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Interview with Ting Cui, 2019 World Junior Medalist

We spoke to Ting Cui about injuries, returning to competition & more.
[TW: ED mentions]

spotify: https://sptfy.com/64qn
youtube: https://bit.ly/3qFJTK9
article: https://bit.ly/3ddynjx

The article's quotes have been edited for clarity and brevity.

Important quotes from the interview:

"Nila: When you do a sport for so long and you reach that highest level, there’s that sense of obligation that you have to persist regardless of whether you want to or not. And that’s not always the case for everyone, but I know you’ve said that you really want to rekindle your love for figure skating. How has this past year allowed you to take ownership of your career and re-evaluate and understand your relationship with figure skating?

Ting: Good question. I definitely wanted to rekindle my love for the sport. In the past year, a lot of big changes have been made in my life. Transitioning from high school to college, a teenager to entering young adulthood, physical and mental changes, all that, I have had to re-examine the position figure skating has taken in my life.

Going through the second injury, I wasn't sure if I still wanted to skate. I had been dealing with so much and maybe this was just a chance to get a fresh start to focus on college and the second career I'll have after skating. Then, I started trying a few different things but nothing quite hit the soft spot in my heart like skating did. I got my license so I started driving myself to the rink. Everything I’ve been doing in the past couple of months has been for me. If I went to the rink it was because of me, and everything had to be initiated by me. Even if I didn't want to go, that was my choice now. I could decide what I did that day.

Your parents aren’t there, there’s no one there to hound you or lecture you for slacking off or showing up late. All of that is your responsibility now. That’s what I’ve been doing and it’s taken a little bit of time to adjust but everything I do now is because I want to be there. I want to show up, I want to skate, and go through that process to let myself train differently. I always thought I had to train a certain way, like I had to do this, this and this, like a checklist, which is what you should be doing but in my head it was so cut and paste everyday, there was no wiggle room for creativity. When I wasn’t able to jump, letting myself have creative moments to blast music I like and do a little bit of improv on the ice was completely freeing. Saying it now, it’s such a minor change but it was the biggest switch in my head. Like skating doesn’t have to be this one way that I've done my whole life. Skating can be fun and I really love it. I love skating now, it’s what I like to do so I show up to the rink everyday and have a good time. Regardless of how many times I've fallen in practice or if it was a terrible day, I’m still happy to be there. I know what the alternative is now, not being able to skate, so I’m just happy to be able to train and do what I want to do."


"Ting: I have gotten all my triple jumps which is amazing and has been my goal for the longest time. I have grown so much within the past two years and my body has changed, I have more of an adult body now. My coaches have been super supportive of it and I'm so grateful for that, there’s been no negativity there with body image. But my body is just so different. I went to the doctor this week and she told me my growth plates are still open. I’m 5’6 now and I measured myself last week. It's all crazy to me. I can’t believe I'm 5’6 and still jumping!"

"Ting: For some more context, I was kind of coach-less at the time. I had moved away from Tom after getting injured the second time. I have to say, he was great, but I just didn’t feel the connection between us. I knew Colorado wasn’t the right environment for me. I had made it through two years there, and even that I feel like I barely made it through. The training environment was very competitive which I liked, but too crazy. Like there were so many kids on the ice, such long lines for music, sometimes you couldn't even get it played. I knew I wanted to figure out a different place to train. Especially as I was applying to colleges, that really played into everything. As I was injured, I couldn't skate and I didn't know if I wanted to continue skating while starting college. So it just felt like a one or another thing at that point in my life. I was coach-less and back home, training with my long time stroking coach Natalia Linichuk. Natalia is amazing. She’s an Olympic champion and she’s trained olympic champions so she has always been such an idol. It was just hard to think I could talk to her about it. She’s my head coach now along with Priscilla Hill and Roland Burghart. The three of them are forming a team. But now I do talk to her about stuff!"



"Ting: I'm going to be doing a bunch of summer competitions actually. I just did my very first competition in two years last weekend, at White Rose Invitational. It was so exciting just to be out there and I wasn't as nervous as I thought I would be. I definitely wasn’t ready for the competition but I needed to get myself out there. It went like how it has been going in training. Not perfect but it was how I had been training so I can’t really be upset or anything over that. I’m just quite not there yet but getting through it was the most important thing. It was a one day competition, I did my long program and the best part was when I stepped onto the ice after they called my name, I still remembered that feeling of when it’s my turn to compete, I have the ice all to myself. There’s a certain quiet around the rink and in my mind I had been visualizing this moment in the months prior to the competition because I couldn't imagine myself competing at all and just being alone for four minutes and having it feel familiar was really amazing. I had thought I had forgotten what that was all about. To stay calm and get through that full program was a win for me."
 
