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2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating
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Anna wasn't maxed out at RusNats. She can add another quad (4Lz or 4F) in combo to what she did at RusNats and has cleanly in the past. Anna hasn't been 100% clean either. Today too she missed her 3Lo.
Although, yes. Both scores were inflated. (And others were too.) But Anna's been the underdog before - she was to Sasha and Aliona even as recently as last year. Sasha too has the tech even this year to beat her.
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I do think Anna knows she does need to upgrade. But she's been talking about adding a 3A/4T before. So..let's see? Sasha too will need to upgrade/stabilize and needs the 3A in the short. Aliona needs her 3As back (and ideally a quad because she's not getting as much of a PCS advantage to Anna/Kamila but at least the 3As). Liza needs probably a quad but most importantly a bit better layout - but she was wonderful today! But Kamila also just had the best skate of her life by a long shot here. So...
Kamila is in pretty good shape for next season. She'll probably work on another type of quad just to give herself some room, but she doesn't "need" it. But also, puberty will likely hit. I already see her growing a lot this season. She's been dealing with it quite well so far (rippon to fix wabbly axis...), I just hope she doesn't grow too much. Her body type reminds me of Alina (they're also both Tatars ethnically) and she clearly develops a bit early than Alina.
On the other hand, puberty has been treating Sasha and Anya nicely...
Anya seems to have the body type that just doesn't grow too much - Anya's mom is also quite slim.
Sasha - gained mostly muscles, and I think she has the chance of having the longest skating career among these ladies (she mentioned in some interview that she wants to do 2 Olympics?)
Anyhow...right now it seems like these three will be the strongest contender for next year's Olympics!
On the other hand, puberty has been treating Sasha and Anya nicely...
Anya seems to have the body type that just doesn't grow too much - Anya's mom is also quite slim.
Sasha - gained mostly muscles, and I think she has the chance of having the longest skating career among these ladies (she mentioned in some interview that she wants to do 2 Olympics?)
Anyhow...right now it seems like these three will be the strongest contender for next year's Olympics!
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Yeah I think the pre-emptive Olympic team is still the same - Anna, Kamila, and Sasha. But..lots can change in a year.
If she continues to allegedly jump while injured in unnecessary competitions and exhibitions then I don't think she'll have a long career.
I have her 5 pts for the clean 4F because she only had a step out at nationals last year. No fall or underrotation.
Oh I see hmmm. We could also use Anna's SP score from here which was 82.89 so her total would be 273.83
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I enjoyed Kamila's FS more at Nationals. Maybe with one less difficult element, she had more time for the choreography? I'm not sure. I thought her triple axel yesterday was basically perfect, today it was clearly landed on an inside edge, making me grimace instead of cheer.
Also, predicting Olympic results between Anna and Kamila based on exclusively domestic inflated/cheated/skewed scoring is a little silly.
Also, predicting Olympic results between Anna and Kamila based on exclusively domestic inflated/cheated/skewed scoring is a little silly.
Agreed!
I think Sasha's 3A is already in good shape, she just needs to have that mentality for it.
Kami's 3A looks promising - we'll see in long run if she actually nailed it.
Anya and Dasha...come on!! Dasha's 2A has always been huge. I believe I've seen Anya's ground 3A about 3-4 years ago. She just needs bit more height and I do see her height on the 2A getting better and better this season.
I think both Kamila and Anna has the potential of about 275pts. Mentally though, Anna will be at significant disadvantage with -8pts behind after the SP. But who knows - this girl has been amazing at dealing with insurmountable pressure ever since her junior jgpf.
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Another thing too is as we saw the the men (and not just here with the exception of Nathan Chen and Hanyu and even they've been not perfect in the past), multiple quads and 3As in one programs is...difficult. And ice is slippery.
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Anna has been at a disadvantage coming from the SP in the past though. For example, she's always been significantly behind Aliona after the FS.
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Another thing too..this was a team for fun event. It remains to be seen what happens when they is actually something on the line. None of them have competed for World's/Olympic spots with so much on the line and so many challengers for 3 spots before. Kamila/Daria/Maiia have yet to compete for Euros/Senior World's spots at all or even senior national spots. And Anna, Aliona, and Sasha have yet to not be relative locks for spots when competing. Really only Sasha was a "slight" question mark last year and she WAS going. That's not the case for Aliona now. And it's not going to be the case for any of them next year.
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I would disagree with that. Anna has shown she does quite well under pressure. Yes, today she singled her 3Lo but at this tech level one can't expect flawless performances every single time. She also still did not fall a single time this season which is quite amazing. As for Kamila, there I think the nerves can play bigger role.
All in all, if both Anna and Kamila are clean, I think it could be very tight currently if Anna will add the third quad. There were rumours about her trying 4T but we will see only later. I guess throughout summer both Anna and Kamila will do everything to maximize their technical difficulty (and their chances to win the gold).
So you mean she wants to go for 4 quads overall?
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Yup.
Or the goal is 3 quads - 4Lz, 4F, and one of 4F-3T or 4Lz-3T (she can do both it might just be whichever is more stable) and then whichever she gets first of a 4T or 3A. She's already started working on both. She was trying earlier but then got sick so that's the plan for next year.
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I take as pretty clear that she will go for three quads at worlds if possible, and potentially gaining another quad (4T?)/3A during summer. Esp. if she will be succesful with three quads.
Three at worlds is a given. I would definitely focus on the 3A though. The SP advantage will get her just that additional bit of cushion and psychological comfort.
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Yeah that's the goal. Is it achievable? Let's see.
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Well I think she's already planning on a third quad (one of 4F or 4Lz in combo for worlds). That was originally the plan for nationals but getting sick derailed that. She's landed all of that before anyway - RusNats last year.
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