2021-2022 US Women's Figure Skating

[drivingmissdaisy]

Karen is doing both segments of TE. I hope this blatant robbery fuels Alysa to do her very best for the individual.

It has happened before. Regardless of how you feel about the Sochi result, the TE snub did motivate Adelina Sotnikova to produce the two best performances of her career in 2014. However, I do suspect that Alysa turned down the TE on her own accord; she has been so much stronger internationally this season than the other two that I can't imagine she wasn't offered the spot.

 

[AlysaLiuStan]

If Alysa can become Beijing's Adelina, I will have no complaints.

 

[bytheriver]

Trusova is more likely to be the Sotnikova of this games - Adelina was already a junior world champion and medaled at both GPs and Euros that year. Not to mention the notorious home team advantage in Sochi.

Part of Alysa’s problem has been people’s sky high expectations for her. It’s great to want the best outcome possible for her, but it ends up contributing to her being seen as underperforming when she was really tracking as should have been expected. This Grand Prix season was an example of that - her not medaling wouldn’t be seen as a point against her if we didn’t spend the last three years promoting her as The One and a future Olympic champion.

I hope she skates well but more than anything I hope she enjoys herself. A top 7 finish is realistic, but let’s not delude ourselves into thinking that she will magically show up with her content from two years ago and be rewarded with suddenly cranked up PCS from the judges (which is what it would take for her to beat those that have been placing ahead of her).

 

[StitchMonkey]

At I the only one who thinks it’s kinda stupid? The DWTS part cause Olympics?

Are you implying that the Fed made their decision based on commercial opportunities/symmetry?

Well I don't wish anyone to bomb, if the Fed made the decision of the team event based on that, it would serve the Fed right if it blew up in their face.

I think whether we like it or not the Olympics is a marketing opportunity. DWTS is not just free publicity, but publicity that pays the skaters. I am not one to fault USFS trying to help their skaters get a pay check.

Thank about how many skaters started/were inspired because they saw someone at the Olympics. There is long term value to the sport if little ones fall in love and get inspired, and the reality is, DWTS can make them more mainstream (and help getting mommy and daddy to pay).

I mean really... you all don't think in 5-10 years we are going to see multiple Mexican American skaters that cite Donovan as their inspiration?
I sure hope to and expect to.

 

[ice coverage]

I think whether we like it or not the Olympics is a marketing opportunity. DWTS is not just free publicity, but publicity that pays the skaters. I am not one to fault USFS trying to help their skaters get a pay check. ...

Although you are free to speculate, let's be clear that there is no evidence that when USFS makes assignments that it is influenced at all by anything related to DWTS casting possibilities.

I think it is extremely farfetched that USFS officials responsible for assigning skaters to competition would let DWTS be any kind of factor in their decision-making.

 

[StitchMonkey]

Although you are free to speculate, let's be clear that there is no evidence that when USFS makes assignments that it is influenced at all by anything related to DWTS casting possibilities.

I think it is extremely farfetched that USFS officials responsible for assigning skaters to competition would let DWTS be any kind of factor in their decision-making.

well we clearly view the world very differently because i think it is farfetched that they don't take things like DWTS into consideration.

Frankly i don't think the human brain is even capable of it not being a factor at least on a subconscious level. We are humans, not vulcans.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

well we clearly view the world very differently because i think it is farfetched that they don't take things like DWTS into consideration.

Maybe so, but I can't think of team event assignments that we made on anything other than merit. Perhaps having Mirai do one part instead of splitting the dance assignments in 2018 was something I initially disagreed with, but it ended up being a wise decision. I do think having athletes appear on other shows is good for the sport though, so it might be possible that a skater's overall marketability might be taken into account.

 

[skatingiscool]

Well...she won't medal in the individual event barring complete meltdowns from the Russian's and mistakes from the Japanese women, so looking at it from the pov of Alysa/her team, forsaking the te to focus on the individual does not, in fact, make sense.

But o well, what's done is done. Fingers crossed that she is in proper form and can have two clean, amazing performances and manage a top 7 finish.

Yes. Alysa won't medal in individual event. No quad, no medal. It's almost guaranteed that Russians are going to sweep the podium. No doubt about that. However, Alysa should still try to place as top as possible. 4th finish vs 12th finish in individual event still make a BIG difference. Gracie Gold didn't win any medal but she won 4th place at Olympics ......still impressive. At least, Alysa still try her best and not finish between Mariah and Karen. Beat by someone like Mariah/Karen who even don't have 3/3.....um.... is just simply embarrassing.

 

[treblemakerem]

Beat by someone like Mariah/Karen who even don't have 3/3.....um.... is just simply embarrassing.

Wow what a rude thing to say. I guess a lot of people must have been pretty embarrassed last worlds then. And both of them did do 3/3 at nationals.

 

[bytheriver]

I’m willing to bet that they’re going to place similarly to how the ladies did in 2018, clumped together almost 1, 2, and 3. The question is just if it is going to be a cluster in the top 10 (USFS wishes), or in the top 15.

And if Alysa placed lower than Mariah or Karen it wouldn’t be embarrassing - they score higher on PCS which closes much of tech gap. And while Mariah doesn’t consistently perform a 3-3, I’d like to contest the idea that Karen doesn’t have one. She underrotates it often on the back half, but so does Alysa. We just are more used to Karen underrotating it because it wasn’t as big of an issue for Alysa until her growth spurt.

 

[moonvine]

But, one would think Tennell would get one too, if she decides to make a comeback.

I would also think Gabby Izzo could get the WC spot to SA due to her fourth place finish at Nationals.

Does this mean Lindsay T. and Clare Seo are stuck in Juniors for another year? Also, it looks like Andrews is done competing in the Senior Circuit, as she is far too behind to be considered.

