2020-21 Russian Ladies' Figure Skating

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Uhhh or it could just be disrespectful.... I already said it: throwing the efforts of the skater out of the window and calling them a product.

Why not forget all the hard work the skaters put in? It's so easy for us sitting here. Travelling 2.5 hours, then participating in rigorous physical activity the whole day, and then 2.5 hours back, 6 days a week. A piece of cake.

The amount of mental fortitude and dedication needed is ridiculous. Other skaters are praised for climbing up the ranks from down in the depths, but no not Aliona. Just a typical product at work.

I see it differently and I have no issues with the term "product ". Thousands of skaters in Russia travel long hours and participate in rigorous physical activity. None of them showed the progress comparable with what Aliona showed with TT. Well, may be Alina, surely also with TT. The minute she took off her skating started to degrade. If it were just about injuries, angina, and coronavirus we wouldn't have the current situation when SHE wants back not the other way around. Nothing disrespectful here. It's just the reality. Without TT it is unlikely that we saw how Aliona can skate. I mean last season. Of course, it was Alena who skated, not Eteri. But Eteri showed everyone that her method can provide the never ending stream of skaters of Aliona 's caliber and even better. No disrespect - just the reality, like it or not.

 

[starlight97]

Except the most important thing - the results.

This is ridiculous.
Alena is my favorite skater and Plushenko is the character I dislike the most in the world of FS and I face palmed when she went to him.
But this is absolutely not his fault. He is in the right here, Alena is in the wrong, if there even is an argument.

She very recklessly dumped her old coach, who had already delivered her 2 programs, outside of the transfer window, to join Plushenko's private school.
Obviously he signed a contract or whatever legal agreement with her and her parents. Most normal thing in the world, especially with a girl who you have just watched behave as described above.
According to every info we've heard so far, she was provided every service and facility under the sun there in order to nurture her success. Including 4(!) programs, mostly by an overseas star choreographer who charges accordingly.
Now she makes another out of nowhere move and wants back to Eteri after having consumed all these resources for free and just get away with it? Come on.

Her not delivering any results is due to:
- her injuries
- her Covid infection
- her own decisions
Not Plushenko, as much as it goes against my nature to state that.

 

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ffff

Sure sure. She was asking for trouble? Lol, way to blame a victim.

An average Russian girl vs. famous Russian producer with a legal team. The contract is totally fair (why’s there are so many scandals whenever Russian artists try to leave producers? They’re all so fair?)

let’s not be naive.

Was this contract fair? I guess we’ll never know because NDA and Yana’s legal team will keep Aliona silent.

Y’all are seriously debating how is it okay that she’s in this trouble now? This money won’t put a dent in Plushenko family budget, perhaps they’ll do with one Dior outfit less. We all know that it likely puts Aliona in big trouble, and simply serves as public punishment and scare tactic for their future “runaways”.

A big lesson learned for her anyway: stay away from private schools run by producers, don’t trust a single word that comes out of Plushenko’s mouth, and hire a psychologist to forget those last 6 months like a bad dream.

Somehow Pluschenko 's most outspoken supporters keep silent. Have they changed their mind on the person or there's just nothing to say?

 

[Lechat]

This is ridiculous.
Alena is my favorite skater and Plushenko is the character I dislike the most in the world of FS and I face palmed when she went to him.
But this is absolutely not his fault. He is in the right here, Alena is in the wrong, if there even is an argument.

She very recklessly dumped her old coach, who had already delivered her 2 programs, outside of the transfer window, to join Plushenko's private school.
Obviously he signed a contract or whatever legal agreement with her and her parents. Most normal thing in the world, especially with a girl who you have just watched behave as described above.
According to every info we've heard so far, she was provided every service and facility under the sun there in order to nurture her success. Including 4(!) programs, mostly by an overseas star choreographer who charges accordingly.
Now she makes another out of nowhere move and wants back to Eteri after having consumed all these resources for free and just get away with it? Come on.

Her not delivering any results is due to:
- her injuries
- her Covid infection
- her own decisions
Not Plushenko, as much as it goes against my nature to state that.

I agree, it’s not plushy’s fault (I’m not his fan) if Alena has health issues and can’t deliver.

 

[chasingneverland]

Folks, the contract was between AoP club and Aliona's mother. I believe Aliona has a good legal case, as she, being a minor is not responsible for the action of her parent.

Contracts with minors are tricky. As sometimes they are enforceable by the minor but not against the minor. But regardless, Aliona doesn't have power of attorney, her mother does. Because a minor cannot sign a contract, a parent as a legal guardian must. It would be non-legally binding in Aliona HAD signed. And regardless, it doesn't make a difference because Aliona still needs money to pay for Eteri. And someone needs to pay Plushy - and it won't be Eteri so the money has to come from somewhere. She has a stripend coming next year but not this year. That's already spent.

 

[chasingneverland]

The big mystery for me was why did she leave Eteri after winning all the events except the national

One reason that has been given is she wasn't getting her 3A back and she was scared she wouldn't without Sergei R. Basically she panicked. But I worry that's a bit of what's going on too.

