I think you forgot Latushkina 11th with 18 points.
2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
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Darn! Surely one of them pulls out for a reason or another. I want little Dasha in. And Gorbacheva as well.
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Let me disagree and give the names of athletes who are no worse, at least, and often better in many aspects, but have never received and will not receive such GOE and PCS as these two. Tarakanova, Sinitsyna, Frolov, Gubanova, Nugumanov, Talalaikin - in comparison with Usacheva. And if you watched today's Cup, this is a dozen or more girls who were better than Petrosyan, had the best jumping technique, interesting programs and interpretation, but were dozens of points behind Petrosyan, who completely failed her performance here, and SP and FP. It is probably easy to follow the favorites, who always receive the support of the judges on behalf of the federation, which plays its medal games.
The federations don't give a damn about all these girls who are not in the pool of favorites. Lakernik said this in plain text.
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Karen Chen's spirals are longer. Eteri's programs do not offer skaters "the luxury" of the prolonged spirals, Ina Bauers, etc. Can Valievea hold the spiral position longer like Karen does? I have no clue but I see no reasons why she can't. And with such I would assert that her spirals are more impressive than Chen's because she has delicate and beautiful arm movements while doing a spiral. And Karen keeps the static position looking like an airplane. Well, Karen's spirals are very good - no doubts. If my memory does not fail me Adelina's spirals were impressive as well.
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Samodelkina completely owned the competition, both in the SP as well as the FS. Technically, at least. 3A and 4S! Very, very impressive. However, everything that bothers me about her skating felt even more pronounced today than ever. Her posture is just... ouch. Thus I cannot say that I enjoy watching her much. I guess the over the tights boots only make those issues look worse. She has artistic potential, though.
Zhilina... I felt so sorry for her, those three falls looked painful and during one of the spirals, she looked close to tears. I really hope she didn't injure herself. She seems to be a rather nervous skater, but she's so young still... Her technical ability is insane, however. Even though she failed her jumps, the technique is pristine. That lutz! The height of the 4T and the entry into it! So, the skills are all there, she "only" needs to deliver. Other than that, she has to really catch up in terms of PCS. I'm sure she's trying and she has improved but... to me it's simply incomprehensible how she could get two points more in PCS than Osokina today, especially with THREE falls. Sorry, but she should have been third today.
Speaking of Osokina... She's still not back to her test skates form, which is a shame. She looks less free and her jumping, as well as her spins, are more laboured. She loses a lot of speed during her spins, which is a shame as the positions are really unique. I still love her skating skills and presentation, though. She's such a breath of fresh air and I'm mad she didn't at least come close to Samodelkina in PCS, nevermind losing to both Zhilina and Petrosyan who bombed their programs! I realise she's not a favorite but this is almost shameless.
I was even more sad for Adelia. Happy for Liza medaling, of course but why did it have to be at the cost of Adelia?? I wanted both of them on the podium.
After Veronika's skate, I felt she had a great chance for silver. Then she stepped out of the axel. Fell on the flip. Then on the lutz... It was just not a good performance for her and I missed her usual energy, too, instead she looked worried. Understandable but still a pity - she's capable of so much more. As much as I love her, though, those PCS were way overscored. The program's not exactly a masterpiece and today she didn't perform it either. Not to mention the technical mistakes. She, along with Zhilina, should have dropped below several others in PCS. I hope she can come back at Junior Nationals. She's such a special skater, she deserves to shine.
Zhilina... I felt so sorry for her, those three falls looked painful and during one of the spirals, she looked close to tears. I really hope she didn't injure herself. She seems to be a rather nervous skater, but she's so young still... Her technical ability is insane, however. Even though she failed her jumps, the technique is pristine. That lutz! The height of the 4T and the entry into it! So, the skills are all there, she "only" needs to deliver. Other than that, she has to really catch up in terms of PCS. I'm sure she's trying and she has improved but... to me it's simply incomprehensible how she could get two points more in PCS than Osokina today, especially with THREE falls. Sorry, but she should have been third today.
Speaking of Osokina... She's still not back to her test skates form, which is a shame. She looks less free and her jumping, as well as her spins, are more laboured. She loses a lot of speed during her spins, which is a shame as the positions are really unique. I still love her skating skills and presentation, though. She's such a breath of fresh air and I'm mad she didn't at least come close to Samodelkina in PCS, nevermind losing to both Zhilina and Petrosyan who bombed their programs! I realise she's not a favorite but this is almost shameless.
I was even more sad for Adelia. Happy for Liza medaling, of course but why did it have to be at the cost of Adelia?? I wanted both of them on the podium.
After Veronika's skate, I felt she had a great chance for silver. Then she stepped out of the axel. Fell on the flip. Then on the lutz... It was just not a good performance for her and I missed her usual energy, too, instead she looked worried. Understandable but still a pity - she's capable of so much more. As much as I love her, though, those PCS were way overscored. The program's not exactly a masterpiece and today she didn't perform it either. Not to mention the technical mistakes. She, along with Zhilina, should have dropped below several others in PCS. I hope she can come back at Junior Nationals. She's such a special skater, she deserves to shine.Thanks a lot for pointing this out! Don't worry, I don't see it as criticism at all. Since I'm not a skater, only a fan with a love for writing unnecessarily long novels and swallowing (rule) books, it's only natural that I'll make lots of mistakes. So, it's good to have them shown to me, otherwise there's no way I'll learn anything from these exercises. Which would make them even more of a waste of time and I'm not keen on that happening.
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On Kamila and Alina, except for their heritage, it's only the career trajectory moving up to seniors that's similar so far. Both coming in with superior spins, age 15.
