So you can perfectly see the status of the Flip edge there but didn't see a Lze for Daria, even when shown the Flip and Lutz in the same competition side by side from a zoomed in slowmo. I seriously fail to see where this moral superiority on cherry-picking comes from.
Daria is great and I agree, but TES is always easier to quantify and evaluate every single day of the week compared with PCS.
Daria`s wrong edge has not been called , step sequence received + GOE of stumbling. But all this is fair. Undoubtedly.
It’s part of it, since it’s part of the program, but SS are expected and should be demonstrated throughout the whole program. No one assesses TR based on StSq, I’m pretty sure.
Ironically, I would've chosen SS and TR as the categories to deduct from for it. A stumble means the transition isn't executed well and you need skating skills to do them. I consider a major error in terms of PCS since it's a visible mistake unlike when levels are dropped due to not meeting the technical requirements. For example, you can do a level 2 step sequence well and get good GOE for it but you can't "do a stumble well" and get good rewarded for it. Hope that makes sense.
A very convenient way to justify unrighteous judging. The main thing - it is most of objective method. Can be used in any situation whenever you want.
Agreed. That's why I don't have a problem with Anna's PCS today. They are high, but everyone's was to varying extents - it's nationals. And she does have the reputation for it - they're not even crazily above what she gets internationally. Although, even just looking at just this program, she performed it sooo well. She was exquisite. She wasn't perfect, but her spin mistake didn't take away from the overall program and therefore, it makes sense that that is reflected.
I highly doubt that. International judges follow national federations. They know which skater is 1, which skater is 2, etc. according to the federation and tend to score accordingly.
Well, if they try, they will get a letter from RusFed to put them straight .....
I’m not saying this is how things are judged, I’m saying in her case there was both judging that ignored a technical mistake and reputational judging that held back the other part of her score. Doesn’t make sense to discuss only one thing in her score, one needs to talk about it as a whole.A very convenient way to justify unrighteous judging. The main thing - it is most of objective method. Can be used in any situation whenever you want.
I wonder for any omissions in the technique has not been rewarded in the PC Lisa Nugumanova?
The damage to the reputation of Russian figure skaters will also hit Plushenko. If Rika Kihira suddenly wins the Olympics, the authorities will blame Plushenko for his "irrepressible ambitions, which destroyed the Eteri factory" and led to such a final.
Kihira may win the Olympics even with Russian judges the way she is going. Haha
You say this as if Kihira can't win on her own merit.
It would've made more sense if you'd said any other skater but Kihira has always kept up with the Russians.By the way, that's a very interesting question. How would the Russian judges judge Rika Kihira today if she were to perform in Russia? Would she overtake Shcherbakova? I think Rika might even be the first
I mean she very well may win regardless of Russian judges entirely. She certainly has the tech and PCS to compete with the best Russia has to offer.
I don't think that's how it works. Even if the judges didn't overscore certain Russians they have the tech content to win anyways. What will Plushenko bring? Some edge calls and slight PCS balances? That's not going to lower Kamila's score by ten or twenty points (honestly, it probably won't lower her score by four or five points). That might lower Anya's score, but not detrimentally (a slight chance of elements performed could make the damage around 6-8 points in BV, which she can make up in PCS and spins). It won't even lower Sasha's by much either (she's already getting meh PCS so they won't go much lower, and they'll probably be taking the flip out of programs). Unless someone suddenly declares that they must look at prerotation, these skaters won't be hurt much by just a ! call and like -.50 in PCS.
I don't know how related this is to the thread but I would certainly put her in first given her performance. No question about it. (Yeah shaky combo whatever, she did a great 3A and had great steps and spins).
