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well, in retrospect she made the smartest choice. Seeing how everyone was rushed back to be in top shape after an extended break, with many getting injured (some like Viktoria Sinitsina quite seriously) or infected with the virus (with who knows what kind of long lasting health implications), all for the sake of some Cup stages, makes me think it wasn't actually worth it. Looking at cases growing world wide, doesn't make me hopeful Europeans or Worlds will take place. So all of this sacrifice just for Russian Nationals, which don't make you qualify anywhere?
Rusfed really ended up shooting themselves in the foot with the whole Cup qualification thing. So many of their top skaters ended up injured or sick and missing training time even more, it really makes you question RusFed as a whole. I thought they were somewhat a smart organization, which has people thinking strategically, but this ended up as a total mess. They should've given the opportunity of a voluntary participation at cup stages. This way athletes that needed competitions would have that option on the table, and those who weren't ready yet could've skipped and take it slow. But clearly they optimistically hoped coronavirus will be eradicated by autumn.
Personally, I think it was a good decision because I doubt worlds will even happen, as you said. But I honestly think there's a possibility that the 2022 olympics won't even happen. So there's no point to hustle to qualify to Rnats to qualify for worlds that won't happen to gain spots for the olympics that may not even happen
 
Yeah I thought the Angel was Kostornaia but then I remembered she's skating to You Should See Me In A Crown so I have no idea any more :LOL:
 
as excited as i am that Kamila has a 3A, i'm still concerned about her technique lasting her. she has a very different axel technique than Aliona, more similar to Lipnitskaya- the jump comes from snappy hips instead of following through completely with the free leg. it looks easy for her, i just don't know if it's sustainable as she grows and goes through puberty. she lands it on an inside edge like she does her lutz combos and 4T.
Trusova's got a nice free leg on her axel too. You can really see her step up in the slow-mo of her 3A attempt at the last cup. I think her problem might be the opposite, not snapping in fast enough at the start. But it's nice because it makes the jump big and when she does land it (e.g. in practice) it gives it that 'wow' factor like Kostornaia's 3A (although Kostornaia has the transitions and speed going in). Maybe Trusova's axel technique base is from Volkov, because I noticed Artem Kovalev has a nice big 3A.
Kamila's looks a bit like Alysa Liu's 3A, not much right leg involvement.
Oddly, I saw Rika live once and didn't find her 3A particularly big. She's got a fairly normal-looking axel takeoff though.
Tuktamysheva's axel is a different beast altogether. I have no idea how she makes it work while barely using her arms.
 
"Forget what you don't want to remember"?

First of all, when it comes to those quad videos, Trusova's "quad" was very UR, while Anna's wasn't. Trusova didn't rotate it for most of next season either, only towards the end. Anna on the other hand did a 4T+3T combo, indicating she was far more comfortable with the jump. Do you want to guess when the first time Trusova did a quad + 3T combo was...? Hint, it wasn't in 2017 spring like Anna's, or even close. Anna even did a 4T-3T-3Lo combo, in 2017 spring(3Lo UR).

Second, TAT was talking about a Tutberidze girl jumping quads during commentary in late 2016 which is before Trusova even was practicing quad(She started with practicing triple axel). So this sounds more like you forgetting what you don't want to remember, not me.


As I've said numerous times in the past, the only reason Trusova became recognized as the "revolutionary quad girl" is because Anna got injured in 2017 summer. Otherwise, she'd be known as "that other quad girl" or something similar. Whatever people think of Anna right now, I'd say. 3 years since injury and Anna still hasn't regained her 4T properly.
Your desire to create an alternative reality cannot refute the facts and eyewitness testimony. Polina Tsurskaya, who was at that time in the Tutberidze group, directly said in her interview: https://www.sovsport.ru/figure/articles/2:910333

– В чьем исполнении вы впервые увидели четверной вживую?
– Это была Сашка Трусова.
– Как все отреагировали?
– Конечно, все были в восторге. Аплодировали ей, подъезжали, поздравляли.
– А Этери Георгиевна?
– И она тоже аплодировала. Такое не каждый день происходит. Это было как полет в космос. Девочка! В таком юном возрасте!

Google translation:
In whose performance did you first see the quad live?
- It was Sashka Trusova.
- How did everyone react?
- Of course, everyone was delighted. They applauded her, drove up, congratulated her.
- And Eteri Georgievna?
- And she also applauded. This doesn't happen every day. It was like flying into space. Girl! At such a young age!

There is no doubt that Polina is unbiased and honest.
 
I think it is absolutely bogus to try to take an accomplishment away from Sasha because of something that could have happened. Who knows whether or not Anna would've landed the quad before Sasha? Practice videos are not the same as competition. And even if you strongly believe that she would have, that doesn't change the fact that she was injured and Sasha landed the quads first.
 
I think it is absolutely bogus to try to take an accomplishment away from Sasha because of something that could have happened. Who knows whether or not Anna would've landed the quad before Sasha? Practice videos are not the same as competition. And even if you strongly believe that she would have, that doesn't change the fact that she was injured and Sasha landed the quads first.

