2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Scott512]

If the Fed is going to do something shady to save a skater why do it for a skater that's struggling to stay healthy even with extended breaks, and has struggled to have clean competitions for the last 2 years and is technically deficient to what's competitive on the World circuit?

She was on break for months with no skating this offseason so her back had time to rest and heal, but she managed in the few months between starting training and test skates to do something to re-injure it or exacerbate it. But the argument is now being made that she should get an exemption to Nationals and that magically with roughly 3 more months of rest/rehabbing that her back will be fine and won't get reinjured when she starts training again, that she'll also magically be able to get up to speed in those 3 months and be able to skate and beat skaters that have higher technical difficulty than her and will be making those elements more consistent over the time she's resting/rehabbing?

Resting your back for months is not strengthenthing it Amei. It could have been fine then when Zhenyas workload increases at an abnormal rate the back cant handle it. That makes sense. Zhenya isnt the only skater hurting. Coming back from covid is causing lots of injuries. And with the olympics supposedly 1.5 years ago I would think the Russian fed would not want to risk injuries with so many domestic events. Russias top 2 men the best theyve had in years are injured and missied test skates. Russia is great in ladies very good in pairs good again in dance and getting better in men. How can they not win the team gold in Bejiing? Injuries thats how.

What you said makes sense in a normal world with no covid. But covid changed everyhting. I would say the top 10 last year get locked in the rest of the sports get faught for among many fine skaters.

 

[dunffvanstorn]

If the Fed is going to do something shady to save a skater why do it for a skater that's struggling to stay healthy even with extended breaks, and has struggled to have clean competitions for the last 2 years and is technically deficient to what's competitive on the World circuit?

She was on break for months with no skating this offseason so her back had time to rest and heal, but she managed in the few months between starting training and test skates to do something to re-injure it or exacerbate it. But the argument is now being made that she should get an exemption to Nationals and that magically with roughly 3 more months of rest/rehabbing that her back will be fine and won't get reinjured when she starts training again, that she'll also magically be able to get up to speed in those 3 months and be able to skate and beat skaters that have higher technical difficulty than her and will be making those elements more consistent over the time she's resting/rehabbing?

Dear lord, you have no idea what you’re talking about. Have you ever seen an intervertebral disc regenerate with rest?

At least study before saying these things.

The type of injury Evgenia has is chronic and degenerative. The more she skates, the more she gets worse. The only permanent solutions would be: not skating at all or surgery.

This surgery has risks and would require at least 6 months of TOTAL rest. Not one foot on the ice. She would be left out of the National Team.

So, the only option she has is to keep hurting her back even more while she skates, doing lots of physical therapy, strengthening exercises so that her back muscles stabilize her vertebrae and pray not to get a flare that interferes with the nervous roots from the back. It’s really, really bad.

That’s why she doesn’t do a Biellmann anymore. That’s why some of her spins are getting worse. That’s why she performed the way she did at Test Skates.

 

[dunffvanstorn]

Resting your back for months is not strengthenthing it Amei. It could have been fine then when Zhenyas workload increases at an abnormal rate the back cant handle it. That makes sense. Zhenya isnt the only skater hurting. Coming back from covid is causing lots of injuries. And with the olympics supposedly 1.5 years ago I would think the Russian fed would not want to risk injuries with so many domestic events. Russias top 2 men the best theyve had in years are injured and missied test skates. Russia is great in ladies very good in pairs good again in dance and getting better in men. How can they not win the team gold in Bejiing? Injuries thats how.

What you said makes sense in a normal world with no covid. But covid changed everyhting. I would say the top 10 last year get locked in the rest of the sports get faught for among many fine skaters.

Amei talks about “back injuries that get better with rest” as if it was a medical entity.

For some posters here to understand:

Injuries that can get better with rest: fractures that don’t require surgery, muscle / tendon / ligament sprains that don’t require surgery.

Severe sprains, severe fractures, severe degenerations, spondylolysis and spondylolisthesis, herniated discs, knee degenerative injuries, knee tendon ruptures don’t improve with rest, the only possible treatment for them is surgery or palliative treatments and rehab with physiotherapy, electrotherapy and ultrasound therapy for analgesia, and muscle exercises. These things won’t make the injury go away, but will help the person live without having to do a surgery.

However, most athletes can’t afford to have surgery because of the recovery time and because of the risks of the surgery.

Then, athletes live with their injuries (injuries that would make us, mortals, stay in bed for weeks, or maybe months), treating them in a “palliative” way until they retire or decide to stop doing whatever made them have the injury or have the surgery.

What can protect the body against injuries? Muscles (see how Sasha Trusova never gets severely injured) and correct technique.

In short and in popular language, that’s it medically speaking.

 

[Scott512]

Amei talks about “back injuries that get better with rest” as if it was a medical entity.

