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Crystal is a public rink so she can skate there.

Hopefully Sambo and Eteri and her team have made sure that they are protected from legal action with Kostornaia training there as its a publicly available rink and are making sure there is a clear separation from Eteri and her coaches when Kostornaia is at the rink so there is no hint they are training her. Whatever anyone's opinion on the agreed upon contract between Kostornaia and the Plushenko's, I think we can all agree Sambo and Eteri are innocent in this mess as of right now, they just need to make sure they stay that way.
Khrustal'nyi is NOT a public rink (in the sense that anyone can just walk in and skate there whenever they want during open hours); it's a part of Sambo-70 sport school that provides ice training facilities to Sambo skaters (free of cost) and to so called 'general' groups (paid, and with a long queue to get in to train with known coaches). Alyona can skate there as a Sambo skater.
Sambo/TeamTut do not need any protection from legal action since they will not be breaching any contracts if Alyona trains there, her mum will (if Rudkovskaya is to be believed). And Alyona's mum can always declare herself bankrupt and let Rudkovskaya try to collect on that.
 
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False advertising is a prosecutable offence in my country, hence what's happening now is hard for me to stomach. Perhaps Plushy genuinely did not know the state of affairs but Yana has let him go loudly making untrue statements. Perhaps this is why she keeps emphasising that AoP have fulfilled all their contractual obligations. I hope all the coaches and parents of all the kids who train there have read their contracts carefully.
 
Hopefully Sambo and Eteri and her team have made sure that they are protected from legal action with Kostornaia training there as its a publicly available rink and are making sure there is a clear separation from Eteri and her coaches when Kostornaia is at the rink so there is no hint they are training her. Whatever anyone's opinion on the agreed upon contract between Kostornaia and the Plushenko's, I think we can all agree Sambo and Eteri are innocent in this mess as of right now, they just need to make sure they stay that way.
They wouldn't be culpable in any way, when it's Aliona's mother who signed the contract. And from the way the meeting with Rudkovskaya went, it seems to me like Aliona was willing to pay the money and leave. There was no hint from Rudkovskaya that Aliona would reverse the decision.

Laishev saying Sambo couldn't pay anything is most likely because journalists asked, and to my mind it was unnecessary.
 
If you were a figure skater, wouldn’t the luxuries Plushenko offered Alena be perfect? He really did fulfill his end of the deal. Do I feel bad for Alena? Sure. But if a contract was signed then Plushenko isn’t in the wrong. This is a mess, but could’ve been avoided.
Any news on if Eteri had accepted her back? I’m guessing no news is good news and they’re waiting to see if this can be resolved??
Say what you want about Eteri, but she does seem to really care about these girls. Plushenko cares about Sasha and that’s very obvious. Alena was a business move. Fair enough. Eteri must really care for the girls or she would have already closed to door in Alena by now. She’s not the monster people would like to believe she is.
 
If you were a figure skater, wouldn’t the luxuries Plushenko offered Alena be perfect? He really did fulfill his end of the deal. Do I feel bad for Alena? Sure. But if a contract was signed then Plushenko isn’t in the wrong. This is a mess, but could’ve been avoided.
Any news on if Eteri had accepted her back? I’m guessing no news is good news and they’re waiting to see if this can be resolved??
Say what you want about Eteri, but she does seem to really care about these girls. Plushenko cares about Sasha and that’s very obvious. Alena was a business move. Fair enough. Eteri must really care for the girls or she would have already closed to door in Alena by now. She’s not the monster people would like to believe she is.

I mean Eteri obviously doesn't care about the business side of the sport because it is not her responsibility to keep Sambo afloat while Plushenko I'm sure is in constant pressure to have money flowing to keep AoP running.
The only way to get substantial money to come in is when he has top skaters that are winning. That explains why the need to poach skaters from other clubs and the preferential treatment among his skaters who can possibly deliver in the quickest time.That is why he is all invested in Trusova. Preferential treatment to coaches/ choreographer and even living arrangements but you will rarely see that in Eteri's camp. Plushenko doesnt have the luxury to play the long game and wait for homegrown skaters to start winning.
 
According to this, they're still negotiating :scratch2:

 
Also Plushenko probably broke himself the law and contrcat by saying that there was no contract with Alyona and calling Daniil a liyer and looking for an exuse not to take her back
can go as slander
Plus saying that everything will be provided for free without saying anything about contracts in media can be seen as fake advertising
Alyona better find a good lawer.
There are always loops in any documents
...How can that be seen as fake advertising?
 
I just really hope Anna's and Sasha's training for Worlds will not be affected because of this long drama. Especially Anna's because it seems Yana handles everything connected to this matter for AOP, but Eteri is - I assume - present for the negotiations and she also has to do the tryouts with Aliona and prepare her as well since she's 1st alternate.

@Anoosheh Liza's spot is secured.
 
