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katymay said:
This year, as I understand it, will be ranked by points, so the actual composition of which ever JGP you are in isn't going to matter as much.
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Honest questions:

Is the ISU wording of "alternative qualification criteria" the only basis for your understanding, or have I missed something else?

I get that a ranking of scores would seem like a natural option, but has someone in a position of authority actually specified that it will be used (as opposed to another system of criteria)? If so, I am interested to know who said it.​

In the realm of wild speculation ... maybe/maybe/maybe the ISU would devise a qualification system that somehow takes into account both placement rankings and score rankings???
 
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ice coverage said:
Honest questions:

Is the ISU wording of "alternative qualification criteria" the only basis for your understanding?​
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I get that a ranking of scores would seem like a natural option, but has someone in a position of authority actually specified that it will used? If I have missed something, I am interested to know who said so.​
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No, getting my information from what the Russian Fed is saying will be the case. (As reported by Russian sources). As a practical matter I'm not sure how else skaters might be ranked. I would hope that there is some sort of oversight committee which evaluates the judging across all of the JGP's.-at least concerning those skaters contending for top slots.
 
katymay said:
No, getting my information from what the Russian Fed is saying will be the case. (As reported by Russian sources). As a practical matter I'm not sure how else skaters might be ranked. I would hope that there is some sort of oversight committee which evaluates the judging across all of the JGP's.-at least concerning those skaters contending for top slots.
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Thanks for your reply.

Given the lack of certainty (IMO) that placement rankings will have absolutely no role (at the same time that other criteria also are given weight), I don't think it would hurt for USFS (or any other federation) to give thought to maximizing placements.
 
katymay said:
I would hope that there is some sort of oversight committee which evaluates the judging across all of the JGP's.-at least concerning those skaters contending for top slots.
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Lol there is no way that is going to happen. I have yet to see any evidence of an oversight committee that evaluates judging across any of the senior skating competitions.
 
gotoschool said:
Impressed to see both Lindsey and Clare skate so well and I hope they both have great seasons. However, to me the scoring is a classic example of tying component to tech scores and basically overlooking the PCS criteria altogether by focusing on rotations and edges with a fine tooth comb where Lindsay comes out better to the complete exclusion of the macro elements posture, flow, expression, smooth edges and speed where Clare is superior in my opinion but gains no benefit and even suffers some detriment in PCS scoring.
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Clare is superior in SS, yes. In performance, yes. However, I think Lindsay actually has better posture and extension than Clare. However, I don't disagree that ( especially in the SP, Clare's LP is not particularly good imho) Clare should have higher PCS. Junior judges rarely make the distinction.
Dawn825 said:
Lol there is no way that is going to happen. I have yet to see any evidence of an oversight committee that evaluates judging across any of the senior skating competitions.
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Agree. Definitely not going to happen. Judging will also, definitely, be inconsistent. However, I personally think JGP final isn't very important. The kids just need to get used to performing internationally. The JGP is about helping skaters grow. So who cares if they make the final...
 
Dawn825 said:
Lol there is no way that is going to happen. I have yet to see any evidence of an oversight committee that evaluates judging across any of the senior skating competitions.
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The longstanding ISU Officials Assessment Commission reviews and evaluates judging from:

Senior Grand Prix
Junior Grand Prix
ISU European Figure Skating Championships
ISU Four Continent Figure Skating Championships
ISU World Junior Figure Skating Championships
ISU World Figure Skating Championships
Olympic Winter Games
Winter Youth Olympic Games
ISU World Synchronized Skating Championships
ISU World Junior Synchronized Skating Championships

https://isu.org/figure-skating/rules/fsk-communications/26068-isu-communication-2423/file (update for 2021-22 season)​

As an example, the work of the Officials Assessment Commission led to disciplinary action ("a period of exclusion from all ISU activities of one year") against a judge who served at 2021 Worlds:



I do recognize that @katymay wants special scrutiny of the 2021 JGP series, given that the qualification procedure for this season's JGPF is up in the air.
 
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I wasn't saying that there isn't one, I was kind of making a joke that I didn't see any evidence because the judging remains so skewed. But you're right, there is a committee that technically does that job.
 
Lindsay Thorgren look like a shy person base on this interview : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DaIS_Yi_rs

I imagine that's why she look shy and concentrated during her performance. She looks like a perfectionnist person who like to skate clean and be perfect.

She is a new skater to me.

But, I like her FS : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDVuB1B77BU

The voiceover doesn't botter me. The music is interesting and the sound effect and voiceover make me remember Medvedeva program 911.

To me this program is a great vehicle for her, it's relaxing watching her in this program.

Her extention with the arm and leg are really great.

It's just her facial expression who needs some work.

Other than that, I love the program and for a person shy and perfectionnist that she look like, I think it explain that her facial expression is stone.

Does she is illigible for the Olympic ?

