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has this really not been shared here yet or did i miss it? Alina is training a new competitive program, i assume FS. anyone know what the music is? her jumps look good.

That's her Ex number that she planned to perform at the WC'20, Esmeralda; she's rehearsing it now for the "FS Lovers" festival gala that is planned for Nov 7.
 
has this really not been shared here yet or did i miss it? Alina is training a new competitive program, i assume FS. anyone know what the music is? her jumps look good.


Looks a bit empty to be a competition program based on what that team puts out, probably an exhibition number for shows. If it is a competition program I dont know how competitive it would actually be based on that clip.
 
I'm sorry you're right. :)

But no she is not at their level....yet.
I disagree. If you have seen her training videos, Rika is in good form and she doesn’t have any glaring deficiencies. We haven’t seen her in competitions yet this season so she hasn’t been able to show her programs. She is landing her jumps including a 4S in practice. If a World Championship is held next year, I don’t think it’s a guarantee that the Russian ladies will sweep the medals.
 
ah, thanks for clarifying. if she's still reeling off easy rippon flips and lutzes in a program, i'd say she's in a good spot to return to competition if she decides to.
Daniil mentioned in one interview that it was pleasantly surprising how good she was on ice given her lack of proper training hours nowadays (due to university, tv shows, etc), so if she indeed decides to return to competitions, she'll definitely be "in a good spot to return" :) .

oh, and the music is from the Notre Dame de Paris (Les sans-papiers)
 
I really wasn't sure what to expect from Adelia today since she's been out for so long, but my god she killed it! She looks like she hasn't missed a beat training-wise and I could seriously watch her spin all day :love: Really like this program for her as well and I'm excited to see her new free tomorrow!

Shame about Liza's fall, but I love that she didn't let it affect her and she stayed in character until the very last beat of the music. She's in 4th now, but she's basically tied with the girls in 2nd and 3rd so a podium place is well within reach if she skates well tomorrow. :pray:
 


Contemporary tango at its best. Well done, little black tiger cub, Adeliya Tigranovna :)

Is there already a separate thread on Adeliya Petrosyan

i really can't wait to watch her in a few years. she is already such a well rounded skater- great spins, skating skills and artistry are there for her age, jumps are solid and technique is good minus the axel.
 
Also, Sasha herself is the only one who has skated at/close to her TES of last year. (Although I very very very much hope Anna gets her 4Lz and 4Lz-3T back and stabilizes her 3Lz-3Lo - sooo happy about her 4F - and that Alena gets her 3A back.) So, not that's not an objective comparison for this coming year - which was what I was arguing. All I was saying let's wait until they meet this year before pre-emptively declaring a winner and saying "second-best Russian skaters" could beat everyone else. Yes, maybe they could, but that's definitely not a given. Also, my comment with Japanese depth was in regards to it being hard to qualify for Japan's international spots. Every year, Japan leaves someone (or multiple someones) home who could easily b
It wasn't you but another user did state very dimissively that Japanese ladies have more depth than Russian ladies which I think is why emotions escalated here.

Honestly, I don't see how anyone could dis-count Rika as a contender considering she jumped a rotated 4S last season (fall but still rotated). I would definitely put her in tier 1.

Really you see no lies? I guess the question is who do you consider "second-tier Russian ladies"?

For me, this would be the veteran trio of last season. My tier list would be as follows (please don't come at me, this is just for fun).

Tier 1 (230-250):
Anna, Sasha, Alena, Kamila
Tier 2 (210-230):
Alina, Evgenia, Liza, Daria, Ksenia
Tier 3 (190-210):
Maiia, Anna Frolova (also Vasilieva and Tarakanova but they may not be skating this year)
Tier 4 (170+):
All the well known girls who have trouble getting out of the country.
Sakhanovich, Gubanova, Guliakova, Tsibinova, Shulskaya, Talailaykina, Nugumanova etc.
Plus the ones who are inconsistent or had a bad season -> Konstantinova and Samodurova
 
I only wish that Adelia's skating could be a little faster (this is a tango, after all). Her edges are very deep and nice, and the program itself and her performance are surprisingly good, but it's lacking a bit of the intensity in the step sequence.
 
Russian Cup Standings after 3 (out of 5) events

1. Anna Shcherbakova 36 (will not compete again)
2. Daria Usacheva 30 (will not compete again)
3. Anna Frolova 28 (will not compete again)

4. Alexandra Trusova 18
4. Maria Talalaykina 18 (will not compete again)
6. Kamila Valieva 16
7. Elizaveta Tuktamysheva 14
7. Maiia Khromykh 14
7. Stanislava Molchanova 14 (will not compete again)
10. Sofia Samodurova 12
11. Kamila Sultanmagomedova 10
11. Stanislava Konstantinova 10
11. Anastasia Gulyakova 10
11. Arina Onishchenko 10 (will not compete again)
15. Valeria Shulskaya 8
15. Elizaveta Nugumanova 8

Shcherbakova, Usacheva and Frolova through to Nationals.

