PCS doesn’t matter that much if the TES includes quads and 3As. And Alysa‘s SS showed big improvement at 2021 Nationals.
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tl;dr: That rule only applies to Worlds placements.
Nationals placements don't officially (that is, according to the ISU's rules for the Grand Prix) have any effect on GP assignments. No skater is guaranteed a GP assignment based on their nationals results, and no federation is obligated to take the results of any nationals into account in its invitations. An individual host federation could make its own internal policies about not matching up its top nationals finishers at its GP, but it would probably be ill-advised to make ironclad rules for itself, because there are all sorts of circumstances in which it would be desirable to make exceptions (for example, for skaters who break through and finish on the podium at nationals, but who don't have the World Championship results or the ranking on the World Standing or Season's Best lists to qualify for an automatic GP invitation the following season).
The ISU hasn't posted its usual annual announcement of the selection criteria on the usual spot on its website yet; AFAIK they haven't been released at all. But pre-Covid, the top 12 (singles) or 10 (pairs/dance) finishers at Worlds were each guaranteed two spots. (Of those, the top 6 finishers were seeded, so that skaters who finished 1-3 couldn't meet each other and skaters who finished 4-6 couldn't meet each other until the GPF.) Skaters who didn't place in the top 12/10 at Worlds but were ranked in the top 24 on either the World Standing or Season's Best lists were guaranteed one spot. Skaters who didn't meet any of those criteria, but who had a top 75 Season's Best score or a medal from Junior Worlds or a gold medal from the Junior GPF, were eligible to be invited to a GP but not guaranteed a spot. And there were provisions for skaters returning from a season off, changing partners, moving up to seniors. Who knows what they'll do this year. But as of 26 March Amber was 30th on the World Standing list, outside the top 24 who are guaranteed one spot – and of course, she has no Worlds placement or ISU Season's Best from 2020-21. So under the pre-Covid rules, she wouldn't be entitled to an automatic GP spot; USFS would have to pick her for SA to guarantee her a spot, and that assumes that they could do so under the rules. The ISU GP announcement for 2019-20 states that "The domestic Skaters/Couples should fulfil the criteria of being on the top 75 Grand Prix Season’s Best list when first selected" (pp. 3-4 of the document linked below), which is not the same thing as "must" fulfill the criteria.
Basically, USFS can choose any three American skaters with a top 75 Season's Best (and even that seems not to be an ironclad rule) for its spots, as long as the final results of the first round of GP invitations (before withdrawals) conform to the ISU's rules about seeding, guaranteed places for skaters high enough in Worlds placements and the World Standings and Season's Best lists, etc.
You can find the pre-Covid rules about GP assignments here.
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I just remembered that both Michelle Kwan and Tara Lipinski competed together at SkAM97 in the Olympic season. And Kwan/Hughes in 2001 and Kristi/Tonya at 1991 SkAm. If they hold to past history, USFS should have no issue with US "1-2" competing together.
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The most recent example is the most recent Olympic season, when Karen Chen and Ashley Wagner both were assigned to 2017 Skate America -- where (not incidentally) Bradie won bronze in her GP debut
, with Karen finishing far off the podium and Ashley withdrawing during the FS because of a medical issue.AFAIK, none of the U.S. ladies who are major contenders for selection to the Beijing 2022 team have competed yet during the new Olympic season. I already have needed bucketloads of salt
to accompany all the extrapolations/pronouncements in this thread.(I look forward to results from competitions.
Starting with [but certainly not limited to!] ... Broadmoor Open next week. AFAIK, official entry lists so far have not been published, lest anyone wonder.)
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Forgot to say that I am half-dreading Olympic team selection, because it inevitably will be a double-edged sword that brings heartbreak to at least a couple of very good U.S. ladies skaters who have worked very hard for many years -- as well as jubilation to a small number of others who have done same.
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I thought the repeat jump rule only applied for triples?
From p. 110:
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Any double jump (including double Axel) cannot be included more than twice in a Single’s Free Program (as a Solo Jump or a part of a Jump Combination / Sequence).
Of all triple and quadruple jumps only two (2) can be executed twice. Of the two repetitions only one (1) can be a quadruple jump [emphasis added]. If at least one of these executions is in a Jump Combination/ Sequence, both executions are attributed their full numerical value according to the Scale of Value and calculation process described in Rule 353, 1.h) i) and ii If both executions are as solo jumps, the second of these solo jumps will be attributed 70% of its numerical value according to the Scale of Value. Triple and quadruple jumps with the same name will be considered as two different jumps. No triple jump or quadruple jump can be attempted more than twice.
