2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Baron Vladimir]

Anna is sometimes able to hide a step-out so well that you barely notice that, I guess then it should be considered as a mistake that deosn't impact the program.

Yes. Of course for some judges that may impact the programme and they will deduct in PCS. For some it doesn't and in practice it shouldn't if the whole programme is the same in terms of transitions, body movements, skating patterns and music interpretation with or without a mistake. So 'recovery from the mistake' may be more important for the judging of PCS, rather than 'mistake' itself.

 

[Resa]

As for me, I think it's tricky. Figure skating is not speed skating or pole vaulting. A truely masterful skater can create thre illusion of windswept speed across th ice, and of graceful leaps that defy gravity. If you put a tape masure or stopwatch to them, they might not really be any faster, higher or stronger than another skater, but the performence carries all before it.

I think the place where AI REALLY should come into judging is the counting of the revolutions. That should be relatively easy to do because there is a force impact upon jumping and landig where the machine could use that as counting points

 

[Resa]

Is Shcherbakova skating AGAIN with basically zero competition at her next Cup of Russia event? WOW. Just WOW. While Kostornaya, Trusova and Valieva have to compete with each other... The gold medals are being given like candies to Shcherbakova.

I would say that Tuktamysheva can challenge her.

 

[anonymoose_au]

I would say that Tuktamysheva can challenge her.

I hope so! Although I was a bit sad to hear that apparently they're changing her costumes, I really liked both of them at the test skates (weird skin coloured fabric excepted in the SP one). Hopefully the new ones will be cool.

I wonder if Liza will try a quad...depending on the other competition there it might be a good time to test it out.

 

[Edwin]

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Kostornaya, Trusova amongst the best newcomer,
Plyushchenko amongst the Golden Oldies,
etc.

 

[FelineFairy]

Hi all, it's my first post on the forum, although I've been reading several threads for quite some time (maybe two years?) I'm just a fan of FS without deep knowledge, that's why I don't dare to participate in technical discussions. But when it comes to cultural differences, I'm a specialist: I had been teaching Intercultural Communication to future interpreters at University for about 20 years before I retired.
Yesterday, the discussion of smiles and facial expressions caught my attention. The difference between some cultures where the smile is an essential component of politeness (the American culture is an example) and others where the smile is purely a reflection of positive emotions and people shouldn't smile when they are serious (the Russian culture is an example) makes people think that their counterparts are "gloomy/rude" or "hypocritical/insincere". Neither type of behaviour can be judged as good or bad, it is as it is. To overcome the habit of "always smiling" or "not smiling when you are serious" one must be trained, when we speak of skaters, trained in performance. Thus, IMHO, an immovable face of a Russian skater just shows that he/she needs more performance coaching, and an eternally smiling face of an American skater means absolutely the same. In general, it has nothing to do with a sunny or gloomy personality.

 

[Edwin]

Welcome FelineFairy

... isn't there a phrase ' a cheap smile ' in the English language? I assume the idiom and cultural connection is mostly North American on this board

 

[Edwin]

Infection records are being broken every day.

Moscow school children in 6th-11th will have remote education until November 1, this concerns half a million children!

Коронавирус. Частичное возобновление работы школ

Подходят к концу двухнедельные каникулы. Посоветовавшись с педагогами и санитарными врачами, мы приняли следующие решения. Подробнее в новом посте

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with all kinds of measures to reduce contact moments

probably means more children's events in figure skating will get cancelled or postponed.

 

[JazzUp]

"The stand-off between Plyushenko and Tutberidze goes to another level"

p.s. it's Moris Kvitelashvili from TeamTut, for those unfamiliar

 

[lesnar001]

Is Shcherbakova skating AGAIN with basically zero competition at her next Cup of Russia event? WOW. Just WOW. While Kostornaya, Trusova and Valieva have to compete with each other... The gold medals are being given like candies to Shcherbakova.

Anna Scherbakova lives rent free in your head.

 

[Edwin]

When single fire isn't enough, one can always switch to the heavy guns: https://www.instagram.com/p/CGUQb6npiBm/


Moriskvit
Received basic safe gun handling skills.
Shot from two types of pistols and one carbine (tactical unit Roni)
I did like it very much! I will definitely go again

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by posting this kind of stuff you run the risk of photomontage of 'enemy' heads into the target discs.

