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The nationals podium could very well be Alysa-Isabeau-Lindsay if they remain steady. That would make the Olympic team selection very interesting. They would have to decide if they want to send Lindsay and pick at least one girl off the podium to send to the Olympics.
 
The nationals podium could very well be Alysa-Isabeau-Lindsay if they remain steady. That would make the Olympic team selection very interesting. They would have to decide if they want to send Lindsay and pick at least one girl off the podium to send to the Olympics.
So far, Karen and Mariah are off to rough starts. Amber and Bradie both seem to have or have had injuries. Alysa is skating beautifully, but having underrotated combos. Her triple axel is coming along. Hopefully it can land consistently and be rotated in competitions soon. It is still very early on in the season though. Isabeau has really developed and improved much, and though she is under age for the Olympics, she is a very consistent skater, and is also working on her quad toe. Lindsay has been attempting her triple axel, and is looking super good so far this season. She is also usually landing her jumps consistently. And there are other US ladies with potential who will also be trying to go for the Olympics. This is a very intriguing group of US ladies.
 
She got q's which i think are slightly better pointswise than an underrotations, but she also got calls on her flip edge for i think every flip she did.

I haven't looked at her other competitions, but the concern is going to be that if she gets the reputation of someone that under-rotates then judges tend to look quite closely at those skaters jumps
The flip calls were nonsense.
 
It seems to be a subconscious thing that skaters who have triple axels and quads don't get their triple-triples scrutinized to the same extent as skaters without ultra-C elements. For instance, in her junior season, I'd argue that Alysa's triple-triples were worse than they are now, and many were borderline, but they were never called. Instead, they focused their scrutiny on her triple axels and quad lutzes. I feel as though once Alysa gets her triple axel more consistent and adds two in her free program, her triple-triples will also stop getting called. This happens to the Russian girls too, where some of their more questionably rotated combos are less scrutinized, as there's an implicit assumption that if you can land a triple axel/quad, the rotation of your triple-triples will probably be fine.
 
Alarm bells should be ringing for Mariah because the youngsters are starting to get some distance between themselves and her.

It feels that the momentum is not with her at the moment.

As for Bradie, the stories of her demise might be greatly exaggerated.

But, here is a what if: What if Bradie bombs at nationals? USFS has already demonstrated they will leave behind an underperforming Bell, no problem.

However, will they be as quick to pull the plug on Bradie, or does she get the Olympic spot because of “meritorious service to US figure skating” or whatever derivative of corporate speak they use in the press release to nicely denote that she is being chosen for lifetime achievement rather than current results?
 
However, will they be as quick to pull the plug on Bradie, or does she get the Olympic spot because of “meritorious service to US figure skating” or whatever derivative of corporate speak they use in the press release to nicely denote that she is being chosen for lifetime achievement rather than current results?
No, I think she'll go even if she finishes fourth. I think after last season, Karen and Bradie will be in good standing with the USFS (Karen especially). But personally I hope Audrey Shin makes the team over Bradie or Mariah lol (for Karen/Audrey/Alysa).
 
No, I think she'll go even if she finishes fourth. I think after last season, Karen and Bradie will be in good standing with the USFS (Karen especially). But personally I hope Audrey Shin makes the team over Bradie or Mariah lol (for Karen/Audrey/Alysa).
I get the impression that Bradie will be given more leeway than the rest as well. Meritorious service indeed. Haha

I for one hate being chosen on past results, but why waste my time ranting again since the Feds choose the skaters for entry? Me wasting words won’t change that, so you got to play the political as well as sporting game in this sport.
 
Alarm bells should be ringing for Mariah because the youngsters are starting to get some distance between themselves and her.

It feels that the momentum is not with her at the moment.

As for Bradie, the stories of her demise might be greatly exaggerated.

But, here is a what if: What if Bradie bombs at nationals? USFS has already demonstrated they will leave behind an underperforming Bell, no problem.

However, will they be as quick to pull the plug on Bradie, or does she get the Olympic spot because of “meritorious service to US figure skating” or whatever derivative of corporate speak they use in the press release to nicely denote that she is being chosen for lifetime achievement rather than current results?
We have not seen Bradie compete yet this season. My prediction for now is that she will skate strong at Nationals, but have problems with underrotating (which the US ladies have a tendency to do already). Mariah does not underrotate a huge amount of the time, but her landings tend to be scratchy. We will have to wait and see how the US ladies do at the Grand Prix events.
 
We have not seen Bradie compete yet this season. My prediction for now is that she will skate strong at Nationals, but have problems with underrotating (which the US ladies have a tendency to do already). Mariah does not underrotate a huge amount of the time, but her landings tend to be scratchy. We will have to wait and see how the US ladies do at the Grand Prix events.
I think Bradie, Mariah, and Karen are in that tier of experienced skaters that, if they medal at Nationals, they'll go to the Olympics even if they have a rough GP season. Skaters like Amber and Lindsey will have to do more than just be great at Nationals. Amber has opportunities to face off against Bradie, Audrey, and Alysa during the GP series and beating any of them will help, as I think medaling in her events will be a tough task. Lindsay is off to a good start in the Jr GP series and hopefully she continues to show improvement.
 
