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As for her reasons for leaving I am not sure if we know all the story. After all when she left, Daniil was saying quite defensively that he had prepared for her a 5 quad program for Worlds and we could even see her skate it at a training. So I am not sure if that is all there is...
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I think it’s because they limited her, Sasha was inconsistent, even when trying more and more.
Even with Anna this year, Anna said she wanted to do 2 quads at her 2nd stage, but they eventually came to a decision to skate with one.
With Sasha I think it was evident Sasha was unhappy with being limited (even at Europeans she spoke out straight off the ice), hence by worlds they tried to take her wishes into account as a last ditch attempt to make her happy, when things were already going south. However, imo and judging by what Sasha herself said, I don’t think it was the strategy the coaches themselves preferred.

I think it’s a tricky situation. Only Sasha herself knows how she feels. Every athlete has their own limits in terms of health and injury proneness: while Nathan Chen can train multiple quad routines like no big deal without any injuries, attempting the same approach would leave skaters like Yuzuru or Denis Ten injured on day 1. Same with ladies, some can pump out incredible things and have 0 injuries, others are constantly injured while doing way less.

so to speak, I understand both sides in this argument. On one hand, limiting quads seems reasonable (and I don’t think it was ever done to hold Sasha back), on the other hand only she knows whether she feels okay or not with certain amount of training.
 
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I think it’s because they limited her, Sasha was inconsistent, even when trying more and more.
Even with Anna this year, Anna said she wanted to do 2 quads at her 2nd stage, but they eventually came to a decision to skate with one.
With Sasha I think it was evident Sasha was unhappy with being limited (even at Europeans she spoke out straight off the ice), hence by worlds they tried to take her wishes into account as a last ditch attempt to make her happy, when things were already going south. However, imo and judging by what Sasha herself said, I don’t think it was the strategy the coaches themselves preferred.

I think it’s a tricky situation. Only Sasha herself knows how she feels. Every athlete has their own limits in terms of health and injury proneness: while Nathan Chen can train multiple quad routines like no big deal without any injuries, attempting the same approach would leave skaters like Yuzuru or Denis Ten injured on day 1. Same with ladies, some can pump out incredible things and have 0 injuries, others are constantly injured while doing way less.

so to speak, I understand both sides in this argument. On one hand, limiting quads seems reasonable (and I don’t think it was ever done to hold Sasha back), on the other hand only she knows whether she feels okay or not with certain amount of training.
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My opinion is that if Trusova had indeed been held back from doing as many quads as she's been capable of, she should have skated those programs with fewer quads cleanly. If she did that, she surely would have gotten to jump more quads. Considering that she was having severe issues even with programs that had fewer quads, it's quite reasonable to think that a 5 quad program would have been too much for her. And even if she complained about it after Euros, isn't it the case that even in euros Trusova only jumped 3 quads, and failed two of them? To me that honestly makes no sense. If she wants to be jumping 5 quads, surely she needs to be expected to consistently be cleanly skating 3 quad programs first. In my opinion that's a perfectly reasonable stance to have.

When it comes to Anna, I'm happy that they're being very careful with her. These fall competitions aren't that important, it's better to focus on a steady build-up in my opinion. She definitely isn't still entirely comfortable even with the easier layouts.
 
Mishin Cup already underway:

Scores: https://fsrussia.ru/results/2021/mishin_cup2020/SEG005.HTM

With the calendar so thinned out, every competition is important now, and this is an all Russian competition, so we can see skaters from all over Russia just like in Southern Breeze three weeks ago.

36 KMS girls are now competing, Dariya Loboda, Anastasiya Molchanova, Kseniya Gushchina, Mariya Paramonova, Anastasiya Zinina, Valeriya Ovchinnikova among many other
15 MS girls include Kamila Sultanmagomedova, Anastasiya Gulyakova, Valeriya Kostina, Eva Kobzar, Arina Onishchenko
35 Novices will compete from tomorrow, including Anastasiya Marasanova.

Other than this, live skating here:


and here from Nizhniy Novgorod:

Live scoring: http://fsevents.narod.ru/event/s2021/novgorod2/index.htm

and here too from Kazan:

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Live scoring: http://dz-led.ru/2021/aks112020/

or here, from Sankt Peterburg:

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Live scoring: https://freeskating.info/results/2021/peter_cup_1etap/
 
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Well for me, this is the first test for Plushenko as a strategist. We all know Eteri will find the way to make her skaters win if there is one. If the coaching change still has Trusova going for under-prepared layouts... Well.