Their spins themselves look different, Alina has superior triples and combinations, Kamila has a superior axel jump and 4T. They even skate to very different styles of music and the way they carry themselves on the ice is also different. I'm not sure where else any similarities are. Actually, they have a lot of transitions which is one.
Medvedeva and Usacheva I can see. Also Shcherbakova to a lesser extent, but I find her skating different. They're all more delicate and 'light skaters'. Valieva does Storm which I can see Medvedeva perform in the same way, and then Bolero which Alina would perform similarly. But I think she does Storm way better, plus Girl with a Ball and Exogenesis.
Alina and Trusova give me power-skater vibes, but the way they perform is as similar as Shcherbakova is to Medvedeva or even less. Even Aliona gives me more power-skater vibes sometimes but performs differently.
Their spins themselves look different, Alina has superior triples and combinations, Kamila has a superior axel jump and 4T. They even skate to very different styles of music and the way they carry themselves on the ice is also different. I'm not sure where else any similarities are. Actually, they have a lot of transitions which is one.
Medvedeva and Usacheva I can see. Also Shcherbakova to a lesser extent, but I find her skating different. They're all more delicate and 'light skaters'. Valieva does Storm which I can see Medvedeva perform in the same way, and then Bolero which Alina would perform similarly. But I think she does Storm way better, plus Girl with a Ball and Exogenesis.
Alina and Trusova give me power-skater vibes, but the way they perform is as similar as Shcherbakova is to Medvedeva or even less. Even Aliona gives me more power-skater vibes sometimes but performs differently.
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I know no one here is calling Adelya "mini Zhenya" (anymore at least) but seeing those comments, despite knowing they have good intentions (probably), makes me kind of upset. She's not "mini Zhenya", she's Adelya Petrosyan, her own person, not a replica of someone else. Saying she's similar to Zhenya in skating style is a much better way of saying it (imo).
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Adelia was asked about it, and I believe she said she’s happy she’s being compared to Medvedeva.
I understand your point though, it has a feel as if it diminishes Adelia’s individuality, but she still has a way to go and establish a big name for herself in Russia
with time, hopefully, she’ll become as or more famous one day!
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My guess is that people who say it means it as a compliment. Zenya is and was a verry loved and admired skater not to mention 2 time world champion. OG silver medalist and another world bronze. At this point in her carrer I think it is a compliment and should be considered as such. However she is of course her own person and as she becomes more well known the comparison will probably be less valuable. I just think there are many Zenya fans sad to se her no performing well that is now transfering some of that love onto Petrosyan.
I guess my point here is that for any Novice or first year junior skater to be compared to a world champion is a form of praise and should be considered as such. However she is her own person and when talking to her or about her we shouldnt call her anything other than her own name (or a well established nickname) and not as a new version of any former famous skater.
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I really hope Sonya Samodelkina fixes her posture because that's probably the biggest (and my only) issue with her skating. Her posture is fine in the step sequence, but it's kind of bad during crossovers and jump entrances. She's such an amazing skater otherwise though.
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That goes two ways as I'm sure Karen could move her arms during the spiral if she wanted to as well.
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Osokina's 3Lz-3T was perfect, I wish the GOE would match it.
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I thought part of the reason is that some people see a physical resemblance between the two skaters.
The only thing I've noticed is she tends to drop her head, especially before jumps. Should be fixable, just a bad habit. All in all, the last seven skaters today were amazing kids-even those who missed jumps here and there. Watching Sophia, makes me so sad that she will not get her Junior Grand Prix season. So unfair.
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It depends really, posture is sometimes very related to the personal body physiology. It wouldn't be fair to judge skaters (overall) based on the look of their body, on their natural posture.
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I think she just hunches over on jump takeoffs (the 3A takeoff is especially bad). In the step sequence she looks fine and is standing up straight with great posture. So I think it might just be a bad habit or something, easily fixable.
In this article on the offical website of the Russian Fed, published by Olga Ermolina, spokesperson of Russian Fed, it says the Nastia's SP has been choregraphed by Adian and the FP by Anna Novichkina: Анастасия Тараканова: «Для спортсмена очень важно работать с тренером, который верит в него» (fsrussia.ru).
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May be, although it is safe to assume that with arm movements keeping the balance while doing a spiral is a bigger challenge.
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I wonder if that's just because the majority of fans aren't of Armenian heritage. A bit like how some Europeans seem to think all Asians look the same, and some Asians seem to think that all Europeans look the same.
Maybe someone could ask Rafael Arutunian or Artur Danielian for their opinion.
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With what we saw today, everyone could bet that this will be the podium of the junior Russian nationals: Akatieva - Samodelkina (fight for the gold) and Berestovskaia bronze. Akatieva and Petrosyan with their disastrous skating have nothing to do in the fight for the podium of the nationals since they are today 50 points from the bronze.
A great respect for Davydov, always serious, even-tempered and without spouting disrespectful comments like a certain beginning coach. Seeing Davydov makes one think of what Dudakov must have been like in his youth, possibly not much different.
Considering that Valieva and Usacheva are senior skaters if Davydov wins the nationals by putting his 2 girls on the podium he can without a doubt be called the best junior coach of the year.
A great respect for Davydov, always serious, even-tempered and without spouting disrespectful comments like a certain beginning coach. Seeing Davydov makes one think of what Dudakov must have been like in his youth, possibly not much different.
Considering that Valieva and Usacheva are senior skaters if Davydov wins the nationals by putting his 2 girls on the podium he can without a doubt be called the best junior coach of the year.
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