 

[Jeanie19]

Hi all, it's my first post on the forum, although I've been reading several threads for quite some time (maybe two years?) I'm just a fan of FS without deep knowledge, that's why I don't dare to participate in technical discussions. But when it comes to cultural differences, I'm a specialist: I had been teaching Intercultural Communication to future interpreters at University for about 20 years before I retired.
Yesterday, the discussion of smiles and facial expressions caught my attention. The difference between some cultures where the smile is an essential component of politeness (the American culture is an example) and others where the smile is purely a reflection of positive emotions and people shouldn't smile when they are serious (the Russian culture is an example) makes people think that their counterparts are "gloomy/rude" or "hypocritical/insincere". Neither type of behaviour can be judged as good or bad, it is as it is. To overcome the habit of "always smiling" or "not smiling when you are serious" one must be trained, when we speak of skaters, trained in performance. Thus, IMHO, an immovable face of a Russian skater just shows that he/she needs more performance coaching, and an eternally smiling face of an American skater means absolutely the same. In general, it has nothing to do with a sunny or gloomy personality.

Great first post, post often.

 

[readernick]

Welcome FelineFairy

... isn't there a phrase ' a cheap smile ' in the English language? I assume the idiom and cultural connection is mostly North American on this board

No, I don't believe such a phrase is commonly used in North America. As the FelineFairy (Welcome!) explained, smiling is a form of politeness. ( having lived all around the world, I would say smiling is a form of politeness in many countries outside of NA including most of South America, Southeast Asia, Japan and Taiwan where I currently reside).

Smiling for the benefit of others is generally seen as a positive thing. There are many English idioms that extol this as a virtue. ("grin and bear it"etc.) People do it to make the other person feel good.Just as we might open a door for someone or give up our seat on the subway.

North Americans do say, "insincere smile" which means smiling with the hope of influencing others rather than with positive motives. We can also say that someone has a "plastic smile" but that implies they are hiding their genuine emotions when they really should be honest.

In the same way that Europeans think Americans smile "cheaply," many other areas of the world think failing to smile shows a lack of politeness. Neither view is right or wrong, they are just different.

 

[plushyfan]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CGSg2JUK_hy/
the new rink...it is going to be ready for his birthday..3 November

 

[dorispulaski]

Welcome FelineFairy

... isn't there a phrase ' a cheap smile ' in the English language? I assume the idiom and cultural connection is mostly North American on this board

I have not heard "cheap smile" as a common expression but it is a big country. Maybe it is used somewhere.

This song, covered by Sia, makes it clear how smiles are viewed in the USA.
"You Are Never Fully Dressed Without a Smile."

Sia - You're Never Fully Dressed Without a Smile (2014 Film Version)

Get “You’re Never Fully Dressed Without A Smile” on iTunes now: http://smarturl.it/AnnieSiaSmile?IQid=yt From the Annie Original Motion Picture Soundtrack ou...

youtu.be

If you are a woman, especially a nice looking woman, you will even be harassed by random people because you are not smiling.

Women and Smiling

www.theatlantic.com

 

[flanker]

There is nocheap smile exprrssion.

This song, covered by Sia, makes it clear how smiles are viewed in the USA

Sia - You're Never Fully Dressed Without a Smile (2014 Film Version)

Get “You’re Never Fully Dressed Without A Smile” on iTunes now: http://smarturl.it/AnnieSiaSmile?IQid=yt From the Annie Original Motion Picture Soundtrack ou...

youtu.be

If you are a woman, especially a nice looking woman, you will be harassed by random people because you are not smiling.

Women and Smiling

www.theatlantic.com

I'm a man and many times I was told I'm "not smiling enough"...

 

[dorispulaski]

Hopefully, she is in second place after the short program after one of my favourites Anastasia Gubanova. I hope Gubanova does well enough in the stage cups this year to qualify for nationals and break through with an international assignment next year

Welcome to Golden Skate, RatedPG.

I hope we will see Gubanova at another event. She is a lovely skater!

 

[anonymoose_au]

I'm a man and many times I was told I'm "not smiling enough"...

That is interesting. Can't say I've ever told a man or anyone else to smile more, but it certainly is expected on some places and contexts. For example if you're serving customers at a shop - do Russian sales people smile as a rule?

Of course smiling during a skate would depend on the program, you definitely shouldn't smile during "Paint It Black" or "Bolero". Sometimes I find it odd to see a skater not smiling after a really amazing skate, but hey maybe they just don't smile a lot or it hasn't sunk in or they're just puffed!

 

[Edwin]

Nugumanova's free skating run from today:

 

[NAOTMAA]

Anna is sometimes able to hide a step-out so well that you barely notice that, I guess then it should be considered as a mistake that doesn't impact the program.

She did exactly that on her double axel at her first cup event (she still got negative GOE for it). She also had like two other little stumbles as well. I think one heading into a jump and another during footwork but was able to quickly move on as if nothing happened. She's becoming quite an expert at that