 

[Skatesocs]

Because a minor cannot sign a contract, a parent as a legal guardian must. It would be non-legally binding in Aliona HAD signed.

I do not see why you keep saying this. Apart from what has already been linked in the thread a few times before, you simply do not know Russian Labour Law.

 

[chasingneverland]

This is ridiculous.
Alena is my favorite skater and Plushenko is the character I dislike the most in the world of FS and I face palmed when she went to him.
But this is absolutely not his fault. He is in the right here, Alena is in the wrong, if there even is an argument.

She very recklessly dumped her old coach, who had already delivered her 2 programs, outside of the transfer window, to join Plushenko's private school.
Obviously he signed a contract or whatever legal agreement with her and her parents. Most normal thing in the world, especially with a girl who you have just watched behave as described above.
According to every info we've heard so far, she was provided every service and facility under the sun there in order to nurture her success. Including 4(!) programs, mostly by an overseas star choreographer who charges accordingly.
Now she makes another out of nowhere move and wants back to Eteri after having consumed all these resources for free and just get away with it? Come on.

Her not delivering any results is due to:
- her injuries
- her Covid infection
- her own decisions
Not Plushenko, as much as it goes against my nature to state that.

That's how I see it too. I can't stand Plushy (sorry moose haha) but I think he's done right by Sasha and Alena. He's tried to give them everything they need to succeed. He's also given them anything they want - programs, ice time, etc. Yes, he's seemed distant with Aliona but he didn't abandon her - he gave her new programs when she wanted them and brought in her old coach to try to help. He also tried to get her medical help, etc. Also she primary moved to him to work with Sergei R anyway.

Her injuries and COVID were factors outside of his control, especially her prior ones.

 

[Lechat]

Well, I didn’t know if Eteri was going to take her back with all those issues facing Aliona, but I hope we can say she did? I would wait for official confirmation, but this gives hope.

I think she can skate at crystal rink but she can’t train with them if the contract with plushy is still valid

 

[yume]

So the big mystery to me is: Why does Alena want to leave?

If next season wasn't an olympic season maybe Kostornaia would have stayed one more year, to see if she could improve. But that season is too much important to take risks. So she chose safety by going back to the coach with whom she won everything.

 

[chasingneverland]

I do not see why you keep saying this. Apart from what has already been linked in the thread a few times before, you simply do not know Russian Labour Law.

Because there is a difference between legal capacity and dispositive capacity. And between 14-18 you only have partial dispositive capacity in Russia. And Aliona only has partial dispositive capacity. Yes, in Russia.

Basically with partial dispositive capacity you can't enter into a contract without your parents/legal guardians consent. Otherwise the contract is void. Yes, in Russia.

 

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This is ridiculous.
Alena is my favorite skater and Plushenko is the character I dislike the most in the world of FS and I face palmed when she went to him.
But this is absolutely not his fault. He is in the right here, Alena is in the wrong, if there even is an argument.

She very recklessly dumped her old coach, who had already delivered her 2 programs, outside of the transfer window, to join Plushenko's private school.
Obviously he signed a contract or whatever legal agreement with her and her parents. Most normal thing in the world, especially with a girl who you have just watched behave as described above.
According to every info we've heard so far, she was provided every service and facility under the sun there in order to nurture her success. Including 4(!) programs, mostly by an overseas star choreographer who charges accordingly.
Now she makes another out of nowhere move and wants back to Eteri after having consumed all these resources for free and just get away with it? Come on.

Her not delivering any results is due to:
- her injuries
- her Covid infection
- her own decisions
Not Plushenko, as much as it goes against my nature to state that.

Ridiculous? That's the label I would avoid unless the person in question (Alyona) would laugh on the notion that she's leaving because of the lack of results. Vice versa one can easily say "ridiculous" to the opposite arguments. Because the most logical explanation is that Alyona has realized that AOP for whatever reason won't bring her to the Olympic team. Forget about OGM - even no team. And last year she stated quite clearly that she wanted to retire after the games. And one could read between the lines "with OGM". Yes, it is about results. She might feel desperate seeing such a meteoric fall after such a meteoric rise. And maybe she has realized that TT is her only hope. That's why she and her family decided to do it knowing what a mess it would create.

 

[Kittosuni]

I keep reading that this contract signing style between a skater and a club is something new in Russia so Im not surprise that there are so many red flags after reading Kostornaya's situation.

Hopefully this will serve as a lesson to all skater/parent going into such contracts to any skating club to hire a lawyer that will represent YOU during negotiation. Do not rely with the legal team of the other party. You might know what you want from that contract but your lawyer is there to interpret it word for word to make sure you dont get your self to a similar legal issues like this.

It's pretty clear that Kostornaya's mother went into contract by herself without being repesented by her own lawyer. It is even more disappointing that she went back with her daughter yesterday just by themselves to deal with Plushenko's wife while she was armed with their own army of legal team that most likely the one who drafted that contract.