I think Shcherbakova is the favorite going in probably. I just expect Trusova to be smart here.
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The problem I see is that Sherbakova could almost match Sasha in the SP without a triple axel against Sasha doing a triple axel (at least in Russia) - I also think that if Sherbakova did two quads clean and Trusova did three Sherbakova would win.


I honestly suspect this will come down to a loop combination. I'm not sure why, it's just a feeling in my gut that a +3Lo will win or lose the competition.
 
Mishin Cup continues here:

Poor lighting, poor camerawork, poor quality unfortunately. Very poor compared to some live streams running concurrently :-(

Good field in the women who start soon: Anastasiya Gulyakova, Eva Kobzar, Kamila Sultanmagomedova, Valeriya Kostina, Arina Onishchenko. The first flight is packed already: https://fsrussia.ru/results/2021/mishin_cup2020/SEG009.HTM

From the far out Khantiy Mantiyskiy Kray Anna Romasyuk will compete, along with Anastasiya Kochetkova

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And there is another competitor from far up the Russian north Yamal region: Dar'ya Lysakova
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Салехардская фигуристка поборется за Кубок Алексея Мишина | Север-Пресс

В Белгороде на Ледовой арене «Оранжевый лед» с 15 по 17 ноября состоятся Всероссийские соревнования по фигурному катанию «Кубок заслуженного тренера России Алексея Мишина».
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This event is where Tuktamysheva was spotted by Mishin. Perhaps 'grumpa' will make an appearance here to scout some talent?
 
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Those who were worried over the withdrawal of Sof'ya Muravyova from the free program of 4th Stage of Russian Cup: Sof'ya has been checked by doctors and is declared fit to train.

" Already in Moscow, Sophia underwent a medical examination, the doctor gave her permission to train, so at the moment Sof'ya is doing fine, she has started full sessions.

It would not be entirely delicate to discuss the details of Sof'ya's withdrawal.

For us, the health and psycho-emotional state of the athlete was most important, so the coaching staff decided to withdraw Sof'ya from the competition just before her appearance on the ice. I was in touch with Yevgeniy Viktorovich Plyushchenko, and we assumed that she would still be able to start, but, unfortunately, this did not happen. It is a pity that she did not manage to compete in the free program, as she arrived to this event in excellent shape.

There are no specifics about Sof'ya's participation in the fifth stage of the Russian Cup, but we will talk with the federation about the possibility of her admission to this competition."

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Михайлов: Муравьева начала полноценные тренировки после снятия с Кубка

Фигуристка Софья Муравьева приступила к полноценным тренировкам после снятия с этапа Кубка России в Казани, сообщил РИА Новости тренер спортсменки Дмитрий... РИА Новости Спорт, 15.11.2020
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Sof'ya Samodelkina has been declared to compete in the 5th Stage of Russian Cup :)

" With Sof'yas's health, everything is allright. She will definitely compete in the Moscow stage."

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Самоделкина выступит на пятом этапе Кубка России по фигурному катанию

Фигуристка Софья Самоделкина выступит на пятом этапе Кубка России в Москве, сообщил РИА Новости тренер спортсменки Сергей Давыдов. РИА Новости Спорт, 15.11.2020
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Edwin said:
Those who were worried over the withdrawal of Sof'ya Muravyova from the free program of 4th Stage of Russian Cup: Sof'ya has been checked by doctors and is declared fit to train.

" Already in Moscow, Sophia underwent a medical examination, the doctor gave her permission to train, so at the moment Sof'ya is doing fine, she has started full sessions.

It would not be entirely delicate to discuss the details of Sof'ya's withdrawal.

For us, the health and psycho-emotional state of the athlete was most important, so the coaching staff decided to withdraw Sof'ya from the competition just before her appearance on the ice. I was in touch with Yevgeniy Viktorovich Plyushchenko, and we assumed that she would still be able to start, but, unfortunately, this did not happen. It is a pity that she did not manage to compete in the free program, as she arrived to this event in excellent shape.

There are no specifics about Sof'ya's participation in the fifth stage of the Russian Cup, but we will talk with the federation about the possibility of her admission to this competition."