I just really hope Anna's and Sasha's training for Worlds will not be affected because of this long drama. Especially Anna's because it seems Yana handles everything connected to this matter for AOP, but Eteri is - I assume - present for the negotiations and she also has to do the tryouts with Aliona and prepare her as well since she's 1st alternate.
Anna attended most of her GPs without Eteri. And Anna is the sole competitor, Alina for example had Tursnybaeva there in 2019. Sasha also has no other competitor at AoP. Given there are only 3 Worlds spots per country, they're both getting much more attention than they're used to. Imagine how it is during the GP circuit, or God forbid RusNats.

Although edit: With Aliona as alternate if she still is, so same scenario as Alina.
 
Google translate says : "Kostornaya will not start training at Sambo-70 until he closes obligations to Plushenko".

But someone posted a picture of her already training at Sambo.

What is going on?!
Maybe she thought she could before, but then they decided against it?

Also there was Laishev's comment that Aliona is already obligated to represent Sambo-70 another year regardless because she became European champion with them. That was completely brand new information to me.
 
i think there is fault on both sides of this situation. yes, Aliona has made some irresponsible and impulsive decisions in the last year, and those are directly her fault. but on the other hand i will say it does not seem Plushenko nor Rozanov really had a plan for her, especially after the cup final. Plushenko is absolutely not involved nor interested in her like Sasha. they did provide her with a place to live, ideal ice time, etc but in the end this just looked like a young, inexperienced coaching team with no long term plan who may have gotten in over their heads.
 
not today - she was in StPete together with Alina for Mishin's anniversary gala
Surprising that Eteri make herself avalaible for a skating show. I don't think Alina needed one of her coaches for a show.
 
Well I think a bit of the point is - Kostornaia won because Shcherbakova/Trusova fell, while yes she had no control over them and skated to the best of her ability; but she didn't win because she was some dominating unbeatable skater on the ice but because others fell.
You’re missing the whole point of winning figure skating competitions. The ones that “dominate” are the ones that commit the least mistakes. In figure skating where everyone has the same elements who do you think will win most of the time? The ones that don’t make mistakes and skate with high skating skills and artistry. Yuna Kim dominated because even though Mao Asada had 3As the latter always had little mistakes when she skated. Alyona always skated cleanly along with her high level of skating skills that’s why she won most of the time.
 
Unfortunately, your entire argument is based solely on fantasies and guesswork. You accuse publicly without the slightest basis and speak in the same breath of honor. Excuse me, but that is really a paradox and I hope that in real life you will not hold an office in which you have to decide human fate.
You have to be blind in both eyes so as not to see who is throwing whom into chaos.
Let's take a look at the facts for a change instead of spreading rumors about the alleged (!) Pitfalls and interests with which the evil AoP is plunging the poor Kostornaya family into misery.
Alena knocked on Plushenko's door as a supplicant via Rozanov.
He asked that a potential transition should be thoroughly reconsidered.
Result: Kostornaya leaves her old team outside of the transfer window for reasons that have not yet been clarified.
AoP takes them on, although Sambo70 continues to get state funding.

AoP gives free of charge:
- your dream coach (almost as a personal coach)
- as much ice time as you want
- a total of 4 programs as desired
- as many costumes
- a well-known foreign choreographer
- medical care
- your own house directly at the base
- Sponsorship agreements

In return, Alyona gives (presumably):
- the assurance to train for a defined period of time at AoP and to compete for AoP competitions.

Sounds to me like a more than fair deal and you will not find a bank in this world that offers you such conditions, because from a purely financial perspective, AoP bore 100% of the financial risk!
If you stick to the agreement, everything is free of charge, if you break the agreement, you will reimburse the costs.
Obviously, one contract partner kept his promises and the other did not. And if the "free of charge" was tied to a certain period of time (I think there is no doubt about it), then Alyona and her mother were aware of this fact and they have decided in full health to enter into this deal.
I cannot see any unethical behavior, on the contrary.
There is really nothing more to say here. At least not for people who think logically without rose-colored Alyona fan glasses.
Wanna talk facts vs guesswork? Let’s do that.
- Rozanov wasn’t her personal coach, he still has other groups he’s teaching, adults, juniors and novices, and pre-novices.
- there were reports about lack of ice and students leaving because of that, so it also isn’t a fact that she had as much ice as she wanted
- do we even know whether those numerous programs and costumes was what SHE asked for and weren’t Plushenko’s decision? We don’t know that, do we?

We also don’t know whether IF Aliona did leave later, she would’ve made it out without these financial penalties. You haven’t seen the contract to say so, neither did I. So I guess it isn’t as obvious that she could’ve left without financial losses even if she stayed longer. Do we know how these clauses were written and that Aliona’s mom was aware about these potential problems? We don’t.
We also don’t even know if Aliona wasn’t paying a penny for those services before, because Plushenko can claim so, but he’s been caught lying several times, so it means nothing.

Artist’s contracts are notoriously one-sided in Russia and Yana, as a producer, would know how to draft a contract in her favor.

so much for your “facts”.

it doesn’t matter if this is Aliona or not. Had Sasha or any other skater found themselves in the same situation, my opinion on this matter wouldn’t change.

Better give us another conspiracy theory, you were already on your way to do so 😂
 
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