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ptvvibezz said:
Bradie has also withdrawn from one of her CS assignments; Cup of Austria.

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More disappointing news. I'm still waiting for Nationals but, I'm going to bring up Michelle Kwan once again. Remember 2006 when they sent Michelle to Torino after she'd been injured most of the season? She ended up re-injuring herself once she got to Torino and left soon after. Lucky for Emily Hughes but, sad that it came down to this. If Bradie is not 100% at Nationals, I hope she and her coach decline an offer for a committee spot if she isn't ready to compete at a high level. :(
 
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mrrice said:
If Bradie is not 100% at Nationals, I hope she and her coach decline an offer for a committee spot if she still isn't read to compete at a high level. :(
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I can't see Bradie getting selected without a high finish at Nationals. She wasn't the highest placing American at Worlds, she's not the best American on technical merit, and she isn't an Olympic individual medal contender.
 
drivingmissdaisy said:
I can't see Bradie getting selected without a high finish at Nationals. She wasn't the highest placing American at Worlds, she's not the best American on technical merit, and she isn't an Olympic individual medal contender.
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You know, her poor finish at Worlds has really tarnished her reputation. With 3 spots, if she's Pewter, I'd send her "If She's Healthy" she might not be competitively sharp but, if she still has her great speed and technique, I hope she goes.
 
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drivingmissdaisy said:
I can't see Bradie getting selected without a high finish at Nationals. She wasn't the highest placing American at Worlds, she's not the best American on technical merit, and she isn't an Olympic individual medal contender.
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I agree with this, if Bradie doesn't compete until US Nationals, she will need to be first or second place to be chosen for Olympics. If she's third, they'll probably choose the pewter medalist, especially if the pewter medalist had scored over 200 several times in the season. If she's the pewter medalist, I can't see the committee choosing her knowing she didn't compete at all in the fall. That would be different if this were healthy, consistent Bradie, but that's just not the case now.
 
dancelion21 said:
I agree with this, if Bradie doesn't compete until US Nationals, she will need to be first or second place to be chosen for Olympics. If she's third, they'll probably choose the pewter medalist, especially if the pewter medalist had scored over 200 several times in the season. If she's the pewter medalist, I can't see the committee choosing her knowing she didn't compete at all in the fall. That would be different if this were healthy, consistent Bradie, but that's just not the case now.
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Alyssa, Karen, and Amber have surpassed 200 this season, and a few others including Mariah, Audrey, and Lindsey could do so in upcoming events. So, like you, I also think Bradie will have to do something special at Nationals if she's unable to compete and produce those scores internationally.
 
While I hope Bradie recovers fully, this does make the women's event at nationals way more exciting. Going into this season, I felt like Alyssa, Karen, and Bradie were pretty close to locking the 3 spots up (Alyssa and Karen for getting the 3 spots, and Bradie for being the most consistent internationally). But with Karen under performing in her tune up competitions and Bradie being injured, this definitely opens up the door for someone to make their first olympic team. My hope is that Mariah can finally put it all together and secure a top 3 finish at nationals. She had a real surge of momentum going into the 2020 worlds, and it's super unfortunate that the pandemic totally usurped that momentum.
 
If Bradie doesn't compete until Nationals, then the best she can do by the selection criteria is make Group 3 by placing top 3 at Nats. Currently she only has one international score that will count, from Worlds, which was a top 10 score. Even if she gets to 1-2 late challengers, she'll need to be in good shape to make Group 2. She'd need either 1 top 3 score or minimum 2 top 5 scores.

Top 3 is 217.2 or higher, which she's only done twice internationally (and once was at WTT). So not impossible, but hard coming off injury. Top 5 is 208.44 or higher, which she's definitely capable of. She'd need to be ready to hit that by Warsaw though, because she'd need to hit it more than once internationally for group 2.

Alysa is the only one with the international scores for group 2 at this point, so it's not the end of the world to only be group 3. But it is possible that someone else (like Karen) will manage it, and regardless it puts more pressure on the Nationals result.
 
dancelion21 said:
I agree with this, if Bradie doesn't compete until US Nationals, she will need to be first or second place to be chosen for Olympics. If she's third, they'll probably choose the pewter medalist, especially if the pewter medalist had scored over 200 several times in the season. If she's the pewter medalist, I can't see the committee choosing her knowing she didn't compete at all in the fall. That would be different if this were healthy, consistent Bradie, but that's just not the case now.
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I strongly Disagree. When they left Ross and Amber off the team as Silver Medalists, I was ok because they had never reached the top of the US Podium. This would be like the year they left Mirai at home after she won her Bronze in 2014. I was furious at that decision. If Bradie medals (Any Color) and defeats Karen, there is absolutely no reason to leave her off the team.
 
