2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[flanker]

If so many people are withdrawing from the first stage, they might allow them to enter a different stage. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't T/M withdraw from the first cup event? The fed might want these stars at nats and allow them to do so. definitely agree Rusfed's making the rules up as they go

T/M are listed. Panfilova/Rylov withdrew.

 

[lopsilceci]

If so many people are withdrawing from the first stage, they might allow them to enter a different stage. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't T/M withdraw from the first cup event? The fed might want these stars at nats and allow them to do so. definitely agree Rusfed's making the rules up as they go

No, T/M withdrew from the test skates because their free program wasn't ready yet and they wanted to prepare for the first cup event. They took the earliest assignments because they plan to go back to the states for Skate America.

 

[halulupu]

She popped/fell on three jumps in the FS and those URs were not in the eye of the beholder, not even for a biased panel, they were plain as day. Not to mention that she couldn‘t do half her spins because of her back. I really don‘t get how I can be more negative as a fan than ... not-fans but it is what it is. Her other competitors have quads and stable 3-3s, so idk how they‘re suddenly less of a threat.

Girl needs to water down her content, land at least 2a, and probably take some painkiller. Not ideal, but she is a fighter.

 

[silveruskate]

I don’t think she’ll fall lower than 4th, even if it will be a complete splatfest. Most of the other girls had no ice at all and just started getting back recently, I’d highly doubt they all have stable 3-3, or even plain 3-3. Most of them probably will be falling left and right.
who’s next in line after Frolova at this event? Sultanmagomedova? Her highest sp score will probs be 63-ish, on a good day. Judging by skate Canada even with all 3 jumping passes botched, Evgenia’s pcs will be 34 min, and total 62-65. In the free all others probably won’t crack 120-130, even clean. so I don’t think there’s a threat realistically. Even she somehow fails to qualify, Rusfed will come up with something to push her through. Tickets to Rusnats won’t sell themselves.

Agreed with every part until this. Although it might take 5 minutes to sell....maybe.

 

[Jontor]

I think Medvedeva should compete this weekend. Withdrawal is a bad idea because the cup stages will get tougher later on. She's already a bit lucky that Sinitsyna has withdrawn.

She needs a better skate than she had at Test Skates though, I tried to score her FS but gave up because it was just terrible. One 2A not done, one 3F singled, fall on the Lutz, underrotated all the other jumps, very weak spins, etc... I would say her free skate would not have scored more than 80-90 points tops, and that's with a huge PCS bump. Even if the others have a "bad skate" around 100 points, they will beat her. I wouldn't be surprised if all the girls we know, Shcherbakova, Khromykh, Frolova, Sultanmagomedova beats her. But if she can finish around 5th, it will be ok.

But as others have said, RusFed will probably find a way to get Medvedeva into RusNats somehow, even if she bombs at these Russian Cup events.

 

[Scott512]

It is really a mystery to me why people still watch TSL. There's never something good in their videos.

Let me make an observation like @Flanker:

People watch their videos and when they hear something blatantly stupid (which I guess is often because they don't know what they're talking about) about someone they like or someone they don't like with which they agree, they come to the forum and say "TSL said this, it makes a point, blah blah".

However, when they hear something they disagree with, then it's all "TSL are disrespectful, they gossip, they don't provide facts".

Just don't watch them. There's really no point in it, and sorry, but it gets a bit tiring reading how their videos are bad after every video is posted....

They are gadflies in my opinion.

Honestly? If I were Sasha's, I would definitely be pis... off. That was also my first thought when I heard about Alyona's move to Plushenko. And I was upset about it myself, too. I was happy to have Sasha as an unrestricted star in Plushenko's team, which Rozanov also and especially takes care of. The whole plan was just good and then Alyona follows and the unrest starts before the first season has even started. But what can you do? Sh.. happens and you have to see how to make the most of it.

I don't believe that Sasha and Aliona are having issues or there is tension between them.

Two and a half years ago Sasha skated on the same ice as evgenia Alina aliona Anna Maya Dasha and Kamilla. She only has Aliona. While it's a little disappointing they don't skate on the same ice at the same time this is the way Plushenko wants it. He remembers the Rivalry he had with Alexei but those two guys hated each other Sasha and aliona have at least a cordial relationship if not more. The videos of them together are lovely. Aliona is a beautiful skater she does a triple Axel the quad Queen is the quad Queen and they are very different as skaters. Sasha should not be upset that Aliona is there. What is plushenko supposed to do say no to the top lady skater last season? She fell into his lap and now he has the quad queen and the top ladies skater from last season. It's all good for PA.

And for anyone to complain that aliona took young Sergei how in the world does young Sergei not work with both skaters on the same day since they skate at separate times? He's not working hard like they are he can stay on the ice for 6 hours 8 hours a day no problem the girls obviously cannot.

I don't believe there is tension I don't believe there is anger from Sasha towards aliona in any way shape or form. We would all be very disappointed if that was the case. Evgenia and Alina can skate together for years on the same ice these two damn well better be able to too. Plushy will not want to put up any nonsense. What he and Alexei yagudin went through four years was very combative and not nice. That is not the situation with these two girls unless something has changed dramatically.

I think RusFed was wrong to make this “two Russian Cups needed for Nats“ rule. Half of their team is injured and withdrew from test skates because they rushed back into training. I know they need a system for skaters to qualify but I‘m not sure this one‘s the right one.