Note to Kostornaya and future skaters; the army of legal team that Plushenko has was hired to serve Plushenko's interest and not yours. No matter what Plushenko or her wife says to you, you have to remember that at the end of the day, AoP is a business and the contract they drafted is to benefit them. So bring your own legal team before signing anything.

 

[chasingneverland]

Ridiculous? That's the label I would avoid unless the person in question (Alyona) would laugh on the notion that she's leaving because of the lack of results. Vice versa one can easily say "ridiculous" to the opposite arguments. Because the most logical explanation is that Alyona has realized that AOP for whatever reason won't bring her to the Olympic team. Forget about OGM - even no team. And last year she stated quite clearly that she wanted to retire after the games. And one could read between the lines "with OGM". Yes, it is about results. She might feel desperate seeing such a meteoric fall after such a meteoric rise. And maybe she has realized that TT is her only hope. That's why she and her family decided to do it knowing what a mess it would create.

Aliona has said that she wants to skate for a longer time and not retire after the Games now. One year seems to soon to her now.

 

[chasingneverland]

I think she can skate at crystal rink but she can’t train with them if the contract with plushy is still valid

Crystal is a public rink so she can skate there.

 

[silveruskate]

Or better: Why NOW? From the outside, the timing is completely inappropriate. Who knows what game is being played behind the scenes.

Frankly, I wouldn't defend either of her decisions now. The decision to leave, and the decision to come back. If I was going to guess, I just think she panicked. I'm not sure what she was expecting considering she wasn't in any good shape to do it, but she really wanted to make Worlds and train the 3A. She saw the results of Kamila/Daria/Maiia compared to her own and panicked.

I'm not convinced Plushenko in the end would have been bad for her, but it's Olympic season. Her results with Eteri speak for themselves. And the big gamble is to cut your losses, go back and hope for the best.

 

[Fried]

(...) It's pretty clear that Kostornaya's mother went into contract by herself without being repesented by her own lawyer. It is even more disappointing that she went back with her daughter yesterday just by themselves to deal with Plushenko's wife while she was armed with their own army of legal team that most likely the one who drafted that contract.

Note to Kostornaya and future skaters; the army of legal team that Plushenko has was hired to serve Plushenko's interest and not yours. No matter what Plushenko or her wife says to you, you have to remember that at the end of the day, AoP is a business and the contract they drafted is to benefit them. So bring your own legal team before signing anything.

So? Is that clear? I don't think so. I think you want to sell your guess as a fact. Do you really think the contract was signed on the kitchen table or the hood of a car? Is Alyona's mother an 80-year-old grandma who is sold a newspaper subscription at your doorstep? I know RLT-posters love drama, but keep on the carpet. I am firmly convinced that Alyona's mother got the contract before the signing date to study. And I firmly believe that she knew exactly what the conditions were. However, there are people who consciously ignore risks without worrying because they have always succeeded in getting out of everything cleanly or with a black eye, because someone always hires something for them. I shouldn't be surprised if this is the case again now. Unfortunately, the learning effect is exactly zero. On to the next chaos, it always goes on somehow. Somebody always saves your A_s.

 

[Fried]

Frankly, I wouldn't defend either of her decisions now. The decision to leave, and the decision to come back. If I was going to guess, I just think she panicked. I'm not sure what she was expecting considering she wasn't in any good shape to do it, but she really wanted to make Worlds and train the 3A. She saw the results of Kamila/Daria/Maiia compared to her own and panicked.

I'm not convinced Plushenko in the end would have been bad for her, but it's Olympic season. Her results with Eteri speak for themselves. And the big gamble is to cut your losses, go back and hope for the best.

Yes, and add the Etri bonus to your list for the referee rating. Alyona finally saw the 20 point gap between Anja and Sasha.

 

[Amei]

Crystal is a public rink so she can skate there.

Hopefully Sambo and Eteri and her team have made sure that they are protected from legal action with Kostornaia training there as its a publicly available rink and are making sure there is a clear separation from Eteri and her coaches when Kostornaia is at the rink so there is no hint they are training her. Whatever anyone's opinion on the agreed upon contract between Kostornaia and the Plushenko's, I think we can all agree Sambo and Eteri are innocent in this mess as of right now, they just need to make sure they stay that way.

 

[silveruskate]

I see it differently and I have no issues with the term "product ". Thousands of skaters in Russia travel long hours and participate in rigorous physical activity. None of them showed the progress comparable with what Aliona showed with TT. Well, may be Alina, surely also with TT. The minute she took off her skating started to degrade. If it were just about injuries, angina, and coronavirus we wouldn't have the current situation when SHE wants back not the other way around. Nothing disrespectful here. It's just the reality. Without TT it is unlikely that we saw how Aliona can skate. I mean last season. Of course, it was Alena who skated, not Eteri. But Eteri showed everyone that her method can provide the never ending stream of skaters of Aliona 's caliber and even better. No disrespect - just the reality, like it or not.

Like I said, I prefer giving credit to the skaters. Not everyone becomes a star, even with Eteri. We'll agree to disagree.