Interview with Ting Cui, 2019 World Junior Medalist

We spoke to Ting Cui about injuries, returning to competition & more.
[TW: ED mentions]

spotify: https://sptfy.com/64qn
youtube: https://bit.ly/3qFJTK9
article: https://bit.ly/3ddynjx

The article's quotes have been edited for clarity and brevity.

Important quotes from the interview:

"Nila: When you do a sport for so long and you reach that highest level, there’s that sense of obligation that you have to persist regardless of whether you want to or not. And that’s not always the case for everyone, but I know you’ve said that you really want to rekindle your love for figure skating. How has this past year allowed you to take ownership of your career and re-evaluate and understand your relationship with figure skating?

Ting: Good question. I definitely wanted to rekindle my love for the sport. In the past year, a lot of big changes have been made in my life. Transitioning from high school to college, a teenager to entering young adulthood, physical and mental changes, all that, I have had to re-examine the position figure skating has taken in my life.

Going through the second injury, I wasn't sure if I still wanted to skate. I had been dealing with so much and maybe this was just a chance to get a fresh start to focus on college and the second career I'll have after skating. Then, I started trying a few different things but nothing quite hit the soft spot in my heart like skating did. I got my license so I started driving myself to the rink. Everything I’ve been doing in the past couple of months has been for me. If I went to the rink it was because of me, and everything had to be initiated by me. Even if I didn't want to go, that was my choice now. I could decide what I did that day.

Your parents aren’t there, there’s no one there to hound you or lecture you for slacking off or showing up late. All of that is your responsibility now. That’s what I’ve been doing and it’s taken a little bit of time to adjust but everything I do now is because I want to be there. I want to show up, I want to skate, and go through that process to let myself train differently. I always thought I had to train a certain way, like I had to do this, this and this, like a checklist, which is what you should be doing but in my head it was so cut and paste everyday, there was no wiggle room for creativity. When I wasn’t able to jump, letting myself have creative moments to blast music I like and do a little bit of improv on the ice was completely freeing. Saying it now, it’s such a minor change but it was the biggest switch in my head. Like skating doesn’t have to be this one way that I've done my whole life. Skating can be fun and I really love it. I love skating now, it’s what I like to do so I show up to the rink everyday and have a good time. Regardless of how many times I've fallen in practice or if it was a terrible day, I’m still happy to be there. I know what the alternative is now, not being able to skate, so I’m just happy to be able to train and do what I want to do."


"Ting: I have gotten all my triple jumps which is amazing and has been my goal for the longest time. I have grown so much within the past two years and my body has changed, I have more of an adult body now. My coaches have been super supportive of it and I'm so grateful for that, there’s been no negativity there with body image. But my body is just so different. I went to the doctor this week and she told me my growth plates are still open. I’m 5’6 now and I measured myself last week. It's all crazy to me. I can’t believe I'm 5’6 and still jumping!"

"Ting: For some more context, I was kind of coach-less at the time. I had moved away from Tom after getting injured the second time. I have to say, he was great, but I just didn’t feel the connection between us. I knew Colorado wasn’t the right environment for me. I had made it through two years there, and even that I feel like I barely made it through. The training environment was very competitive which I liked, but too crazy. Like there were so many kids on the ice, such long lines for music, sometimes you couldn't even get it played. I knew I wanted to figure out a different place to train. Especially as I was applying to colleges, that really played into everything. As I was injured, I couldn't skate and I didn't know if I wanted to continue skating while starting college. So it just felt like a one or another thing at that point in my life. I was coach-less and back home, training with my long time stroking coach Natalia Linichuk. Natalia is amazing. She’s an Olympic champion and she’s trained olympic champions so she has always been such an idol. It was just hard to think I could talk to her about it. She’s my head coach now along with Priscilla Hill and Roland Burghart. The three of them are forming a team. But now I do talk to her about stuff!"



"Ting: I'm going to be doing a bunch of summer competitions actually. I just did my very first competition in two years last weekend, at White Rose Invitational. It was so exciting just to be out there and I wasn't as nervous as I thought I would be. I definitely wasn’t ready for the competition but I needed to get myself out there. It went like how it has been going in training. Not perfect but it was how I had been training so I can’t really be upset or anything over that. I’m just quite not there yet but getting through it was the most important thing. It was a one day competition, I did my long program and the best part was when I stepped onto the ice after they called my name, I still remembered that feeling of when it’s my turn to compete, I have the ice all to myself. There’s a certain quiet around the rink and in my mind I had been visualizing this moment in the months prior to the competition because I couldn't imagine myself competing at all and just being alone for four minutes and having it feel familiar was really amazing. I had thought I had forgotten what that was all about. To stay calm and get through that full program was a win for m
 
Lindsay Thorngren and Ting Cui competed at the White Rose Invitational this past Sunday. They both only skated their free skate. Lindsay received a 129.85 with a TES of 75.19 and a PCS of 54.66. Ting received a 93.67 with a TES of 42.81 and a PCS of 51.86 with one deduction.

