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It is what it is. This sport is chance dependent. The alternative is the popularity of the sport collapsing, which is far sadder. I am happy to watch Russian national competitions, and any other national competitions as well to see the skaters who don’t make the international exits in junior or senior groups.
 
You name the other countries but they're just not on the same level not even close with Russia in ladies figure skating. Of course there are outstanding ladies and the Juniors and seniors outside of Russia. There's just not a lot of them in the one discipline like Russia has with the girls in the ladies. The second-tier Russian ladies are better than almost every country's top three.

you make an interesting point that it doesn't really matter if it takes 15 years to make it or 10 years to make it. I agree with that. The problem is the ladies in Russia don't have 10 years let alone 15 years. Girls and young ladies I've enjoyed skate for Russia over the years are now on the outside looking in.

Remember years ago how fans were saying why can't Russia do well in ladies figure skating? Now this. EG
changed everything.
Wow. Today, I learned, Rika, Satoko, Wakaba, Kaori, Mana, Tamoe, Marin, Yuhana, etc are "not a lot" and "not even close" to the "same level" as Russian ladies. Japan has as many top ladies as Russia does and it's also a bloodbath to qualify for the international spots. Wow, today I learned that "second-tier Russian ladies" would beat this veritable army. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE Russian ladies but Japan also has incredible, outstanding talents and a very deep women's field.
 
At the moment, yeah, but it’s only unusual for the moment. And, in ladies skating in particular, that technical advantage is more readily negated by the PCSs for the traditional elements. Japanese and Koreans would catch up in the next couple of years on TES, and Americans would as well, if they are willing to move on from their idea of what ladies’ skating should be.
 
I believe Liza, Evgenia, and Stanislava might disagree with you - all are 20+. The difference is depth. And keep in mind that Bradie and Mariah have both lost to Alysa Liu twice, US's own junior phenom and the reigning two-time US national champion (being ineligible due to being too young before.)
What depth? Where is this depth in Russian ladies skating everybody is talking about? Every year one or two new promissing faces showing up means nothing. It's just a lot of hype about nothing. People think about past promissing skaters and their perception says "huh, it's so crowded there". No it's not. Everybody is beatable. At this moment, there's more depth in Japanese skating :shrug:
 
What depth? Where is this depth in Russian ladies skating everybody is talking about? Every year one or two new promissing faces showing up means nothing. It's just a lot of hype about nothing. People think about past promissing skaters and their perception says "huh, it's so crowded there". No it's not. Everybody is beatable. At this moment, there's more depth in Japanese skating :shrug:
That's EXACTLY what depth means haha. That there are many good female skaters and that many can win on any given day. Who exactly are the promising skaters that "mean nothing" and are all "hype"?? haha
 
My comment was just the layout in general. It'd be ideal if she backloaded the program, but again, I don't know what conditioning goes into that. It just seems like there should be at least one young Mishin skater who could do that. As for the combinations, I don't like seeing Sofia saying a 3A is coming when she's still putting 3-2s in her programs. The strategy just seems misguided? And if not misguided, then I am missing something because Mishin's program arrangements always seem different compared to even other non-TT/AoP camps.
If you still doubt Mishin look at all his current men's programs. They have some level of backloading and are successful. 3-3 is less technically challenging than 3A, but takes a huge amount of effort and this may be factored in especially when skaters get older.
 
Gleikhengauz and Shcherbakova have been interviewed by TASS in Sochi. But no complete transcript so far has surfaced. This is what I've patched together so far.

Gleikhengauz:

“ Our athletes assess their strengths quite adequately themselves, and if they manage to skate nine or ten out of ten in training, they do not hesitate to go to the start. If there are mistakes in training, they understand this. Anya’s training was not perfect, and we understood that errors were possible, and, unfortunately, it went exactly along this path. "

" The Lutz-Rittberger cascade requires not only the ability to perform it, but also the right attitude, full of self-confidence. This is a huge difference. And any professional athlete who does this cascade with both a Toeloop and a Rittberger will say - there is a huge difference. For me, this minimal difference in the values of these jumps, only a single point, it is not justified. "

“ It is much more difficult to 'catch' the Rittberger as the second element, since if you hesitate, you won’t pick it up. This is what happened - Anya lost momentum when landing on the toepick, and was no longer able to get out of there to the height to make a triple, ” the coach explained.

The athlete planned to perform two quadruple jumps in her free program in Sochi, but the coaches decided not to risk it prematurely.

