2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[Shayuki]

I would like to add that I wouldn't underestimate Sofia.. she may not be on Trusova's level but who is.. and she's not even JGP eligible yet..

Yeah, I wouldn't say I'm underestimating her. But in comparison to Veronika Zhilina, her progress's stalled somewhat in my opinion. She still has the potential to jump several different quads but who knows...

After Veronika Zhilina and Akatieva are junior eligible there's not really anyone close behind them who I'd consider more talented than them, which is different from what's been happening for many years now, "just wait for next year when..." like "just wait for next year when Akatieva and Zhilina are junior eligible".

 

[Edwin]

never say never in Russian figure skating. The talent pool is immense, and with more money come more rinks, more academies, more chances

 

[kolyadafan2002]

Someone doing something first doesn't make them most talented, it makes them the... second to do something, in Trusova's case. As Shcherbakova jumped a quad before her. It's in general weird to see people say Trusova started this due to that. Shcherbakova had a quad in late 2016.

Zhilina landed 2 different quads and 3A before she was 12 years of age(at 3 different quads now), and she has textbook technique on just about everything.

Eteri said she did it first. And she asked first. Everybody's extrapolating this sherbakova myth from one Instagram post... Because sherbakova was posted before. Trusova also jumped in competition before sherbakova.


Zhillina was taught best technqiue from young age and had more attention from younger age. She is talanted, but it's hard to compare two totally different coaching methods.


Sofia is talanted, but at junior I can see her technique is s bit more iffy than Trusovas junior technique and doesn't have the same rotational ability at Trusova.

 

[Edwin]

Akat'yeva also seems to be in a growth spurt.

Isn't she scheduled to compete next weekend in the 3rd stage?

 

[Alex65]

Someone doing something first doesn't make them most talented, it makes them the... second to do something, in Trusova's case. As Shcherbakova jumped a quad before her. It's in general weird to see people say Trusova started this due to that. Shcherbakova had a quad in late 2016.

Zhilina landed 2 different quads and 3A before she was 12 years of age(at 3 different quads now), and she has textbook technique on just about everything.

How easy it is to forget what you don’t want to remember) More recently, GINO cited facts here that Anna's and Sasha's quads were published on the same day, almost simultaneously. But you have Sasha again became the second. Why? Anna has many merits, which belong to her undeniably. No need to attribute too much. That which was not.

 

[ali0125]

Talking about young talents, don't forget about Sofia Samodelkina, who can jump 3A, quad at fairly young age too.

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[katymay]

Talking about young talents, don't forget about Sofia Samodelkina, who can jump 3A, quad at fairly young age too.

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Sofia hit a huge growth spurt, and yet, I think she is stronger. My only issue with Sofia is she skates 'small'-she frequently looks down at the ice, especially on jump approaches. The competition between the two Sofia's, and later Veronika-will be epic. (Not to mention Valieva)

 

[Skatesocs]

The reason im not sure about Kamilla is that to my eyes she does this both on the ones she hits and the ones that get a terrible tilt so somehow she manages to get it to work sometimes but not at others.

There that's what I'm confused about with the 4T. I can only wonder that kolyadafan has it right, and she just does it slightly differently between different attempts while focusing more on the jump, and that works for her. I do hope (and think) she'll stabilize as she gets more comfortable with the jumps (she's still a very young athlete, and something like the 4T is very hard to master).

 

[Shayuki]

How easy it is to forget what you don’t want to remember) More recently, GINO cited facts here that Anna's and Sasha's quads were published on the same day, almost simultaneously. But you have Sasha again became the second. Why? Anna has many merits, which belong to her undeniably. No need to attribute too much. That which was not.

"Forget what you don't want to remember"?

First of all, when it comes to those quad videos, Trusova's "quad" was very UR, while Anna's wasn't. Trusova didn't rotate it for most of next season either, only towards the end. Anna on the other hand did a 4T+3T combo, indicating she was far more comfortable with the jump. Do you want to guess when the first time Trusova did a quad + 3T combo was...? Hint, it wasn't in 2017 spring like Anna's, or even close. Anna even did a 4T-3T-3Lo combo, in 2017 spring(3Lo UR).

