri's group with Daniil's help. He is a good learner with a good career plan.

 

[GINO]

I don't see people belittle young Sergei.

When people write that he had zero to do with her first junior title while Sasha herself outlined Sergei's key role in that victory? Yes, belittle is a too polite word.

 

[SkateSkates]

For me best Aliona's program so far is the Adiós Nonino by Eteri, I don't think she got better program than that since then.

Yes this is her best program by far. It emphasizes her strengths and doesn’t have crammed in unnecessary movements that break up her flow and fluidity. I wish they would move in this direction for her programs and I hope since Eteri choreographed her LP together with Daniil this season it will be better.

 

[Skatesocs]

no video

What do you mean? It's from the official ISU page.

 

[plushyfan]

What do you mean? It's from the official ISU page.

" the video is not available"

 

[Skatesocs]

" the video is not available"

Use a VPN if it's blocked it's the movement she does after her flying camel spin in the GPF SP this season.

 

[Scott512]

Haters gonna hate
We’re just gonna shake

Shake what? There are too many answers and I'm too polite but you left the door open wide on that one.

 

[flanker]

When people write that he had zero to do with her first junior title while Sasha herself outlined Sergei's key role in that victory? Yes, belittle is a too polite word.

Or when people just groundlessly credit Rozanov far beyond his role in the team and with literally every merit of the team on the junior level, esp. the way where the two things exclude each other, attaching him the choreos he simply didn't do, tribute him for personal attendance at the events where he was not present at all, that's just lack of sense.

Once again, it is not belittling to say he didn't do what he didn't do. And while I already admitted I was wrong in one thing you have no problem with persisting on wrong claims.