“ We planned to do two quads - we ran the program through with a Lutz and a Flip, but it was still too risky. All athletes have this - if your first quadruple jump is good, you go for the difficulty, and if you make a mistake on the first, there are very few chances on the second. So far we have limited ourselves to one, but our goal is to approach the Grand Prix with two, and the Russian Championship - with two or three quads. "

After her mistake in the short program, Shcherbakova found it difficult to cope with her emotions, but the coaches helped as best they could.

" I talked to her yesterday, when she got off the ice, and today in training me and Sergey Viktorovich (Dudakov) no longer focused on this, but tried to cheer her up, give her confidence in her abilities, ” Gleikhengauz emphasized.

" I thought we did it, but there is still a lot of work. Adrenaline hits the muscles hard after such jumps as triple Axel or quadruple jumps - the athletes exhale a little, and this prevents them from continuing to skate their programs through, but this is practiced in training. And at the starts it is different, there is even more adrenaline. "

" Today (in the free program) she (Dar'ya Usachyova) had a technical mistake on her Toeloop cascade - it was unexpected, because the landing from the first jump was good. We'll figure it out, but in general she showed herself very worthy in her first two competitions. She is stress-resistant, maybe skate to the maximum she is capable of ", - said Gleikhengauz.

Commenting on the state of the triple Axel, which Usacheva began to learn, Gleikhengauz said.

" It is still in the process, it has a good height, but so far there are not enough rotations - even if she almost leaves it, there are still under-rotations. First we need to screw it up, then we will talk about exiting from it, and then we insert it into the programs. The main thing is that she trains it, and those who train it succeed. "

" We continue to work on the programs of Valiyeva, especially on her free program - so that there are no misfires, like at the stage of the Russian Cup in Moscow. Pah-pah-pah, we like now how she skates - she trains every day, sometimes she does the triple Axel into triple Toeloop, but it is too early to tell that we will insert this into the programs. But this season it is necessary to do it," said Gleichengauz.

At the Moscow stage of the Russian Cup, Valieva made a number of mistakes in the free program, including falling twice. Coming off the ice, the athlete showed the trainers her boot.

"Shoelaces? She also told us. An athlete must never find a problem in himself - this is a natural process, " said Gleikhengauz.

Shcherbakova:

" There were difficulties, without those you cannot be. After returned from Syzran at first there was some kind of burst of energy, I was already trying to skate out a program with two quads. Then there were minor problems ... I got sick, I went back, recovered. It was not serious, but still it confused my preparation a little. "

" I spent more time on quadruple jumps during this time, restored them. In principle, there is progress, and I think it can be seen that this time I jumped the Flip more confidently. The Lutz has already been recovered in training, there were good attempts. "

" I think we will slowly recover. I hope nothing will interrupt training anymore. Although now, upon arrival, I will need to break in new skates. "

The skater noted that she has to start in time with the preparation of her skates for the Moscow stage of the Grand Prix, which will be held from 20 to 22 November. “ I have no options, I have to ” she said.

" Probably, these are the thoughts that interfere with skating, ” Shcherbakova answered when asked about the increased attention to herself and the increased status. " So I try to cope with it, skate just like I did before. I crossed paths with all the girls at the Open Test Skates, and our purely human relations remained the same, it was very pleasant to remember these, let's say, old feelings in the locker room. "

" We chatted calmly, and this, perhaps, was not even enough, last year we went to all the competitions together, and some kind of atmosphere developed. And it became even calmer, probably. In Syzran I competed alone - I somehow lost the habit of this, I was tense, all by myself. You must somehow be able to separate: one part - friendly relations, another part - competitions, where everyone is for himself. "

" I don’t know what to expect from it,” Shcherbakova said in response to a question about expectations from the season.

" I really hope that there will be major starts, especially the World Championship. This is probably my main dream for this season - for it to take place. On my part, I will simply do my best to perform well at the Russian Championship, improve myself and always be satisfied after my skating runs, otherwise I really did not like this feeling after the short program, where in an interview I had to tell something after a bad skate, after the good ones these are much nicer. "

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I'll try to interpret the interview here: https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/threads/anna-shcherbakova.60308/post-2656551 , the video with Anna is of the usual quality, she is very talkative and answers all questions to their fullest.
 
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Will Trusova go for the complete ultra-si set in her programs, just to show she can?

3A, 4T, 4F, 4L, 4Lo, 4S and set another record for the Guinness Book?

And whose ambition would it be more?
 
Will Trusova go for the complete ultra-si set in her programs, just to show she can?

3A, 4T, 4F, 4L, 4Lo, 4S and set another record for the Guinness Book?

And whose ambition would it be more?
Wouldn't it be something... I don't think anyone has strength to do that in one program... but if they allow quads in SP it could be doable within one competition... still... :scratch2:
 
Gleikhengauz and Shcherbakova have been interviewed by TASS in Sochi. But no complete transcript so far has surfaced. This is what I've patched together so far.