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Михайлов: Муравьева начала полноценные тренировки после снятия с Кубка

Фигуристка Софья Муравьева приступила к полноценным тренировкам после снятия с этапа Кубка России в Казани, сообщил РИА Новости тренер спортсменки Дмитрий... РИА Новости Спорт, 15.11.2020
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Sof'ya Samodelkina has been declared to compete in the 5th Stage of Russian Cup :)

" With Sof'yas's health, everything is allright. She will definitely compete in the Moscow stage."

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Самоделкина выступит на пятом этапе Кубка России по фигурному катанию

Фигуристка Софья Самоделкина выступит на пятом этапе Кубка России в Москве, сообщил РИА Новости тренер спортсменки Сергей Давыдов. РИА Новости Спорт, 15.11.2020
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Good news for two of the top Juniors. Muravyova should qualify if she is allowed to compete (and why wouldnt they let her). And Samodelkina could potentially qualify on only one event if she winns. However I think that if she makes a strong skate at 5th stage RusFed will find a way to sub her in
 
Some of the participants in the earlier stages have already competed twice in other FFKKR competitions, like Dar'ya Loboda or Kseniya Gushchina, who competed both in Moscow 2nd Stage of Russian Cup and in Southern Breeze and Mishin Cup tournaments since. Now, will they compete again in the Moscow 5th Stage to earn their start in the finals, since they are currently at 6 resp 4 points? Or don't they bother with the Cup Finals anymore and fell back on the All Russian range of competitions?

The final stage of Russian Cup in the Juniors has Samodelkina, Zhilina, Petrosyan, Osokina competing for the medal places most likely, but also still Liventseva and Latushkina are in contention to make the final 18 when they do well in Moscow.
 
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Good news for two of the top Juniors. Muravyova should qualify if she is allowed to compete (and why wouldnt they let her). And Samodelkina could potentially qualify on only one event if she winns. However I think that if she makes a strong skate at 5th stage RusFed will find a way to sub her in
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I think there should be white cards like in tennis. Very good skaters who could not qualify for various reasons to receive the right to participate based on a white card
 
And what about those who qualified on their own strength? Should they be content with displacement by a name skater?

Perhaps they can be sufficiently enticed to declare themselves injured? Has happened before in many kinds of sports with limited places.

We'll see how the Coaching Council handles this, first of all whether there will be any transparency in their decision making.
 
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And what about those who qualified on their own strength? Should they be content with displacement by a name skater?

Perhaps they can be sufficiently enticed to declare themselves injured? Has happened before in many kinds of sports with limited places.

We'll see how the Coaching Council handles this, first of all whether there will be any transparency in their decision making.
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Well for skaters like samodelkina it was more down to bad luck and bad timing. Had she been able to compete she would have qualified easily and will be a miles better skater than whoever she might replace.

Medvedeva/Sinitsyna in seniors is less sure and we will see how it plays out.
 
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The cutoff in KMS for their Cup Finals will probably be somewhere 15-16-17 points, which means Samodelkina will qualify by herself when finishing second in the 5th Stage

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No if she winns she probably qualifies second place probably not. There are 18 spots to junior Nats right (For the cup final it might be lower but who cares about that its Junior Nats we all worry about). Then there are those who have allready qualified through the senior cup. Mainly Valieva, Usasheva and Kromykh but possibly also Frolova. That means that there are 14 or 15 spots up for grab in the junnior cup.

Based on my predictions the 14th ranked skater will have 18 points and the 15th ranked skater 16points. Someone else that can change the outcome is the placement of Morosova and Osokina in relation to skaters such as Liventseva, Lobodoba and Latushkina. The problem is that if Sofia S is second she will tie at 16 points with several skaters that have two competitions and therefore higher total score (Unless she sets some insane record and scores 340pts and somehow only places second).

However I would say that she has a good chance to win if she is anywhere near her full form. Her biggest competitors will be Petrosyan (who dont have either 3A or quad) and Zhillina (who is way behind her PCS wise) and Muravieva (Same as Petrosyan).
 
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I don't know whether Frolova, Valiyeva, Usachyova and Khromykh will be in the KMS Junior Cup Finals when they have already competed in Senior Nationals?
 
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I don't know whether Frolova, Valiyeva, Usachyova and Khromykh will be in the KMS Junior Cup Finals when they have already competed in Senior Nationals?
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My guess is they will only go to junior nationals if there is a chance of junior worlds taking place. Otherwise, it would be better to continue establishing themselves as seniors, imo.
 
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