There used to be some sort of clause one could invoke if one were injured/not competing for a year to get a GP assignment. Gracie used it to get Rostelecom spot way too early in her comeback. I don’t know if this rule still exists.

It is way too early to give out the SA host pick. They look at Nationals results but also at summer comps.

I expect Starr will decide when she’s done competing.

 

[moonvine]

I think this makes sense, and I would add on 2) that maybe they wanted to wait as long as possible for her to arrive so that they are sure she will pass the test in China as well, as a lot who recently had covid have experienced having a positive test in China because of the higher threshold in the tests.

But what I don´t understand is why they would let Karen do the whole Team Event. That seems like a lot. I´m sure the best for the whole team and her self would be to split it between Mariah and Karen.

When will it be official?

They will not split the ladies. Men and dance will split which means ladies and pairs cannot.

 

[moonvine]

Maybe so, but I can't think of team event assignments that we made on anything other than merit. Perhaps having Mirai do one part instead of splitting the dance assignments in 2018 was something I initially disagreed with, but it ended up being a wise decision. I do think having athletes appear on other shows is good for the sport though, so it might be possible that a skater's overall marketability might be taken into account.

Dance was not split in 2018 because the Shibs wanted to skate both parts (per Adam’s book).

 

[moonvine]

Yes. Alysa won't medal in individual event. No quad, no medal. It's almost guaranteed that Russians are going to sweep the podium. No doubt about that. However, Alysa should still try to place as top as possible. 4th finish vs 12th finish in individual event still make a BIG difference. Gracie Gold didn't win any medal but she won 4th place at Olympics ......still impressive. At least, Alysa still try her best and not finish between Mariah and Karen. Beat by someone like Mariah/Karen who even don't have 3/3.....um.... is just simply embarrassing.

Gracie is an Olympic Bronze medalist (team event)

 

[moonvine]

No you aren't the only one. DWTS is such a weird popularity contest of a show. I keep thinking that every season must be the last. But I guess it is one of the only ways for US figure skaters to make money off their image post Olympics.

It pays really well from what I understand. Providing one gets decently far.

 

[ice coverage]

... But, one would think Tennell would get one too, if she decides to make a comeback. ...

There used to be some sort of clause one could invoke if one were injured/not competing for a year to get a GP assignment. Gracie used it to get Rostelecom spot way too early in her comeback. I don’t know if this rule still exists. ...

Bradie would be eligible for "Return Skater" status for the 2022/23 GP season.

For 2022/23 GP season, the language for "Return Skater" would be something like:

... previously in the top 7 to 12 at the ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2020 or 2021 but since was injured and/or did not compete at all during the entire 2021/22 season, may be chosen, if applicable, as an Organizing ISU Member Skater, and in addition, may be considered as an Organizing ISU Member’s Choice and will be ranked in the list of Season’s Best scores by taking the Season’s Best points of their most recent season, if proof is given in writing by their ISU Member that they intend to continue their competitive career and their return is announced and confirmed by the date of the annual Selection Meeting. Such Skater or Couple is defined as a “Return Skater/Couple” and such a Return Skater/Couple does not need to fulfill the requirement of a minimum Grand Prix score.​

[Yes, I know that 2020 Worlds did not happen.]​

OTOH: For 2018/19 GP season (and her Rostelecom assignment), Gracie was a "Come Back Skater" -- which is a different category from "Return Skater."

Come-Back” Skaters/Couples: Skaters/Couples who were previously seeded (placed 1 to 6 within the past 10 years at a ISU World Figure Skating Championships) and subsequently did not participate in one or more competitive seasons will be given priority consideration to re-enter the ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating for selection of up to 2 assignments if they commit in writing to participating in two ISU Grand Prix of Figure Skating events and if such return is announced and confirmed by the date of the annual Selection Meeting. Such so called “Come Back Skaters/Couples” will not substitute any of the Seeded Skaters/Couples, mentioned under a). “Come Back Skaters/Couples” must not fulfil the requirements of the minimum Grand Prix score and would be considered for selection as an Organizing ISU Member Choice. A come back under this clause is allowed only once in their competitive career for any Skater/Couple.​

For reference: https://www.isu.org/docman-document...44-gp-general-announcement-2019-20-final/file

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Among the women at World Junior Singles Camp: Isabeau Levito, Clare Seo, Ava Ziegler, Josephine Lee, Kanon Smith -- all of whom were sitting together in Josephine's Instastory.

(It is possible that other women were at the camp, but happened not to be in the photo?)

With Tammy Gambill away in Beijing with Karen Chen, Laura Lipetsky apparently was with Kanon at camp (at Skating Club of Boston):

https://www.instagram.com/p/CZc2ZKRrDuh/ (Feb 1)​

 

[NanaPat]

It pays really well from what I understand. Providing one gets decently far.

It's been widely reported that DWTS pay for participants is strictly based on how far they get, and not on how big a name they are. If I recall correctly, the pay starts at around $100,000 for those who get eliminated first and rises to around $250,000 for those who make the finals. No bonus for the winner(s) as they dance (I almost wrote skate) the same number of weeks as the other finalists.

 

[Greengemmonster]

It's been widely reported that DWTS pay for participants is strictly based on how far they get, and not on how big a name they are. If I recall correctly, the pay starts at around $100,000 for those who get eliminated first and rises to around $250,000 for those who make the finals. No bonus for the winner(s) as they dance (I almost wrote skate) the same number of weeks as the other finalists.

Wow that's way more than figure skating pays isn't it???

 

[norwegianfairytale]

Wow, i´m glad I didn´t know honestly.



I´m glad she didn´t experience any trouble all though it´s still bad to miss training time.

 

[figureskatingandrainbows]

at this point I'd have Karen just do the whole TE because she's apparently the only one who didn't have COVID at Nats.