Second, TAT was talking about a Tutberidze girl jumping quads during commentary in late 2016 which is before Trusova even was practicing quad(She started with practicing triple axel). So this sounds more like you forgetting what you don't want to remember, not me.


As I've said numerous times in the past, the only reason Trusova became recognized as the "revolutionary quad girl" is because Anna got injured in 2017 summer. Otherwise, she'd be known as "that other quad girl" or something similar. Whatever people think of Anna right now, I'd say. 3 years since injury and Anna still hasn't regained her 4T properly.

 

[nussnacker]

Sofia hit a huge growth spurt, and yet, I think she is stronger. My only issue with Sofia is she skates 'small'-she frequently looks down at the ice, especially on jump approaches. The competition between the two Sofia's, and later Veronika-will be epic. (Not to mention Valieva)

That’s what surprises me. It seems to be common for Davydov girls, Liza and Anna have/had that trait of looking down too. Does he teach them to, I wonder?

 

[Fluture]

As I've said numerous times in the past, the only reason Trusova became recognized as the "revolutionary quad girl" is because Anna got injured in 2017 summer.

And if Evgenia hadn‘t gotten injured, she‘d likely have won the OGM. So? That doesn‘t make her more of an Olympic Champion or Alina less of one.

These what-if scenarios are so nonsensical. Believe me, I understand them, I‘ve gone through my fair share of “but..but...if only!!!“ moments myself as a Medvedeva fan. Still, in the end, you have no idea whether your believed version would even be true or not. Who knows whether Anna would have landed a quad earlier than Sasha if she hadn‘t been injured? No one and we never will either. Practice videos don‘t have to mean anything at all. Remember Aliona‘s 3A, and how that difficult entry too indicated how “comfortable“ she was with the jump? Well, it took her two seasons to finally jump it. Could very well have been the same for Anna. Or not. She would have had a chance, sure. But it wouldn‘t have been a guarantee, no matter how much you like to think that.

Anna has many merits and a lot of talent, you don’t have to put down her competitors to raise her up. In fact, it‘s not only disrespectful to Sasha but Anna as well.

 

[renebaebae]

Maybe, but I can see problems there...nobody likes it when a skater gets PCS purely because their tech is good. I mean it might not bother Sasha, but I could imagine her getting a lot of criticism by going that path. I mean she already does! Imagine how bad it would get if she became World or Olympic champion with no noticeable attention paid to the artistic side.

That's exactly how Alina got her PCS points and won Olympics and she has lots of fans so I don't think that would be a problem for Trusova.

 

[anonymoose_au]

That's exactly how Alina got her PCS points and won Olympics and she has lots of fans so I don't think that would be a problem for Trusova.

Hmm I don't know, I mean I feel like people didn't see such a big difference between Zhenya's PCS and Alina's PCS, it wouldn't be like Sasha winning over Aliona K for example, Aliona been widely regarded as a very artistic skater with high quality jumps as well. Kamila too. I think if both of them skated to their absolute best a lot of fans would think they should win, even if Sasha did five quads - especially if she paid no attention to artistry at all.

 

[silveruskate]

"Forget what you don't want to remember"?

First of all, when it comes to those quad videos, Trusova's "quad" was very UR, while Anna's wasn't. Trusova didn't rotate it for most of next season either, only towards the end. Anna on the other hand did a 4T+3T combo, indicating she was far more comfortable with the jump. Do you want to guess when the first time Trusova did a quad + 3T combo was...? Hint, it wasn't in 2017 spring like Anna's, or even close. Anna even did a 4T-3T-3Lo combo, in 2017 spring(3Lo UR).

Second, TAT was talking about a Tutberidze girl jumping quads during commentary in late 2016 which is before Trusova even was practicing quad(She started with practicing triple axel). So this sounds more like you forgetting what you don't want to remember, not me.


