2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

[McBibus]

As always, it's out of Anna's hands, she can just do her best but she can't affect the outcome at all, if Trusova doesn't fail she wins.

Interestingly enough, that's the exact scenario where Anna's lately had the advantage over Trusova, with Trusova's nerves getting the best of her. Anna's also been very strong in domestic competitions, though whether we consider Rostelecom cup to be one is up for debate...

That's the same for everybody facing Sasha.
Can't be considered a limit of Anna.
The day all goes well for Trusova the is no contest for the win, unless Sasha decides to lower her program's BV but that would be a sure way to not win and feel unsatisfied at the end so I don't think it will happen.
At least that was my approach to sport: if I knew a did not gave it all it was like unfinished business.
You should never work as hard as this girls do an be left with a "What if" open question.

 

[McBibus]

Yes, I totally forgot about Midori Ito. She was something else. I found this fun video of her doing triple+triple combinations. The whole first 5 minutes are all about 3T+3T, then 3Lz+3T, 3F+3T and 3A+3T.

Midori Ito Triple - Triple Combination Jump

Midori Ito Triple - Triple Combination Jump ※4:31～の3T-3Tは91年ワールドのフリー演技です。 OP(SP)のウォームアップ中の衝突事故の後遺症で出場すら危ぶまれたフリー、こんな状態で演技終盤に成功させたこの3T-3Tは、アルベールビル五輪終盤に成功させた3Aと...

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And yes, I don't think Yamaguchi ever did it as a combo, it was always steps in there...

Sorry for the off topic...

I think Midori bornt along with the current tops and trained the same way would jump quads almost as big as Sasha does.
She was dynamite at the time.
Her trixel was something alien

 

[Skatesocs]

Why do you think that? I think she’ll jump 4 quads whatever her short result is.

I think that, because she didn't look like she'll be able to land 4 quads and go clean in her recent outing. Which might mean she will lose to Shcherbakova, since she'll get inevitably lower PCS, and GOE on spins and steps at least, especially if Anna does two quads (which is what Jontor was proposing Anna'll do).

OTOH, if Trusova gains the SP lead with a 3A, she can beat everyone with three quads and delivering everything else cleanly. She'll only need to switch the 3Lz+3Lo for a 3Lz+3T, and do solo 4S, 4Lz, and 4T as her three opening elements.

I am not sure which strategy she'll adopt. To me it makes sense to scope out how high the home judging is willing to go for her, and then plan a strategy for nationals. If she wins nationals, I think she's pretty much set to make Beijing, though who knows with the Russian team.

I have not kept up with her interviews, but to me it makes little sense to go for 5 quads this season. Next season as a peak towards Beijing maybe.

Even if she wants to do five this season, I'm not sure I see the benefits of trying to land four here.

 

[Skatesocs]

Thrre are few meetings planned this season for TRU and SCHER

Haha "Tru" and "Scher". It never really worked for anyone but "Med" and "Zagi", and maybe "Tukt". "Lip" tended to have a problem with the Lutz edge, unfortunately

 

[karina17]

I actually vastly prefer chalkboard lectures to powerpoint ones since they force you to take notes and therefore pay more attention.

Off-topic, but my math teacher still used the whiteboard last year for the exact reason you brought up, and my entire class just took photos of the whiteboard instead.

Something about leading a horse to water...

 

[Vilord]

Off-topic, but my math teacher still used the whiteboard last year for the exact reason you brought up, and my entire class just took photos of the whiteboard instead.

Something about leading a horse to water...

Well then your clasmates only have them self to blame. Forcing you to write something down yourself helps the brain remember it better. Far more than taking a picture with your smatphone anywhay.

 

[Vemvane]

Just leaving this here ...

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHkODUdpSff/

The second and fourth photos are of most relevance to this thread.

 

[kolyadafan2002]

What competition were Trusova and Shcherbakova both at where Shcherbakova only did 2 quads? At the GPF, Europeans and Russian Nationals Shcherbakova did 3 quads yes at the GPF she fell on the 4F and at Europeans she had a fall on 1 and a downgrade on another but she did attempt 3 quads. And the only competition I can think of where Trusova did 3 quads was at Europeans which she didn't do those cleanly either having 2 falls and a downgrade on a quad.

Regarding comparing their Russian Cup scores, Shcherbakova's is with only 1 quad, I believe she has stated that she plans to have 2 quads at GP Russia, so as long as she rotates it even if she falls she's likely removed that point deficit or surpassed Trusova's score.

Question - does anyone know if the GP event will be scored by international judges or will it be domestic judges like at the Russian cup events?

Japan open Trusova did 4 clean quads. In a vast Number of competitions Trusova did 3 clean quads.

I think Trusova will try 4 quads. I'm not betting that she will succeed with all of them, but it's in her character to try push herself.
But please Trusova, remove the 3Lz+3Lo. Make the second 3Lz a 3Lo and just repeat the 3T.

