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I think Sarah Hughes is a perfect example of this situation. When you have zero expectations, I think it can be freeing. She was in 4th after the SP and I think even Sarah was shocked that she came away with the OGM. You just never know at the Olympics.

Great example. IIRC, she was the only skater in the last group who didn't seem stressed or tight. I wonder if she had been even 3rd after the SP if the nerves may have affected her more. Now with the IJS scoring, a 4th place SP isn't the almost impossible hurdle it used to be (depending on the score).
 
I don't get why people think there is pressure on Alysa.

I don't see how realistically anyone expects Alysa to win so what is this pressure everyone is talking about? I would say she is coming in to skate with virtually zero expectations. The expectations are all on the Russian team. Everyone else is fighting for fourth, unless the Russian team tests positive and they have to bring in the subs. Then yes, the door would be open.
 
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I don't get why people think there is pressure on Alysa.

I don't see how realistically anyone expects Alysa to win so what is this pressure everyone is talking about? I would say she is coming in to skate with virtually zero expectations. The expectations are all on the Russian team. Everyone else is fighting for fourth, unless the Russian team tests positive and they have to bring in the subs. Then yes, the door would be open.
Well the point was that the media are trying to hype her up as a potential medal contender, by comparing her to Simone Biles, when that's not really the case. But casual watchers are not going to know any better and will buy into the hype.
 
Well the point was that the media are trying to hype her up as a potential medal contender, by comparing her to Simone Biles, when that's not really the case. But casual watchers are not going to know any better and will buy into the hype.

Wonder how those people will react when the Olympics roll around and if they go anywhere close to how we think they are going to go and Alysa is likely battling for 5th place at best
 
I'm confused. Why Young You can compete at BOTH 4CC and Olympics?? Why we don't send Alysa, Mariah and Karen to 4CC also?

Korea is the only country sending its Olympic team to 4CC.

The US stated before the season even began that the Olympic team members would not be named to the 4CC team. All other countries (Canada, Japan) are sending non-Olympians.
 
Definitely Nathan........When Johnny said "Nathan Chen Is The Michael Jordon of the Skating World" I thought to myself, I hope Nathan doesn't hear that. The press likes to "Put The Cart Before The Horse" because it builds hype. Unfortunately, it also adds so much stress and pressure, not just to compete and do your best, but to Win or you're a failure.
One thing I don't understand. Why Russian girls can handle pressure and skate so well at competition? Anna fell at SP (4th) but she bounced back and placed second at European Championship. Kamila/Sasha/Anna receive way more media coverage, media attention, and pressure than Alysa. Eteri girls handle pressure very well. Look at their jaw dropping GP results. Media attention/pressure have no effect on Eteri girls at all. Do they have better sport psychology access and mental training than American skaters?
 
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One thing I don't understand. Why Russian girls can handle pressure and skate so well at competition? Anna fell at SP (4th) but she bounced back and placed second at European Championship. Kamila/Sasha/Anna receive way more media coverage, media attention, and pressure than Alysa. Eteri girls handle pressure very well. Look at their jaw dropping GP results. Media attention/pressure have no effect on Eteri girls at all. Do they have better sport psychology access and mental training than American skaters?
Its a little different...pressure on Alysa to medal at the Olympics when its almost impossible for her to do so vs pressure on the Russians to medal when its almost impossible for them NOT to do so. Pressure on Alysa to podium with 3 triple axels, something she hasnt done in many years vs pressure on the Russians to podium with less than 3 falls each.
 
One thing I don't understand. Why Russian girls can handle pressure and skate so well at competition? Anna fell at SP (4th) but she bounced back and placed second at European Championship. Kamila/Sasha/Anna receive way more media coverage, media attention, and pressure than Alysa. Eteri girls handle pressure very well. Look at their jaw dropping GP results. Media attention/pressure have no effect on Eteri girls at all. Do they have better sport psychology access and mental training than American skaters?
Actually, Russia isn't nearly as big on sports psychologists as the US I don't think. If I had to guess, it's confidence in training. My understanding of the Eteri training method is repetition, repetition, repetition, so that in competition, your jumps are all very secure. Also, what they do in practice is probably far harder than actual competition, which makes things easier. The rink is also very high-pressure and competitive, which probably works in their favour at competitions.
 