I think with hard work she could be the number 3 US women for the 3rd olympic spot at the end of the season, if she could be illigible for the Olympic.

I would call her the dark horse for an olympic spot. This girl look determine to hard work for the rest of the season and maybe having the triple axel at the end of the season.
 
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soccerjc77 said:
Lindsay Thorgren look like a shy person base on this interview : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DaIS_Yi_rs

I imagine that's why she look shy and concentrated during her performance. She looks like a perfectionnist person who like to skate clean and be perfect.

She is a new skater to me.

But, I like her FS : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDVuB1B77BU

The voiceover doesn't botter me. The music is interesting and the sound effect and voiceover make me remember Medvedeva program 911.

To me this program is a great vehicle for her, it's relaxing watching her in this program.

Her extention with the arm and leg are really great.

It's just her facial expression who needs some work.

Other than that, I love the program and for a person shy and perfectionnist that she look like, I think it explain that her facial expression is stone.

Does she is illigible for the Olympic ?

I think with hard work she could be the number 3 US women for the 3rd olympic spot at the end of the season, if she could be illigible for the Olympic.

I would call her the dark horse for an olympic spot. This girl look determine to hard work for the rest of the season and maybe having the triple axel at the end of the season.
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Lindsay is eligible for the 2022 Olympics. She turns 16 in December.
 
soccerjc77 said:
Lindsay Thorgren look like a shy person base on this interview : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DaIS_Yi_rs

I imagine that's why she look shy and concentrated during her performance. She looks like a perfectionnist person who like to skate clean and be perfect.

She is a new skater to me.

But, I like her FS : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDVuB1B77BU

The voiceover doesn't botter me. The music is interesting and the sound effect and voiceover make me remember Medvedeva program 911.

To me this program is a great vehicle for her, it's relaxing watching her in this program.

Her extention with the arm and leg are really great.

It's just her facial expression who needs some work.

Other than that, I love the program and for a person shy and perfectionnist that she look like, I think it explain that her facial expression is stone.

Does she is illigible for the Olympic ?

I think with hard work she could be the number 3 US women for the 3rd olympic spot at the end of the season, if she could be illigible for the Olympic.

I would call her the dark horse for an olympic spot. This girl look determine to hard work for the rest of the season and maybe having the triple axel at the end of the season.
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She's age eligible for the Olympics.

I think if she performs well consistently this year, she could have a shot even without the triple axel as her layouts are very comparable to the Russians/Japanese because she does back-load her combinations and does more than 1 triple-triple in the FS which is a rarity among the established US senior skaters. Look at her BVs from Philadelphia a few weeks ago, her SP was 32.50 with an under-rotation, and FS with the triple axel was over 64 with 3 under-rotations and a downgrade; that's higher than everyone's BV at Nationals last year and even her FS BV from the JGP this year was 59.5 points, which based on Nationals last year would be the second highest BV and with Alysa's Cranberry Cup FS BV added into the equation she would still be top 3 BV.

Protocols for the competitions I referenced:
Philadelphia: https://ijs.usfigureskating.org/leaderboard/results/2021/30050/CAT010SEG027.html
2021 Nationals: https://ijs.usfigureskating.org/leaderboard/results/2021/27989/CAT001SEG002.html
Cranberry Cup: https://ijs.usfigureskating.org/leaderboard/results/2021/30084/CAT003SEG006.html
JGP France: http://www.isuresults.com/results/season2122/jgpfra2021/
 
A little random, but does anyone know where is Calista Choi, after a really nice 2019/20 season (US Nats bronze medal, Egna Trophy gold medal), I didn't hear or see anything from her :cry:
 
breadstal said:
A little random, but does anyone know where is Calista Choi, after a really nice 2019/20 season (US Nats bronze medal, Egna Trophy gold medal), I didn't hear or see anything from her :cry:
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I used to really like her, too. Seems like she had a back injury at the beginning of the year, came back to skating in February, but has been silent since April. This is all based on her instagram posts, I can’t find anything else.
 
breadstal said:
A little random, but does anyone know where is Calista Choi, after a really nice 2019/20 season (US Nats bronze medal, Egna Trophy gold medal), I didn't hear or see anything from her :cry:
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She was 12th in Senior Ladies Championship Series last season and thus, didn't qualify for Nationals.
 
apgold said:
Lindsay could very well do what Polina Edmunds did in 2014.

Lindsay was interviewed by Polina a few months ago on Polina's podcast - she does seem shy.

If Karen, Bradie or Alysa underperform, she could slip in there. I'm not considering Amber or Mariah right now, with Amber injured and Mariah's subpar performance at Cranberry. We have 5 months, though and a lot of could change.
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Yes ! That what I was thinking in my mind. If she continue to be consistent, Lindsay could be a surprise number 2 like Polina Edmunds in 2014 and making the Olympic team with Alysa and someone else ...
 
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