Gleikhengauz:

“ Our athletes assess their strengths quite adequately themselves, and if they manage to skate nine or ten out of ten in training, they do not hesitate to go to the start. If there are mistakes in training, they understand this. Anya’s training was not perfect, and we understood that errors were possible, and, unfortunately, it went exactly along this path. "

" The Lutz-Rittberger cascade requires not only the ability to perform it, but also the right attitude, full of self-confidence. This is a huge difference. And any professional athlete who does this cascade with both a Toeloop and a Rittberger will say - there is a huge difference. For me, this minimal difference in the values of these jumps, only a single point, it is not justified. "

“ It is much more difficult to 'catch' the Rittberger as the second element, since if you hesitate, you won’t pick it up. This is what happened - Anya lost momentum when landing on the toepick, and was no longer able to get out of there to the height to make a triple, ” the coach explained.

The athlete planned to perform two quadruple jumps in her free program in Sochi, but the coaches decided not to risk it prematurely.

“ We planned to do two quads - we ran the program through with a Lutz and a Flip, but it was still too risky. All athletes have this - if your first quadruple jump is good, you go for the difficulty, and if you make a mistake on the first, there are very few chances on the second. So far we have limited ourselves to one, but our goal is to approach the Grand Prix with two, and the Russian Championship - with two or three quads. "

After her mistake in the short program, Shcherbakova found it difficult to cope with her emotions, but the coaches helped as best they could.

" I talked to her yesterday, when she got off the ice, and today in training me and Sergey Viktorovich (Dudakov) no longer focused on this, but tried to cheer her up, give her confidence in her abilities, ” Gleikhengauz emphasized.

" I thought we did it, but there is still a lot of work. Adrenaline hits the muscles hard after such jumps as triple Axel or quadruple jumps - the athletes exhale a little, and this prevents them from continuing to skate their programs through, but this is practiced in training. And at the starts it is different, there is even more adrenaline. "

" Today (in the free program) she (Dar'ya Usachyova) had a technical mistake on her Toeloop cascade - it was unexpected, because the landing from the first jump was good. We'll figure it out, but in general she showed herself very worthy in her first two competitions. She is stress-resistant, maybe skate to the maximum she is capable of ", - said Gleikhengauz.

Commenting on the state of the triple Axel, which Usacheva began to learn, Gleikhengauz said.

" It is still in the process, it has a good height, but so far there are not enough rotations - even if she almost leaves it, there are still under-rotations. First we need to screw it up, then we will talk about exiting from it, and then we insert it into the programs. The main thing is that she trains it, and those who train it succeed. "

" We continue to work on the programs of Valiyeva, especially on her free program - so that there are no misfires, like at the stage of the Russian Cup in Moscow. Pah-pah-pah, we like now how she skates - she trains every day, sometimes she does the triple Axel into triple Toeloop, but it is too early to tell that we will insert this into the programs. But this season it is necessary to do it," said Gleichengauz.

At the Moscow stage of the Russian Cup, Valieva made a number of mistakes in the free program, including falling twice. Coming off the ice, the athlete showed the trainers her boot.

"Shoelaces? She also told us. An athlete must never find a problem in himself - this is a natural process, " said Gleikhengauz.

Shcherbakova:

" There were difficulties, without those you cannot be. After returned from Syzran at first there was some kind of burst of energy, I was already trying to skate out a program with two quads. Then there were minor problems ... I got sick, I went back, recovered. It was not serious, but still it confused my preparation a little. "

" I spent more time on quadruple jumps during this time, restored them. In principle, there is progress, and I think it can be seen that this time I jumped the Flip more confidently. The Lutz has already been recovered in training, there were good attempts. "

" I think we will slowly recover. I hope nothing will interrupt training anymore. Although now, upon arrival, I will need to break in new skates. "

The skater noted that she has to start in time with the preparation of her skates for the Moscow stage of the Grand Prix, which will be held from 20 to 22 November. “ I have no options, I have to ” she said.

" Probably, these are the thoughts that interfere with skating, ” Shcherbakova answered when asked about the increased attention to herself and the increased status. " So I try to cope with it, skate just like I did before. I crossed paths with all the girls at the Open Test Skates, and our purely human relations remained the same, it was very pleasant to remember these, let's say, old feelings in the locker room. "

" We chatted calmly, and this, perhaps, was not even enough, last year we went to all the competitions together, and some kind of atmosphere developed. And it became even calmer, probably. In Syzran I competed alone - I somehow lost the habit of this, I was tense, all by myself. You must somehow be able to separate: one part - friendly relations, another part - competitions, where everyone is for himself. "

" I don’t know what to expect from it,” Shcherbakova said in response to a question about expectations from the season.