I hope that Emily Zhang will have a good season. :pray:
She placed second in White Rose FS, with marked improvement in TES and PCS compared to her Cardinal Classic FS in early June.
Emily is working on triple axel.
(Her triple axel was downgraded in both SP and FS at Cardinal Classic. Respect to Emily for making attempts in competition.)

Thx for bringing White Rose results to our attention.
It's great that Ting Cui has returned to competition.



Pooja Kalyan will be among Aerial Challenge competitors next week.
AFAIK, social media has not (yet?) promoted names of other ladies, although it also has mentioned Vincent, Tomoki, and Camden.
 
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OK, I’ll put this here although tangentially related to the ladies:

I can’t get over that the York PA skating club calls itself the “White Rose FS”.

props to them:rock:
Not only that, El, but that club has one of the coolest club skating jackets I’ve ever seen. Do you remember? We met a young lady who skates with that club, and her mom, at the last Philadelphia International (two years ago, now!)
I wanted that jacket! Emblazoned with the white rose, of course.
 
Not only that, El, but that club has one of the coolest club skating jackets I’ve ever seen. Do you remember? We met a young lady who skates with that club, and her mom, at the last Philadelphia International (two years ago, now!)
I wanted that jacket! Emblazoned with the white rose, of course.
Now it’s coming back to me,:)

I believe our friend may lurk here, and if so, and the club sells more merch, I’m saying publicly I’m down for an order. Sorry to say the Penguins FSC (here in the Christmas City) is not nearly so cool.

and Philly International for 2022. I am willing it into existence :pray: Where Ting (particularly now that she is back in the hood), Lindsay and Emily and everyone else can come skate!
 
OK, I’ll put this here although tangentially related to the ladies:

I can’t get over that the York PA skating club calls itself the “White Rose FS”.

props to them:rock:
Sure! York is the White Rose City, after all. And in the next town over, here in Lancaster, we're the Red Rose Figure Skating Club 🌹⛸️❤️

Darn, I sure wish I had known Lindsey, Emily, and Ting were all skating there last weekend. I would have been there in a heartbeat! Here's hoping some, or all of them show up at the Hershey Open in August.
 
Not only that, El, but that club has one of the coolest club skating jackets I’ve ever seen. Do you remember? We met a young lady who skates with that club, and her mom, at the last Philadelphia International (two years ago, now!)
I wanted that jacket! Emblazoned with the white rose, of course.
Seven Sisters, I'm not sure if it was another mother-daughter duo you met two years ago at Philly International, but my skater-daughter and I were there and I remember we had a lovely chat with you in the stands. We skate with Red Rose, though. Personally, I think our jackets are cooler than White Rose (shhhhh, don't tell them I said so)... :cool::ROFLMAO:
 
Seven Sisters, I'm not sure if it was another mother-daughter duo you met two years ago at Philly International, but my skater-daughter and I were there and I remember we had a lovely chat with you in the stands. We skate with Red Rose, though. Personally, I think our jackets are cooler than White Rose (shhhhh, don't tell them I said so)... :cool::ROFLMAO:
My apologies—I remember you and your lovely daughter, and the cool skating jacket, but not the color of the rose obviously :)

I still want one of those jackets!

ETA: or even a t shirt/hoodie with the logo would do :)
 
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Lindsay is looking good! TES at 75… wow! I wish I could see the protocols for her skate. I wonder if she successfully landed the loop combo. She is my favourite Junior Circuit American lady going to the Junior Circuit. She should be a lock for making the team. Does anybody know how many spots are available for grabs?
 
Lindsay is looking good! TES at 75… wow! I wish I could see the protocols for her skate. I wonder if she successfully landed the loop combo. She is my favourite Junior Circuit American lady going to the Junior Circuit. She should be a lock for making the team. Does anybody know how many spots are available for grabs?

Do you mean the JGP? We have two spots at each event, so 14 spots total for the American junior ladies. Lindsay should be a guarantee.
 