Besides Alëna Kostornaia, there are six prominent ladies we haven't seen yet. Ksenia Sinitsyna, Evgenia Medvedeva, Anastasia Gubanova, Ksenia Tsibinova, Serafima Sakhanovich and Anastasia Tarakanova. They all need to show up at Stage Four or they will not qualify for RusNats. But I am beginning to suspect that we won't see them at all... :( And that means that probably Talalaykina and even Molchanova are through to Nationals.

But who knows, the RusFed might change the rules for submission to Nationals this year, or they might even scale down to just a 12 ladies competition (horrible thought!:eek2:). Anything can still happen.

Next up at Stage Four is Trusova, Samodurova and Kostornaia.
Didnt rusfed already say that they will somehow get skaters that could not do 2 stages into rusnats? One way or another?
 
Also keep in mind that Sasha, Anna, and Alena haven't even completed a full international season yet (due to COVID). I LOVE them but they haven't yet skated cleanly this year and were all struggling at Europeans last year. Also, (other than Kamila who is still a junior) Russian skaters ALSO aren't really competitive with Sasha, Anna, or Alena (it's not just other countries' skaters). It's not like Russia has 8 skaters at the level of their top 3. The other Japanese skaters are more than capable and competitive with the other Russian senior ladies and actually tend to score higher PCS wise internationally than all other Russian skaters with the exception of Evgenia, Alina, and Alena (two of which might not even skate this year and regardless aren't at their technical peak). Also, Rika actually is more than capable of beating every single one of Sasha, Anna, and Alena and has the TES and PCS to do so.

Finally, the initial statement wasn't who would medal. It was that other countries didn't have skaters "close to the same level" as Russian skaters nor "a lot of them in the same discipline" and that "second-tier Russians are better than other countries' top three" and I think that has been shown to be demonstratively false.
Rika wouldn't have even sniffed a podium last year with 3A around. Will things change this year? Possibly. I only wish we get to see them in a competition together and that would be at Worlds and that's in great doubt for obvious reasons.

And it will be interesting to see if Sasha and aliona lose EG bounce and don't score like they used to.
It wasn't you but another user did state very dimissively that Japanese ladies have more depth than Russian ladies which I think is why emotions escalated here.

Honestly, I don't see how anyone could dis-count Rika as a contender considering she jumped a rotated 4S last season (fall but still rotated). I would definitely put her in tier 1.



For me, this would be the veteran trio of last season. My tier list would be as follows (please don't come at me, this is just for fun).

Tier 1 (230-250):
Anna, Sasha, Alena, Kamila
Tier 2 (210-230):
Alina, Evgenia, Liza, Daria, Ksenia
Tier 3 (190-210):
Maiia, Anna Frolova (also Vasilieva and Tarakanova but they may not be skating this year)
Tier 4 (170+):
All the well known girls who have trouble getting out of the country.
Sakhanovich, Gubanova, Guliakova, Tsibinova, Shulskaya, Talailaykina, Nugumanova etc.
Plus the ones who are inconsistent or had a bad season -> Konstantinova and Samodurova
I agree with your Tier lists. 22 is very deep. ;) And that doesn't even count the slew of amazing novices and juniors TT and Russia have coming up.

I don't know what Rika will do this year. But she was a slight disappointment over all last year I would say and not even close to the level of 3A. But with a pandemic and hardly any skaters being in top form and if aliona and Sasha regress and don't get that Eteri bounce then the door will be open for others like Rika or YY to sneak onto a worlds podium. At this point I just hope we have some kind of a world championship so we can see all the best skaters at the same time. We were robbed of that last year. And if Sasha or aliona won worlds as may have happened certainly Aliona was the favorite. Whoever won would not have left TT.

Thanks again Lz.
 
Stage 4 or 5, where she can best be declared strategy wise. There should be no worry over Maya qualifying, but with an error free free program she can make an impression.
 
Bestemyanova is one constant you can always depend on (in her 'unbiased' opinions, that is)

Besti on ultra-с elements vs spins last season when a TT skater (Sasha) won with quads: "Spins should be scored as high as quads!"
Besti on ultra-с elements vs spins this season when a TT skater (Dasha) won without an ultra-с element: "Spins should not be scored as high as ultra-с elements!"

:ROFLMAO:
 
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