Well, your post is quite a discriminatory one.
The age of consent is 16 in Russia. That's all you need to know.
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The age of consent is 16 in Russia. That's all you need to know.
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Who's the next age-eligible girl in line?
There is already Nugumanova behind her as second substitute. I don't think usually a fed has a line of subs for replacing subs lol.
I am not sure, where in my last comment I stated my tolerance towards honesty and dishonesty nor I expressed wish to join any private rink. I am really surprised that your eristic move in that matter was to suggest that I said something I didn't, moreover make me look like my morality would allow me to accept dishonesty and tricking minors, but hey, maybe that was my bad English. You on the other hand suggested superior morality, even though you think that being an adult, signing a document allows you to ignore the content of this document, because the other side is known to blab with the press and having material stability.
I simply referred to the legal aspect of that situation and it seems like more or less we do agree on that.
On the other hand - do I feel for her? Yes, I do, whatever she did (good or bad) it's not easy to find yourself in a situation where your career and material safety is in danger and I do not wish to join the debate whether she deserves to be in trouble or not. Do I feel like Plushenko and his wife were all concerned and honest in this situation? Hell no. The problem is that Kostornaia's representatives signed the contract and my assumption is, they did it willingly and it is not ok to suggest that she could breach it, because they have money and they wouldn't mind. That's why there are contracts: so both sides can read, negotiate and be safe.
At the end, I completely agree with what you said about health and damage.
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Some of the best skaters in the world have done that. I remember Kostner returned to Huth after her short time with Frank Carroll, and Brian Joubert also went from one coach to another and back all the time. I think it's absolutely fine for a skater to try another coaching approach and then realize it's not working out. The one thing she didn't do right, is to not do this in the official coaching change time slot (whatever this is called
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Sorry if I misinterpreted or misunderstood you.
I mentioned enrolling in a private school run by a producer (AoP), just because you said it’s not okay to tell not to enroll in any private school (which is misunderstanding on your part). That wasn’t my suggestion, also not a suggestion to you or other forum members, or skaters. I simply wanted to highlight that fact, that’s why I said I’m not telling you or anyone else what to do. I just personally hope it’s a lesson for Aliona personally to avoid these kinds of deals in the future, that’s all. It did seem like it didn’t work out well for her with this kind of private school, so I hope it will be a learning experience for her. Suggesting for all people to avoid all kinds of private schools VS hoping Aliona learns from this, can you spot the difference?
It did seem to me that your tone was “well since legally it’s clean - it’s fine!”. I just don’t agree with that. That’s why I have an example of payday loans earlier, legally it’s a clean deal, morally it’s not. But apparently I misinterpreted your words, so I guess we’re on the same page on this one.
I never suggested in any shape or form to not pay their way out or ignore those liabilities. You misunderstood or misinterpreted me. I was simply discussing what I believe to be the real motivations behind this. Again, not suggesting them not to pay, I was talking about why they’re making Aliona pay in the first place. Spot the difference?
You don’t have to agree with me, I just think that this is the real reason.
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Flowers for Eteri were much cheaper...
But since she got Sasha and Alyona from a state school, then, well, screw that school.
Is the employer responsible for the quality of training? What if it's not worth its money?
I think after what happened to Alyona, young Russian skaters and their parents will stay as far away as possible from any private school with contracts.It's certainly interesting though, I went back to read Flanker's arguments () about contracts, and it says some Russians themselves wanted contacts to be established. What are the opinions now?
Most schools and teams including Sambo and TT unofficially provide promising novices with as much support as they need to stay there, until they can provide for themselves and support the school in return.
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Plyushchenko delivered everything he promised to her. Kostornaya got a famous choreographer, sponsors, ice time and even a personal house. He said she won't be charged for all the things he had to pay, but that obviously implied she'll stay with him.
It was no secret that Plyushchenko is an inexperienced coach, neither is Rozanov. They did what they could to help her.
And to sign a contract with her mother was the most obvious and sane thing to do in that case. The girl acted irrational. There was a high chance she could do this again.
I don't see him as a bad guy here
It was no secret that Plyushchenko is an inexperienced coach, neither is Rozanov. They did what they could to help her.