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Has Alysa Liu competed yet this season? As it is an Olympic year...assuming she is old enough, from what I've seen from her at US Nationals, she seems like a natural pick...if she can remain healthy, of course. Her jumping abilities seemed well ahead of the field.

mrrice said:
...the year they left Mirai at home after she won her Bronze in 2014. I was furious at that decision.
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I had mixed feelings about the whole Nagasu/Wagner thing in 2014 but ultimately I understood the rationale behind the decision and supported it. Wagner was part of the reason the US had 3 spots that year anyway. Although I can't help but wonder had they gone with Nagasu in 2014, how both would have fared in 2018 (assuming they stuck around).
 
R.D. said:
Has Alysa Liu competed yet this season? As it is an Olympic year...assuming she is old enough, from what I've seen from her at US Nationals, she seems like a natural pick...if she can remain healthy, of course. Her jumping abilities seemed well ahead of the field.



I had mixed feelings about the whole Nagasu/Wagner thing in 2014 but ultimately I understood the rationale behind the decision and supported it. Wagner was part of the reason the US had 3 spots that year anyway. Although I can't help but wonder had they gone with Nagasu in 2014, how both would have fared in 2018 (assuming they stuck around).
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Alysa is age eligible for the Olympics and has already won two challengers this season, Lombardia and Nebelhorn.
 
Sjs5572 said:
Alysa is age eligible for the Olympics and has already won two challengers this season, Lombardia and Nebelhorn.
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Alysa has looked good all season. She has a big challenge coming up in Canada but, she has been the clear leader of the US Senior Ladies. Also, check out some of Lindsay Thorngren's videos. She is an age eligible Junior who I think is a real threat to every Lady except Alysa.
 
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Although I can't help but wonder had they gone with Nagasu in 2014, how both would have fared in 2018 (assuming they stuck around).
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The good thing for Mirai is that it all worked out for her in the end. She got that coveted Olympic medal, which I don't think she would have in 2014 since she wouldn't have been selected for the team event. And she landed a ratified 3A, which she obviously didn't do in 2014.
 
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Alysa is age eligible for the Olympics and has already won two challengers this season, Lombardia and Nebelhorn.
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That's good news for her. I suppose the real Season is just beginning with the GP senior internationals likely underway at this point. I take it she won't really have the advantage of being in the "outsider" position like Bradie Tennell in 2018 or Polina Edmunds in 2014. Might be interesting to see how this plays out in 2022.

drivingmissdaisy said:
The good thing for Mirai is that it all worked out for her in the end. She got that coveted Olympic medal, which I don't think she would have in 2014 since she wouldn't have been selected for the team event. And she landed a ratified 3A, which she obviously didn't do in 2014.
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Well, that is true, and a good point. One could make a similar argument about Wagner as well, winning a team OLY medal in 2014. Neither really had a shot at an individual piece in either year, though, so that's that...
 
Bradie is obviously still injured why else would you pull out of almost every fall competition if you were not? If she was just a bit rusty that would be no reason to pull out of every competition she would still need to get out there and compete if only to get in front of international judges to see her new programs and get used to competing again but this nonsense that if Bradie finishes 3rd at Nationals she will get passed over is hogwash..
 
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mrrice said:
I strongly Disagree. When they left Ross and Amber off the team as Silver Medalists, I was ok because they had never reached the top of the US Podium. This would like the year they left Mirai at home after she won her Bronze in 2014. I was furious at that decision. If Bradie medals (Any Color) and defeats Karen, there is absolutely no reason to leave her off the team.
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I wasn't surprised that Ashley was chosen over Mirai because Ashley had lots of sponsors/endorsements in 2014 (not in 2018). Ashley had won medals at GP that season (BOW) too. Nowadays, Nathan got the most endorsements. I'm pretty sure Nathan will be on Olympics team even if he is not on podium at Nats. Sponsors like Team Toyota, Panasonic and Nike will push USFSA very hard! Just a side note, there are only 2 skaters are selected on Team Toyota for this Olympics season - Nathan and Alysa. So now you know who will get pushed by sponsors on ladies side. :)

At the end, selection for Olympics team is not as simple as what most people think (just win medals at Nats)

www.theatlantic.com

The Real Skating Winner Isn't Ashley Wagner, It's Her Sponsors

Former two-time defending U.S. Champion Ashley Wagner is absolutely thrilled with the United States Figure Skating federation and their controversial decision to send her instead of Mirai Nagasu to the Olympics. You know who's more thrilled? Her sponsors.
www.theatlantic.com www.theatlantic.com

Quote from article:
Bottom line: there's really no point in winning a US Women's Figure Skating national championship other than bragging rights. Further evidence that the national championship doesn't matter: two sources told USA Today that Wagner was making the team, "even if she's 10th."
 
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