For some posters here to understand:

Injuries that can get better with rest: fractures that don’t require surgery, muscle / tendon / ligament sprains that don’t require surgery.

Severe sprains, severe fractures, severe degenerations, spondylolysis and spondylolisthesis, herniated discs, knee degenerative injuries, knee tendon ruptures don’t improve with rest, the only possible treatment for them is surgery or palliative treatments and rehab with physiotherapy, electrotherapy and ultrasound therapy for analgesia, and muscle exercises. These things won’t make the injury go away, but will help the person live without having to do a surgery.

However, most athletes can’t afford to have surgery because of the recovery time and because of the risks of the surgery.

Then, athletes live with their injuries (injuries that would make us, mortals, stay in bed for weeks, or maybe months), treating them in a “palliative” way until they retire or decide to stop doing whatever made them have the injury or have the surgery.

What can protect the body against injuries? Muscles (see how Sasha Trusova never gets severely injured) and correct technique.

In short and in popular language, that’s it medically speaking.

It is amazing how Sasha has been the healthiest of skaters for year and her workload is massive. It was at TT and will be at PA. Muslce does indeed protect. I guess Zhenyas back could have gotten weaker not skating and training normally for 4 months.

 

[readernick]

It is amazing how Sasha has been the healthiest of skaters for year and her workload is massive. It was at TT and will be at PA. Muslce does indeed protect. I guess Zhenyas back could have gotten weaker not skating and training normally for 4 months.

It does. Unfortunately, not everyone is blessed with the natural ability for easy muscular development. Sasha is blessed in this regard. I do hope she doesn’t get injured.

 

[Jontor]

I don't think anyone has missed it at this point.

Medvedeva has now gone back to Tutberidze.

I think RusFed might have something to do with this. She is part of the National Team and is funded by RusFed. When they saw how badly she skated at Test Skates, they might have given her an ultimatum. Go back to Eteri or no funding. I don't think Eteri had any say in this either.

 

[Vandevska]

Okay so finally the site is up (and I kinda dislike it, sorry GSF ) but WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!! Zhenya returned to Eteri?!!!!! The biggest drama twist ever lol!

I'm not particularly happy about it, I worry that it might be too big of a workload for her body again, but just like when she switched to Brian, I support her and good luck.

And similarly to Edwin
#ThankYouBrianAndTracy
#ЖеняВперёд

 

[gsk8]

Okay so finally the site is up (and I kinda dislike it, sorry GSF )

It's different, but better. Make sure you update your custom title as it's all coded now

 

[Supernovaimplosion]

It's different, but better. Make sure you update your custom title as it's all coded now

Did you plan for your server update to happen during the most dramatic news of the season

 

[Skatesocs]

It's different, but better. Make sure you update your custom title as it's all coded now

It really is! I was wondering when it was going to happen when I saw what it was powered with. Good choice.

 

[kmw227]

Truly impeccable timing for the site to be shut down In all seriousness though, I wish Evgenia the best of luck and I sincerely hope that this works out for her.

 

[klena]

And the oskar goes to Russian FS drama “Medo returns”

 

[flanker]

It's different, but better.

I will need some time to get used to a new situation (the ambiguousness is a pure coincidence of course ).

 

[Vandevska]

It's different, but better. Make sure you update your custom title as it's all coded now

Yes, functionality-wise for sure. Gimme some time and I'll be 100% IN for this version

PS. Thank you for all the work. These 2 days without it have very dearly proved to me how much I need it

Aaaaand thanks for the info, gonna go update my bear support icons now

 

[starlight97]

Man I can't with these Russian Ladies.
After Evgenia's FS at the Test Skates I saw a blonde women standing with Eteri that looked like Evgenia's mother.. and Eteri was clapping at her messy as hell skate.
And I was like "Am I dreaming?" and just assumed it would be better not to ask about it here as to not embarrass myself if there was an obvious explanation for that weird situation haha but look at that. Right when we thought things couldn't get any crazier

 

[Vandevska]

Also I just realised that there are multiple reactions, so posting here is gonna become even more interesting

 

[Vandevska]

Man I can't with these Russian Ladies.
After Evgenia's FS at the Test Skates I saw a blonde women standing with Eteri that looked like Evgenia's mother.. and Eteri was clapping at her messy as hell skate.
And I was like "Am I dreaming?" and just assumed it would be better not to ask about it here as to not embarrass myself if there was an obvious explanation for that weird situation haha but look at that. Right when we thought things couldn't get any crazier

That wasn't her mother

 

[Ophelia]

And the oskar goes to Russian FS drama “Medo returns”

For now. I wonder if another Russian drama down the line will top it.

 

[Artemisa]

Did you plan for your server update to happen during the most dramatic news of the season

That's what a thought when I saw the news... let's breath before post ..

 

[Azikin]

Did you plan for your server update to happen during the most dramatic news of the season

To offset the drama, obviously..