 

[Vilord]

Japan open Trusova did 4 clean quads. In a vast Number of competitions Trusova did 3 clean quads.

I think Trusova will try 4 quads. I'm not betting that she will succeed with all of them, but it's in her character to try push herself.
But please Trusova, remove the 3Lz+3Lo. Make the second 3Lz a 3Lo and just repeat the 3T.

Yes Ifeel like she should either remove the +3Lo or one quad at least for the time being until she gets more consistent. Then she can try to add it in again

 

[Flying Feijoa]

I'm not sure about Lipnitskaya, but I don't remember Tsurskaya retiring because of injury? I remember her skating with Buyanova for a while before she eventually retired (probably because her chances of making the national team were low). That's being out-competed by other skaters, no? Of course, she has been injured in the past, but then so have many others including Liza. I'd say the majority of the Russian ladies, coached by Eteri or anyone else, retired because they were out-competed.

She had a back injury just before her move to Buianova. In her last season she could barely do a layback anymore (no Biellmann, just a really slow L2 catchfoot). It presumably also would have affected her jumps because she fell/popped a lot, in stark contrast to the seasons prior. It wasn't the only reason for her retirement (e.g. Medvedeva and Kostornaia are still competing with back problems of varying severity) but certainly a contributing factor.

I wasn't purposefully trying to pick only Eteri skaters as an example, just Moscow girls competing at a high level. Just guessing that St Petersburg girls don't seem to get overuse injuries as much because they aren't pushed to train as hard by intense local competition, so they quietly fizzle out instead over time (like many Moscow skaters at lower levels also do).

 

[snowflake]

I think that, because she didn't look like she'll be able to land 4 quads and go clean in her recent outing. Which might mean she will lose to Shcherbakova, since she'll get inevitably lower PCS, and GOE on spins and steps at least, especially if Anna does two quads (which is what Jontor was proposing Anna'll do).

OTOH, if Trusova gains the SP lead with a 3A, she can beat everyone with three quads and delivering everything else cleanly. She'll only need to switch the 3Lz+3Lo for a 3Lz+3T, and do solo 4S, 4Lz, and 4T as her three opening elements.

I am not sure which strategy she'll adopt. To me it makes sense to scope out how high the home judging is willing to go for her, and then plan a strategy for nationals. If she wins nationals, I think she's pretty much set to make Beijing, though who knows with the Russian team.

I have not kept up with her interviews, but to me it makes little sense to go for 5 quads this season. Next season as a peak towards Beijing maybe.

Even if she wants to do five this season, I'm not sure I see the benefits of trying to land four here.

If she’s going for 5 quads this season or next I don’t know. First she has to be confident with clean 4 quad performances. For that to happen I would think it’s important to go for a 4 quad program in as many competitions as possible.

I have no idea how she thinks, but is it that important to win Rostelecom? It doesn’t really mean anything except for honor, right?

We’ll see

 

[flanker]

If she’s going for 5 quads this season or next I don’t know. First she has to be confident with clean 4 quad performances. For that to happen I would think it’s important to go for a 4 quad program in as many competitions as possible.

I have no idea how she thinks, but is it that important to win Rostelecom? It doesn’t really mean anything except for honor, right?

We’ll see

Good result in such a strong field always helps confidence. And of course it brings a piece of prestige that shouldn't be ignored.

 

[Edwin]

Is there price money in hard currency to be won next weekend?

For most rinks and skaters, an important source of income ...

 

[Edwin]

Should this be discussed here?

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[snowflake]

Good result in such strong field always helps confidence. And of course it brings a piece of prestige that shouldn't be ignored.

yes sure, depends what she values most; a safe win here or thinking long term... practicing her quads

 

[Edwin]

Just leaving this here ...

https://www.instagram.com/p/CHkODUdpSff/

The second and fourth photos are of most relevance to this thread.

LOL, and many more are LOL or ROFLMAO worthy, just like the Yuzuruu channel.

more daily laughs and needed unstressing ...

 

[JazzUp]

LOL, and many more are LOL or ROFLMAO worthy

Edwin, if you need Lulz, just watch 1TV's promo for the upcoming Rostelecom Cup - it's a roflmaosterpiece

 

[flanker]

yes sure, depends what she values most; a safe win here or thinking long term... practicing her quads

Interesting that you ask. Not so long ago former Sasha's coach was criticized for not allowing her to jump as many quads as she wanted, because she thought in a long term, which "lead to the departure"

 

[flanker]

Edwin if you need Lulz, just watch 1TV's promo for the upcoming Rostelecom Cup - it's a roflmaosterpiece

When they mention what the creators of Santa Barbara didn't even dream of, I'm truly curious when there will be the true soap-opera from the world of the russian figure skating.

 

[Novalis]

When they mention what the creators of Santa Barbara didn't even dream of, I'm truly curious when there will be the true soap-opera from the world of the russian figure skating.

There is a soupie character to that promo

Is the Channel One just trolling now. This has to be at least half a joke