Why not? The lutz is worth more, but she should go with whichever quad is her better one.
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I didnt mean according to the rules so much as, if we allow for the possibility that not all seven russian girls will be at their best right out of the gate, some weak showings could free up a space or two in the final. Alysa and Rika, maybe Young, would be gunning for that. Im holding out for Bradie showing up next season with a triple axel, in which case she could also be a factor. In this pipe dream, having her and Alysa at the same event has one pushing the other out of contention. It's not like if Anna and Kamila ended up at the same event - both would still most likely go to the final. I image it was the same in the examples you gave, though I wasnt watching skating at the time.
Gracie and Ashley were both at Skate America 2016.
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Chiming in a bit late here, but i feel like Amber deserve SA the most as she is the reigning silver medalist and did not get any post national assignments. To me that puts her most deserving.
Beyond Amber, honestly i feel like Alyssa deserves it the most. She is a two time champ that has never had SA, again, i think she deserves it
As for the third spot... hard to say if they should leave it TBD as usual or go with Karen or Bradie, both of whom likely will get two spots anyway.
Beyond Amber, honestly i feel like Alyssa deserves it the most. She is a two time champ that has never had SA, again, i think she deserves it
As for the third spot... hard to say if they should leave it TBD as usual or go with Karen or Bradie, both of whom likely will get two spots anyway.
I think this one would be possible and legal:
3A +2T, 4Lz, 3A, 3F, 3Lz +1Eu +3 sal x, 3Lz + 3T x, 3Lo x
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Karen or Bradie, if not both, will 100% get a spot. Aside from Alysa, those two are the only ones with any possibility of making the podium in a field that will include several strong Russian and Japanese skaters.
I'd be shocked if Alysa wasn't picked. The USFSA has been hyping her up as an Olympic medal hopeful for years and she would help draw attention to the event.
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I agree about Amber. But, I don't know if the USFS does. I hope they reward her for her recent improvements. She was the only US lady consistently rotating her jumps last year.
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I recall an old interview where she said she tried a Quad Sal and it was, quoting her, "SOOO difficult". It would be amazing to see one from her though!! She has a beautiful air position and spins so tight and nicely. Reminds me a bit of a younger N. Chen.
On the topic of supporting my fav girl, I wish we could send her a nice plushie tissue holder. She is such a cutie pie that a plushy would do wonders for attracting more views in the Kiss & cry (and starting to brand her personality to the media, which never hurts to do). I've been thinking how cute would a "Stitch" tissue holder from "Lilo & Stitch" would look with her
. I got the idea because in one of her 13 y.o. interviews she mentioned that she was trying to name her newly home-baked slime "Alien". Wouldn't that be adorable? 
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They're not worth much but it makes me very happy that Alysa is a good spinner. I love that she's got the big jumps but I'll admit there is something satisfying about watching her lovely spins on top of that. You don't need to admire the jumps and then cringe at the dodgy spins which is always a downer.
ETA: Bradie is a fantastic spinner too!
ETA: Bradie is a fantastic spinner too!
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sounds like Alysa is back and there is going to be trouble. watch out. Of course it could be just PR but it seems like the stories are Alyssa and Gracie are coming back with a vengeance.
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Karen is also a lovely spinner, I'm glad we have so many ladies who are good at them.
Yes and no. She would do a jump, or a jump combo-(on practice), and then rest either by slowly meandering around the rink or standing by the railings. The jumps-all of them-, were big and rotated. Best jumps of ALL the U.S. women. Practice run throughs consisted of Gracie walking through all the jumps or doing singles, and even then -she was winded. Stamina and Conditioning is a huge issue, but perhaps the training in Switzerland has helped. I'd love to see her back. The competition nerves issue more pertains to Mariah, who was perfect or near perfect in practice, with complete run-throughs...and then...I dunno what happened. But watching the practices-Brady, Karen, Alysa, Mariah never stopped moving. Gracie often looked to be at a loss for something to practice, and seemed to focus most on staying out of the others' way.
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i wonder if where she is in Switzerland is a higher altitude similar to Colorado Springs? that is great for training stamina.
when you take a break from skating and let your body change, you lose a lot of what you had before and you can't always get it back. it's never really the same as it was before. especially when you aren't a child anymore.
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The altitude of her home rink, the IceWorks Skating Complex (Aston, PA) is 213 ft while the altitude of Champery is 3,461 ft. Although it isn't as high as Colorado Springs (6,035ft), it's definitely a big difference that should help her with stamina). I'm hoping that Lambiel is helping her with the mental aspect of the sport and how to train efficiently during the 6-minute warm-up.
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