I don't particularly care about the "first to land xyz", in reality they both have a few of those to their names. What annoyed me last season was commentators acting as if Trusova was the lone wolf doing quads and changing the technical landscape of ladies skating like somehow she came onto the senior circuit before Shcherbakova.
 
well, in retrospect she made the smartest choice. Seeing how everyone was rushed back to be in top shape after an extended break, with many getting injured (some like Viktoria Sinitsina quite seriously) or infected with the virus (with who knows what kind of long lasting health implications), all for the sake of some Cup stages, makes me think it wasn't actually worth it. Looking at cases growing world wide, doesn't make me hopeful Europeans or Worlds will take place. So all of this sacrifice just for Russian Nationals, which don't make you qualify anywhere?
Rusfed really ended up shooting themselves in the foot with the whole Cup qualification thing. So many of their top skaters ended up injured or sick and missing training time even more, it really makes you question RusFed as a whole. I thought they were somewhat a smart organization, which has people thinking strategically, but this ended up as a total mess. They should've given the opportunity of a voluntary participation at cup stages. This way athletes that needed competitions would have that option on the table, and those who weren't ready yet could've skipped and take it slow. But clearly they optimistically hoped coronavirus will be eradicated by autumn.
What happened to Sinitsina?

You make a pertinent point about how these phenomenal athletes were rushed back into top shape many of them not ready for it.
 
Didn't Artur's coach say from the beginning that he wouldn't participate in the Cup stages because of this injury?

Some other members of the national team will probably not be able to fulfill the 2 stages requirement for different reasons... Medvedeva, Sinitsyna, Vikita, also, seems like at every stage one different russian pair tests covid positive or gets an injury and has to withdraw.
At this rate, I'm sure RusFed will have to just allow national team members to compete at Nationals without having skated at two stages.
This better happen because the force these great skaters to get out there and compete at these Russian cup stages like their menu Nationals is crazy when nobody had a normal offseason of training and skating. This is not what they need 15 months before the next Winter Olympics.
 
Zagitova abstaining from starts won't hold up forever, whatever the reason.

Someday, a retirement must be announced.

It would be unfair to keep a spot on the national team occupied without using it for its intended purpose.

I hope Zagitova's management realises this, before sentiments turn.
teresting point but it's not just a Lena who is on the national team and not competing in the cup events.

If there is a way for them to have a normal next season in figure skating the season leading into the Olympics I would think the Federation would want a commitment from Alina. But I can't blame any figure skater for not competing this year or doing something else because this year is scaring the hell out of a lot of them. And it's obviously been hard for many of these great skaters to get back into top form with a very abnormal off-season. Aliona still does not have her triple axle back because of covid-19 and not being able to train.

It's frustrating not seeing everybody but I understand it and accept it.
 
I don't particularly care about the "first to land xyz", in reality they both have a few of those to their names. What annoyed me last season was commentators acting as if Trusova was the lone wolf doing quads and changing the technical landscape of ladies skating like somehow she came onto the senior circuit before Shcherbakova.
I don't know which commenters you're talking about because as far as I know, Tara and Johnny didn't comment like that, nor did Tarasova. I mean Sasha was the first to land two quads, first to really push off this quad revolution (at least that's how it looks). You shouldn't take that away just because Anna was injured. That's not only unfair towards both of them, but also really pulling at strings to try to pull down objective accomplishments to throw "what-ifs" and "could haves" on another skater's resume.
 
I don't know which commenters you're talking about because as far as I know, Tara and Johnny didn't comment like that, nor did Tarasova. I mean Sasha was the first to land two quads, first to really push off this quad revolution (at least that's how it looks). You shouldn't take that away just because Anna was injured. That's not only unfair towards both of them, but also really pulling at strings to try to pull down objective accomplishments to throw "what-ifs" and "could haves" on another skater's resume.

To quote Tara: Its truly unbelievable watching her, I have never hands down ever seen 1 skater advance the sport technically in the way that Alexandra Trusova has, hands down no one.

If you want to watch the video for yourself: https://youtu.be/A3be4_3eaHU?t=295
 
To quote Tara: Its truly unbelievable watching her, I have never hands down ever seen 1 skater advance the sport technically in the way that Alexandra Trusova has, hands down no one.

If you want to watch the video for yourself: https://youtu.be/A3be4_3eaHU?t=295
Okay but that's just Tara. Have you heard the way she talked about Maria Sotskova in the 2016-17 season? Those comments were really infuriating I have to say. But the thing is, who landed the first quad in recent years? Sasha. Whether or not her 4S and 4T at Jr Worlds were the real thing that topped off the revolution or if it was the addition of Anna will probably never be answered. But we think of the first action as the defining moment. To give her the credit for everything that follows is obviously way too naive, but she did manage to go from one barely rotated quad with a literal 10% success rate to a very consistent 4T and an arsenal of 5 quads and the want to do a 5 quad program + 3A. That change is very revolutionary for me. (Again, I'm not saying Anna is worse in any way, as the matter of fact I do disagree with any statement that says Sasha pushed the quad revolution more than Anya because that can't be proven, but it is an interpretation and one that can be backed up by the Wikipedia page for quad).
 
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