One thing I don't understand. Why Russian girls can handle pressure and skate so well at competition? Anna fell at SP (4th) but she bounced back and placed second at European Championship. Kamila/Sasha/Anna receive way more media coverage, media attention, and pressure than Alysa. Eteri girls handle pressure very well. Look at their jaw dropping GP results. Media attention/pressure have no effect on Eteri girls at all. Do they have better sport psychology access and mental training than American skaters?
This is a really good question. When I danced in Russia, I loved the discipline. We always did full runs of our dances and by the time we were in front of an audience, or judges, we were more excited than nervous. I think the US skaters are beginning to feel the same way. After seeing the success that Isabeau is having, I think we'll be seeing this happen more often
 
One thing I don't understand. Why Russian girls can handle pressure and skate so well at competition? Anna fell at SP (4th) but she bounced back and placed second at European Championship. Kamila/Sasha/Anna receive way more media coverage, media attention, and pressure than Alysa. Eteri girls handle pressure very well. Look at their jaw dropping GP results. Media attention/pressure have no effect on Eteri girls at all. Do they have better sport psychology access and mental training than American skaters?

Well Trusova I think is 1 that doesn't appear to handle competitions that well, she gets saved a lot by the fact that her problems happen on quads/triple axels so points are more forgiving, see her results vs. other Russians with triple axels or quads, she's very rarely (if ever?) beaten them. I think it was Adeliia Petrosian that remarked she didn't think Olympic pressure would bother her because of the competition she sees daily at her rink << I wonder if that gets impacted if we start to see more of a rise of AoP/CSKA skaters being at the top vs. a large monopoly of them being at Sambo going forward.

And I think the Russians current BV advantage over non-Russians helps with the pressure a lot, they have wiggle room to make an error or 2.
 
I don't get why people think there is pressure on Alysa.

I don't see how realistically anyone expects Alysa to win so what is this pressure everyone is talking about? I would say she is coming in to skate with virtually zero expectations. The expectations are all on the Russian team. Everyone else is fighting for fourth, unless the Russian team tests positive and they have to bring in the subs. Then yes, the door would be open.
The American media will make it seem as if she has a chance. There are a lot of people who are once every 4 year watchers (as I am with many winter sports myself). They hyped plenty of athletes last time who didn’t win medals and some who did (Chloe Kim).
 
The American media will make it seem as if she has a chance. There are a lot of people who are once every 4 year watchers (as I am with many winter sports myself). They hyped plenty of athletes last time who didn’t win medals and some who did (Chloe Kim).
Ahh icic! That's so silly!!!

I actually googled "Ladies Figure Skating World Champion" before I watched the last Olympics!!! I figured I should know who was in contention for a medal!
 
Ahh icic! That's so silly!!!

I actually googled "Ladies Figure Skating World Champion" before I watched the last Olympics!!! I figured I should know who was in contention for a medal!
That was smart of you. It would never occur to me to do that for say, bobsled.
Although most of the sports now other than figure skating we get the international feed and it tends to be unbiased. But the American media want it to look like we have a chance in every event even when we do not.
 
That was smart of you. It would never occur to me to do that for say, bobsled.
Although most of the sports now other than figure skating we get the international feed and it tends to be unbiased. But the American media want it to look like we have a chance in every event even when we do not.
Its weird tho, I mean theyre not pretending clean C/L are podium contenders are they?
What sucks for Alysa is that she really was a medal contender for the team event, but likely lost her spot by withdrawing from Nationals.
 
Its weird tho, I mean theyre not pretending clean C/L are podium contenders are they?
What sucks for Alysa is that she really was a medal contender for the team event, but likely lost her spot by withdrawing from Nationals.
They probably will have Alexa and Brandon as podium contenders. They made a huge deal over Chris and Alexa last time, though I don’t think they went as far as to make them medal contenders.
 
Its weird tho, I mean theyre not pretending clean C/L are podium contenders are they?
What sucks for Alysa is that she really was a medal contender for the team event, but likely lost her spot by withdrawing from Nationals.
She won't lose her spot on the team event if that is what you mean. She will or should be ranked the #1 US ladies skater and will get to choose which segments she wants to skate in the team event.
 
The American media will make it seem as if she has a chance. There are a lot of people who are once every 4 year watchers (as I am with many winter sports myself). They hyped plenty of athletes last time who didn’t win medals and some who did (Chloe Kim).
The media (NBC) hasn't been hyping Alysa at all. They are mega-hyping Nathan Chen and mentioning only Mariah and Karen.
 
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