It doesn't look like a quad. Interesting how skaters who are often pegged as "powerful" have lower quads. Rika is like this too.
Well for ladies we really dont have enough historical data to make an assumption on whether lower or higher quads are more consistent because so few ladies steadily attempt a quad in competition.It doesn't look like a quad. Interesting how skaters who are often pegged as "powerful" have lower quads. Rika is like this too.
I don't say this to be rude (sometimes tone is hard to gauge on the internet), because it looks very effortless. I wonder if lower quads are more consistent
That's true. Sometimes people will say lower/less powerful triples are more consistent (I remember this was an argument between Evgenia vs Osmond), but there's of course a limit where if you're too low you just under rotate all the time
I think it may that the effortlessness is giving the illusion that the jump is not a quad?It doesn't look like a quad. Interesting how skaters who are often pegged as "powerful" have lower quads. Rika is like this too.
I don't say this to be rude (sometimes tone is hard to gauge on the internet), because it looks very effortless. I wonder if lower quads are more consistent
Game of the thrones, may be?
Ah haha. That makes more sense. I was rather confused as I didn't remember Anna doing THAT badly that year haha or any obvious replacement. In 2015-2016, I think that comes down to two things: (1) nationals determines the team and it's not like the top 3 skaters were juniors so they sent the top three and (2) Evgenia was going to almost guaranteed a win so medals and spots for next year weren't a concern. Even if she struggled, Elena was also having an amazingly good year, even beating Evgenia at Rostelecom. And even though she struggled Anna DID medal at Euros - Staysa didn't. So, they went with nationals, Anna deserved it, their spots for the third year were pretty much guaranteed. The difference is that in 2019, Alina was struggling by that point so they couldn't guarantee the three spots, Sofia was a surprise but still a first year senior. So they didn't want question marks in the event of struggling in all three spots - they only had question marks in one of the spots - Anna's. And when you look at who could replace Anna, you have Maria, Adelina, Yulia, and Liza, but they also were struggling, and even struggling, unlike Anna they didn't manage to medal. The four of them placed below Polina ( a junior) at the time at nationals which is a less desirable result then struggling and medaling at Euros.
I agree. I think that age does allow for more perspective and insight and just plain lived experience, so that can help/make it easier to draw on life experience when portraying a more mature, nuanced skate. However, like being small helps with rotation, that's just a potential advantage. I love Liza, but she's 8-10 years older than a lot of her peers. That's a significant amount of time to gain experience and perspective; however, I don't see that translate to her programs. While she looks like a women on the ice, I don't think she interprets and conveys the nuances of her programs/characters any better than some much younger than her. In fact, while Aliona is much younger than her, I think she (among others, like Rika, Anna at times, etc) manage to emote at a level that belies their young age.
I was very impressed with Liza at Stage Three. She has obviously worked very hard since Test Skates to get her 3A back and the consistency on other jumps. This looks like a great 4T, but I fear she will omit other jumps instead. Liza's main problem is her stamina. She just can't do two 3A's and triple+triples in programs nowadays. Adding a 4T might take out more steam from her...
The whole point of competing is to be the best/most important at the best/most important competition of the year, so at that one point of time. If you are the best at the competition two months or two years ago, its not important at all. The best athletes are showing their best performances when it matters the most. At Worlds (and Olympics). Like Zhenya and Alina did. That's why they are still the most popular figure skaters in Russia. And the whole point of selection should be to choose the athletes who are the best prepared for that one competition, not who were the best two months or two years ago.
I think so! It just makes sense that it's easier to control the axis as well as landing with less time in the air (provided there's enough time for rotation, of course). This is something I noticed with Kolyada. The height on his 4Lz was crazy in 2017 but he only landed it twice that season. This year, it's definitely smaller but looks much more controlled. Polina Tsurskaya and Karen Chen had the biggest triples - their 3Lz were huge but was wild in the air sometimes (they also had the issue of not rotating quickly enough as they were often UR). Valieva's 4T is probably the biggest jump in ladies right now, but sometimes her axis gets very tilted halfway through, an issue she doesn't have on her smaller triples. I also find that depending on how the force is distributed, big jumps can also have heavier landings. Sasha has a very hard landing on some of her big quads and 3A, but this isn't a problem with her smaller triples.It doesn't look like a quad. Interesting how skaters who are often pegged as "powerful" have lower quads. Rika is like this too.
I don't say this to be rude (sometimes tone is hard to gauge on the internet), because it looks very effortless. I wonder if lower quads are more consistent
It definitely can, but a lot of that is also personal. Sometimes younger people have more life experience than older ones, depending on their environment and experiences.
Oh agreed. That's why I disagreed with the blanket statement of age allows for more mature skaters and young girls can do quads but others can't. Yes, both have a tendency to favour the chance of success but are definitely only an advantageous possibility, not a guarantee.
The reason it doesn't look like a quad is because it's a very underrotated downgrade.It doesn't look like a quad. Interesting how skaters who are often pegged as "powerful" have lower quads. Rika is like this too.
I don't say this to be rude (sometimes tone is hard to gauge on the internet), because it looks very effortless. I wonder if lower quads are more consistent
Once you take off you actually cant change the axis of rotation on your jumps. If the jumps is strait it will remain so no mattter the height and if the jumps is tilted it will also remain so. Your statement do hold some truth in the case of jumps where the axis isnt stable but slowly tilting, in this case the tilting cant be stopped in the air. The more time it gets to tilt the harder it is to land. But for a skater with good takeoffs without tilt on the axis the height of the jump will have no impact on it.
That is deffenetly another thing to consider but it doesnt tie in to being able to rotate a jump as much as other things.
Philosophical? Nothing philosophical about it. Just take the video, watch it frame by frame, and see how underrotated it is.
Horizontal distance doesn't affect air time, though, so it isn't very meaningful for helping with fully rotating the actual jump itself, and such. It's just a luxury effect for higher GOE, but a completely secondary concern.
Not downgrade, but a bit on UR side though imo.