And to sign a contract with her mother was the most obvious and sane thing to do in that case. The girl acted irrational. There was a high chance she could do this again.
I don't see him as a bad guy here
Yes, this overly dramatic virtue signalling is a very nasty habit in our modern, western social media culture
Plush is a good guy. Overambitious? Certainly. He wouldn't have become an Olympic champ without that 14 carat ambition. But, hey, he has a very very looooong way to go before he can become a celebrated coach. Yes, his wife has money. Money can buy him opportunities, but it cannot buy him reputation.
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Unfortunately, your entire argument is based solely on fantasies and guesswork. You accuse publicly without the slightest basis and speak in the same breath of honor. Excuse me, but that is really a paradox and I hope that in real life you will not hold an office in which you have to decide human fate.
You have to be blind in both eyes so as not to see who is throwing whom into chaos.
Let's take a look at the facts for a change instead of spreading rumors about the alleged (!) Pitfalls and interests with which the evil AoP is plunging the poor Kostornaya family into misery.
Alena knocked on Plushenko's door as a supplicant via Rozanov.
He asked that a potential transition should be thoroughly reconsidered.
Result: Kostornaya leaves her old team outside of the transfer window for reasons that have not yet been clarified.
AoP takes them on, although Sambo70 continues to get state funding.
AoP gives free of charge:
- your dream coach (almost as a personal coach)
- as much ice time as you want
- a total of 4 programs as desired
- as many costumes
- a well-known foreign choreographer
- medical care
- your own house directly at the base
- Sponsorship agreements
In return, Alyona gives (presumably):
- the assurance to train for a defined period of time at AoP and to compete for AoP competitions.
Sounds to me like a more than fair deal and you will not find a bank in this world that offers you such conditions, because from a purely financial perspective, AoP bore 100% of the financial risk!
If you stick to the agreement, everything is free of charge, if you break the agreement, you will reimburse the costs.
Obviously, one contract partner kept his promises and the other did not. And if the "free of charge" was tied to a certain period of time (I think there is no doubt about it), then Alyona and her mother were aware of this fact and they have decided in full health to enter into this deal.
I cannot see any unethical behavior, on the contrary.
There is really nothing more to say here. At least not for people who think logically without rose-colored Alyona fan glasses.
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Except the most important thing - the results.
This situation proves what people have been worried about from the beginning - it is a huge risk for a novice coach and manager to take responsibility for the best skaters in world before he has proven results with other athletes. Money, ambitions and intentions don’t do the hard & dedicated coaching work, do not build a organization with steady, reliable and repeatable process, and do not solve every problem. And definitely do not buy character and respect.
So the big mystery to me is: Why does Alena want to leave?
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Or better: Why NOW? From the outside, the timing is completely inappropriate. Who knows what game is being played behind the scenes.
Come on, the one who begged plushy to take her was Alena herself, her parents didn’t want her to leave Eteri and they signed because it was what her daughter wanted.
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Aside from the fact that the same argument could be played in the opposite direction, I hardly believe that either or both contractors have promised any particular results. That would also be extremely foolish.
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I get that Aliona was achieving no where near the same results as before, but I don’t think that that is AOP fault. She has a lot of health issues that really effected her training and if you aren’t consistently training it’s going to be hard to have consistently clean skates (even though she actually didn’t have that bad of a season, given everything, once you look at it). I’m not sure this was the right move because I feel like with her back at Sambo, she might expect to be quickly whipped up into shape and back to her old form. Based on her (reported) health issues, I don’t think they are magically going to go away. She’ll still have stamina issues because of covid, she might still have after effects from covid, and she might still be going through her other physical injuries as well (didn’t someone say she had a stress fracture earlier this season? Or something like that, I don’t know there’s so many statements haha).
OT, but I really wish she would be able to keep her new free skate from RCF, it has the potential to be really great... and the dress was really nice lol.
OT, but I really wish she would be able to keep her new free skate from RCF, it has the potential to be really great... and the dress was really nice lol.
it’s a private school I’m sure Alena and her parents were aware that it costs a lot and it was an opportunity to be provided with all she needs with good conditions. They don’t have to pay for rent or anything else.
Honestly you can’t have your cake and eat too.
The big mystery for me was why did she leave Eteri after winning all the events except the national
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