As for Zhenya... her situation‘s bad. Like, really bad. She needs to withdraw for her health but if she doesn‘t get to Nationals, she loses her place in the team and then what? I feel sorry for her. I don‘t see how she can realistically make it through a FS this week.

Zhenya will be okay.

Girl needs to water down her content, land at least 2a, and probably take some painkiller. Not ideal, but she is a fighter.

Who? Zhenya? We've got to get them time to get it together and by that I mean months. They literally had no off-season training.

 

[halulupu]

Of course zhenya. She needs to play a kostner. The cup stages are vital for her or the season is gone. The fed will not safe her this time by making some extra rules. They don't need her anymore

 

[TallyT]

As for "Kamila needs to emote better", we could agree on that,

Actually, she doesn't IF they play to her cool-to-cold emotional range and strengths and her young age. Whoever decided to give her Bolero of all music needs a slap upside the head.

 

[Scott512]

Of course zhenya. She needs to play a kostner. The cup stages are vital for her or the season is gone. The fed will not safe her this time by making some extra rules. They don't need her anymore

Wow please cut her some slack. Evgenia and everyone else is not in normal September forum because of a worldwide issue tht wouldn't let them skate for 4 months in normal trading conditions.

But I like your comparing her to Carolina. But I'm not sure Jenna will compete for Carolina type long.

 

[Jeanie19]

Evgenia has skated exhibition skates without any jumps and they are beautiful, 2019 Worlds exhibition to Experience is one of my favorites. Really pull a Kostner, and water down the jumps that are easy to do and skate like an exhibition.

 

[Baron Vladimir]

Actually, she doesn't IF they play to her cool-to-cold emotional range and strengths and her young age. Whoever decided to give her Bolero of all music needs a slap upside the head.

And what should be the right facial expression for Bolero, may i ask? Or what is the right way to skate to it? I mean, Torvill/Dean didn't use any facial expression while interpreted it. Caro used Kat Witt over expression on it which was also fine by many. There is no right or wrong way to interpret a musical piece, that's the point of being called an interpretation and not a replica of something.

 

[TallyT]

And would should be the right facial expression for Bolero, may i ask? From what i know, Torvill/Dean didn't use any facial expression while interpreted it.

Who said anything about facial expression?

 

[Baron Vladimir]

Who said anything about facial expression?

I already edited my post before you answered to be more clear. Body expression or any physical expression must exist. I personally like facial expression, but that doesn't mean all skaters should use it just because i like that. My question was why is it wrong to give Kamila to skate to Bolero? I don't see any logical argument to claim such a thing. Every skater should be allowed to skate to any music and interpret the music on its own way.

 

[Mathman]

It’s funny, whataboutism from what Ive read is thought to have originated as an Russian propaganda technique.

I dare say that this debating tactic is as old as dirt. If I remember rightly the famous example from the cold war is this one:

American politician: The Soviet Union suppresses people's human rights.

Soviet politician: Oh yeah? What about how black people are treated in the southern U.S.? Huh?! What about that?!

The reason that this is classified as a "logical fallacy" is that the second speaker did not respond with anything that either supports or denies the premiss (Claim: There are human right violations in Russia, yes or no?). Instead of addressing the question, the second speaker attacks the first speaker.

Human nature overrides the formalism of logical dialectic. Since we are regular human beings and not Stoic Philosophers of Classical Greece, we are not too much interested in the rules of logical argumentation.

 

[Mathman]

And what should be the right facial expression for Bolero, may i ask? Or what is the right way to skate to it? I mean, Torvill/Dean didn't use any facial expression while interpreted it.

I believe that Ravel himself wrote the music to represent the soulless droning on of (then) modern factories and to lament the sterility of the industrial revolution?

 

[Baron Vladimir]

I believe that Ravel himself wrote the music to represent the soulless droning on of (then) modern factories and to lament the sterility of the industrial revolution?

Cool:thumbsup: But maybe what Ravel thought is not the same how i personaly feel while i'm listening to it. What i would express with Bolero is monotony (which is a feeling close to that after all). I personaly find Caro interpretation of it very wrong, but she did interpret the song and thats the point - to express the music how you (or your coach/choreographer) feel it.

 

[Jontor]

I believe that Ravel himself wrote the music to represent the soulless droning on of (then) modern factories and to lament the sterility of the industrial revolution?

He did. And he also said about the piece "I've written only one masterpiece – Boléro. Unfortunately there's no music in it."

So this debate about how to interpret Boléro is quite hilarious really...

 

[TallyT]

I already edited my post before you answered to be more clear. Body expression or any physical expression must exist. I personally like facial expression, but that doesn't mean all skaters should use it just because i like that. My question was why is it wrong to give Kamila to skate Bolero? I don't see any logical argument to claim such a thing.

Agreed that some sort of expression should exist in any performance (it doesn't have to be obvious, some of the most powerful acting I have seen was a hairs-breath above barely discernible, Rylance anyone?) that seems to me to be a total non sequitur in this case.

Valieva has a unique, distantly icy emotional signature, they should play to it. Bolero - which as a dreamlike, playful, emotive, erotic work, I do love, even if the composer kind of didn't - does nothing for her.

 

[TallyT]

I believe that Ravel himself wrote the music to represent the soulless droning on of (then) modern factories and to lament the sterility of the industrial revolution?

This is true. He also said "'I have written a masterpiece - unfortunately there is no music in it."

 

[Jontor]

Of course zhenya. She needs to play a kostner. The cup stages are vital for her or the season is gone. The fed will not safe her this time by making some extra rules. They don't need her anymore

So you think that RusFed won't save her?