Seven Sisters, I'm not sure if it was another mother-daughter duo you met two years ago at Philly International, but my skater-daughter and I were there and I remember we had a lovely chat with you in the stands. We skate with Red Rose, though. Personally, I think our jackets are cooler than White Rose (shhhhh, don't tell them I said so)... :cool::ROFLMAO:

Well, I was thinking of you with my allusion ;)I think @Seven Sisters and I have a standing order for merch, and your clubs are to be congratulated for their names:clap:

York is a bit far for me for essentially three ladies skaters, but I was pleased to see they had a comp with those skaters. Of course, it's practically at the Maryland border, so a bit easier for those skaters to the South(y)
 
Is Kanon Smith eligible for Juniors this season? Her and Clare Seo have great potential and unlike Lindsay who still skates slow they zip around the ice with great speed. Why do US coaches struggle with teaching speed all you have to do is compare the US girls coming every year to their Russian or Japanese or SK counterparts.
 
Is Kanon Smith eligible for Juniors this season? Her and Clare Seo have great potential and unlike Lindsay who still skates slow they zip around the ice with great speed. Why do US coaches struggle with teaching speed all you have to do is compare the US girls coming every year to their Russian or Japanese or SK counterparts.


I think the USFSA made the mistake of assuming that ultra-C/consistency would equal PCS for the upcoming generation of ladies. Thus a bunch of the younger ladies look really consistent on jumps, have 3-3 combinations, can backload (somewhat), and are even starting to land Ultra-C, but have struggled noticeably with speed and skating skills (Alysa Liu, Lindsay Thorngren, Isabeau Levito, Mia Kalin, Kate Wang; plus the fact that almost no one at junior nationals stood out on these skills even among the ladies that weren’t doing the more difficult 3-3s).


The problem is that strong TES does not equal PCS when your competitors have both. USFSA needs to take a lesson from Alysa’s situation. There is talk about Mia and Isabeau working on quads but it won’t matter when the Russian ladies do the same elements and can actually skate. While it is true that flaws in interpretation, musicality, composition, and lack of transitions are often excused in favor of difficult elements, you can’t expect an international panel to ignore blatant deficiencies in speed and basic skating skills. It’s almost embarrassing how slow and wonky some of these ladies are. They essentially threw the whole PCS baby out with the bath water in order to teach them jumps and consistency and that’s not going to fly. It’s both or nothing.

Thankfully Alysa is improving and Kanon and Clare look very promising. Kanon really should have won nationals but they didn’t reward PCS and spins where it was deserved. So I’m skeptical…
 
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Lindsay is training/incorporating a triple-Axel, so I wonder if she added that to her program for the White Rose competition. As for speed, Lindsay is neither slow nor fast, I would say she’s in the middle of the pack. However, she has beautifully rotated jumps, air positioning, and technique. On the other hand, she needs to work on expression and “selling the program” which will come with experience and time.

As for Audrey Shin, I mistakenly thought I read somewhere that she was injured but it turned out to be an article from last year talking about her struggles post-surgery; I apologize for the misinformation.

I’m overjoyed to see Ting competing again and the podcast was endearingly personal, introspective, and mature; I am so happy to hear that she’s rekindled her love for the sport. Regardless of whether or not she goes on to win medals, I just want to see her skate again… she has a quality about her that is simply otherworldly… the “it factor” for lack of a better phrase.

As for the younger US ladies, they often sacrifice speed in favor of consistency and harder jump elements. However, I do think it is dependent on the coach so it is quite difficult to generalize a whole generation based on a few skaters. For example, Kanon, Clare, Audrey, Ting, Hanna, and a few others skate very fast and with power. On the flip-side, you have skaters like Isabeau who seem to be slower and then skaters like Alysa, Mia, and Lindsay who are neither fast nor slow. I do think speed and skating skills should be central areas of focus rather than being relegated to secondary roles.

Finally, I am very excited for the Broadmoor Open competition and am hoping that a livestream becomes available.
 
Lindsay is training/incorporating a triple-Axel, so I wonder if she added that to her program for the White Rose competition. As for speed, Lindsay is neither slow nor fast, I would say she’s in the middle of the pack. However, she has beautifully rotated jumps, air positioning, and technique. On the other hand, she needs to work on expression and “selling the program” which will come with experience and time.

When I first watched her LP, there was no sound attached to it. I couldn't discern much of any choreography, so I was imagining in my head what kind of music she could possibly have been skating to. Then someone uploaded with the actual music, and well, I wish she'd just skate without any music since she clearly doesn't listen to it or relate to it any way, shape, or form.
 
My apologies—I remember you and your lovely daughter, and the cool skating jacket, but not the color of the rose obviously :)

I still want one of those jackets!

ETA: or even a t shirt/hoodie with the logo would do :)
The jackets are for skating members only, but I could set you up with a t-shirt or hoodie :wink:
 
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