" I really hope that there will be major starts, especially the World Championship. This is probably my main dream for this season - for it to take place. On my part, I will simply do my best to perform well at the Russian Championship, improve myself and always be satisfied after my skating runs, otherwise I really did not like this feeling after the short program, where in an interview I had to tell something after a bad skate, after the good ones these are much nicer. "

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I'll try to interpret the interview here: https://www.goldenskate.com/forum/threads/anna-shcherbakova.60308/post-2656551 , the video with Anna is of the usual quality, she is very talkative and answers all questions to their fullest.
Awwww, sounds like Anna misses the times when they traveled and competed together with Sasha and Aliona.
 
Russian Cup Standings after 3 (out of 5) events

1. Anna Shcherbakova 36 (will not compete again)
2. Daria Usacheva 30 (will not compete again)
3. Anna Frolova 28 (will not compete again)

4. Alexandra Trusova 18
4. Maria Talalaykina 18 (will not compete again)
6. Kamila Valieva 16
7. Elizaveta Tuktamysheva 14
7. Maiia Khromykh 14
7. Stanislava Molchanova 14 (will not compete again)
10. Sofia Samodurova 12
11. Kamila Sultanmagomedova 10
11. Stanislava Konstantinova 10
11. Anastasia Gulyakova 10
11. Arina Onishchenko 10 (will not compete again)
15. Valeria Shulskaya 8
15. Elizaveta Nugumanova 8

Shcherbakova, Usacheva and Frolova through to Nationals.

Besides Alëna Kostornaia, there are six prominent ladies we haven't seen yet. Ksenia Sinitsyna, Evgenia Medvedeva, Anastasia Gubanova, Ksenia Tsibinova, Serafima Sakhanovich and Anastasia Tarakanova. They all need to show up at Stage Four or they will not qualify for RusNats. But I am beginning to suspect that we won't see them at all... :( And that means that probably Talalaykina and even Molchanova are through to Nationals.

But who knows, the RusFed might change the rules for submission to Nationals this year, or they might even scale down to just a 12 ladies competition (horrible thought!:eek2:). Anything can still happen.

Next up at Stage Four is Trusova, Samodurova and Kostornaia.
 
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It's gonna be an exciting competition!

I'll have everything crossed for Sofia Sam, her programs are so intriguing to me! I hope she performs then really well at Stage 4. I wonder if she can make Nationals though!
I don't think Samodurova has anything to worry about. She could probably afford to end up 7th at the next stage and still qualify.
 
Thanks Jontor for keeping the tally that FFKKR hides somewhere deep in its website.
I'd like to see Shulskaya again and hope for her to qualify.

When there will be a variable cutoff or coaching council decision round, surely an extra flight of 6 women won't blow the budget?
 
Thanks Jontor for keeping the tally that FFKKR hides somewhere deep in its website.
I'd like to see Shulskaya again and hope for her to qualify.

When there will be a variable cutoff or coaching council decision round, surely an extra flight of 6 women won't blow the budget?
I am using the Russian Cup rules from last year, so I hope they haven't changed the point system!

Shulskaya and Nugumanova are in a somewhat troublesome position. They both need a top 5 finish to beat Talalaykina. I hope they both return at stage 4 where the competition seems to be a bit "lighter" than at Stage 5.
 
The Moscow stages have the widest audience appeal probably, so that's where you get the 'highest valued' exposure. Which matters to some more than others, i.e. when there are sponsored tickets to distribute or concession stands with merchandise to be sold.

For the athletes it shouldn't really matter to whom they are up against.

Nationals has 3 flights, so I assume their selection criteria apply to the combined Cup Final/Nationals
 
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The Moscow stages have the widest audience appeal probably, so that's where you get the 'highest valued' exposure. Which matters to some more than others, i.e. when there are sponsored tickets to distribute or concession stands with merchandise to be sold.

For the athletes it shouldn't really matter to whom they are up against.

Nationals has 3 flights, so I assume their selection criteria apply to the combined Cup Final/Nationals
Agree. This Cup point system doesn't really make any sense. I wish they would go on Total Score instead - and who knows - maybe they will!
 
There are six prominent ladies we haven't seen yet. Ksenia Sinitsyna, Evgenia Medvedeva, Anastasia Gubanova, Ksenia Tsibinova, Serafima Sakhanovich and Anastasia Tarakanova. They all need to show up at Stage Four or they will not qualify for RusNats.
You have overlooked Kostornaia in your list, so there are actually seven prominent ladies who have yet to compete - just for the people who are now starting to make their calculations and predictions of who will make it to RusNats.
 
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