I get the impression that Bradie will be given more leeway than the rest as well. Meritorious service indeed. Haha

I for one hate being chosen on past results, but why waste my time ranting again since the Feds choose the skaters for entry? Me wasting words won’t change that, so you got to play the political as well as sporting game in this sport.
Perhaps you're feeling this way because Bradie is quite respected among fans even if she's not one they prefer?

I don't think USFSA particularly wanted her as their number one over the years but she was consistently producing decent results while other US women were unreliable. They were more than ready to promote Mariah in 19/20 season and I don't think they'd hesitate to take others if two US women who are not Alysa consistently outscore Bradie during the season.
 
She got q's which i think are slightly better pointswise than an underrotations, but she also got calls on her flip edge for i think every flip she did.

I haven't looked at her other competitions, but the concern is going to be that if she gets the reputation of someone that under-rotates then judges tend to look quite closely at those skaters jumps
There is an epidemic of flip calls this year-including Trusova and Valieva. They used to just pick on Kaori, but now everyone is getting called out...lol. The problem is we have an entire generation of skaters who do the flip like this, and it is hard to unlearn. While I am in favor of calling the wrong edge on a lutz, the flip call seems to me to be nitpicking over a stylistic issue.
 
There is an epidemic of flip calls this year-including Trusova and Valieva. They used to just pick on Kaori, but now everyone is getting called out...lol. The problem is we have an entire generation of skaters who do the flip like this, and it is hard to unlearn. While I am in favor of calling the wrong edge on a lutz, the flip call seems to me to be nitpicking over a stylistic issue.

Well Valieva is likely to have PCS, spins and a steady triple axel (& likely at least 1 quad), and we all know Trusova can throw 5 quads - all points advantages internationally over Alysa; they can better absorb the flip edge call vs. Alysa.
 
There is an epidemic of flip calls this year-including Trusova and Valieva. They used to just pick on Kaori, but now everyone is getting called out...lol. The problem is we have an entire generation of skaters who do the flip like this, and it is hard to unlearn. While I am in favor of calling the wrong edge on a lutz, the flip call seems to me to be nitpicking over a stylistic issue.

Except calling only a lutz edge means a skater with a correct flip and an iffy lutz will be disadvantaged.
 
No, I think she'll go even if she finishes fourth. I think after last season, Karen and Bradie will be in good standing with the USFS (Karen especially). But personally I hope Audrey Shin makes the team over Bradie or Mariah lol (for Karen/Audrey/Alysa).

Have you seen Audrey skate this year? Because, her jumps are downgrades. I think she's about 7/8 on the list of ladies the US should send. A team of Karen, Audrey, and Alysa is just asking for a bunch of UR and downgrades.

Except calling only a lutz edge means a skater with a correct flip and an iffy lutz will be disadvantaged.

The problem I have is the technical controllers like to call lips but they ignore so many flutzes. They are also so inconsistent. Both lips and flutzes should be called and called consistently but in both the junior and senior competition last night some obvious edges were ignored and some very subtle edge issues ( Alysa's) were called. It isn't good judging.
 
There is an epidemic of flip calls this year-including Trusova and Valieva. They used to just pick on Kaori, but now everyone is getting called out...lol. The problem is we have an entire generation of skaters who do the flip like this, and it is hard to unlearn. While I am in favor of calling the wrong edge on a lutz, the flip call seems to me to be nitpicking over a stylistic issue.
Anything that looks remotely flat for a flip is dilligently called out but egregious flutzes are ignored. The ISU's own training videos say that a deep inside edge is a poor quality flip too. I just don't buy that they can see the difference between slight inside and flat but not the difference between flat or clear inside and deep outside.

It's honestly so frustrating as a fan when you spend the time to understand the rules only to find that the judges don't follow them anyway.
 
Is it a thing that is you have the correct Lutz edge, you are more likely to lip?

Seems weird that Sasha, Kamila and Alysa who all have zero Lutz edge issues are getting dinged on their flip.
Yes, most skaters tend to either lip or flutz. It is related to each skaters individual anatomy. Those with good outside Lutz edges tend to lip. Rika Kihira is the only women skater ( that I can think of right now) with a really pronounced outside Lutz edge who has never gotten an edge call on her flip. Some skaters jump both from what is essentially a flat edge ( this is quite common actually-Kamila does this and so do many many other skaters from every country). Technical panels though tend to call flips and ignore rather obvious flutzes so flat edge jumpers like Kamila can get called on the flip but not the lutz even when both have a similar shallow take-off. Sasha, Alysa, Liza T. who all have clear lutz edges get called on their unclear flips, too. I don't mind the calls, but I do mind the inconsistency.
 
Perhaps you're feeling this way because Bradie is quite respected among fans even if she's not one they prefer?

I don't think USFSA particularly wanted her as their number one over the years but she was consistently producing decent results while other US women were unreliable. They were more than ready to promote Mariah in 19/20 season and I don't think they'd hesitate to take others if two US women who are not Alysa consistently outscore Bradie during the season.

This describes me perfectly. Bradie isn't my favorite, but she's a fighter. I respect that.

I also think she's underappreciated and often underscored.
 
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