As I've said numerous times in the past, the only reason Trusova became recognized as the "revolutionary quad girl" is because Anna got injured in 2017 summer. Otherwise, she'd be known as "that other quad girl" or something similar. Whatever people think of Anna right now, I'd say. 3 years since injury and Anna still hasn't regained her 4T properly.

Sympathy for Anna's injury, but Sasha has landed 4 internationally ratified quads while Anna has landed 1. That is why she's the Quad Queen.

 

[Edwin]

Kostornaya's ISU profile has been updated with the latest info: https://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00102764.htm

Music Short Program as of season 2020/2021

No Time to Die by Billie Eilish You Should See Me With a Crown by Billie Eilish

Music Free Skating / Free Dance as of season 2020/2021

Wayward Sisters (from "Nocturnal Animals" soundtrack) by Abel Korzeniowski Dance for Me Wallis (from "W.E." soundtrack) by Abel Korzeniowski The Cheek of Night (from "Romeo and Juliet" soundtrack) by Abel Korzeniowski

Division in training staff between her and Trusova also confirmed.

Alyona's height is now listed as 155 cm
Trusova's as 158 cm
Shcherbakova's as 154 cm,

so Anna is smallest

 

[nussnacker]

Kostornaya's ISU profile has been updated with the latest info: https://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00102764.htm

Music Short Program as of season 2020/2021

No Time to Die by Billie Eilish You Should See Me With a Crown by Billie Eilish

Music Free Skating / Free Dance as of season 2020/2021

Wayward Sisters (from "Nocturnal Animals" soundtrack) by Abel Korzeniowski Dance for Me Wallis (from "W.E." soundtrack) by Abel Korzeniowski The Cheek of Night (from "Romeo and Juliet" soundtrack) by Abel Korzeniowski

Division in training staff between her and Trusova also confirmed.

Alyona's height is now listed as 155 cm
Trusova's as 158 cm
Shcherbakova's as 154 cm,

so Anna is smallest

Nice pick by Shae! Sounds promising!

perhaps they forgot to update Anna’s data? She looked taller to me visually. I guess we’ll find out when the girls will compete against one another at Rostelecom

 

[karina17]

Kostornaya's ISU profile has been updated with the latest info: https://www.isuresults.com/bios/isufs00102764.htm

Music Short Program as of season 2020/2021

No Time to Die by Billie Eilish You Should See Me With a Crown by Billie Eilish

Music Free Skating / Free Dance as of season 2020/2021

Wayward Sisters (from "Nocturnal Animals" soundtrack) by Abel Korzeniowski Dance for Me Wallis (from "W.E." soundtrack) by Abel Korzeniowski The Cheek of Night (from "Romeo and Juliet" soundtrack) by Abel Korzeniowski

Division in training staff between her and Trusova also confirmed.

Alyona's height is now listed as 155 cm
Trusova's as 158 cm
Shcherbakova's as 154 cm,

so Anna is smallest

If I remember correctly, Anna's height has been listed as 154cm since her junior debut - I don't think they're ever planning on updating it

If they're the podium at RusNats or Rostelecom, we'll know!

 

[flanker]

That's exactly how Alina got her PCS points and won Olympics and she has lots of fans so I don't think that would be a problem for Trusova.

Also many haters who still can't cope with her score two years later

As for the titles "most talented", "quad queen", first...

Does it truly matter in this regard? The important thing is what they show at the competition in the end. After all, the first one to do a quad in a competition was Jozef Sabovčík, so I guess he's the most talented of all (attempt was originally ratified as clean but marked invalid several weeks later, because he wasn't canadian ).

 

[plushyfan]

Someone posted on Twitter Daniil wasn't happy when Medvedeva went back to the Eteri team. No one talked about it with him thus he doesn't want to work with Zhenya. What do you know about it? There were a Rusian and an english text. I don't find that post right now.

 

[flanker]

Someone posted on Twitter Daniil wasn't happy when Medvedeva went back to the Eteri team. No one talked about it with him thus he doesn't want to work with Zhenya. What do you know about it? There were a Rusian and an english text. I don't find that post right now.

I think no thing, I'll wait what TSL thinks