2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[Scott512]

Tursynbayeva is a paying customer to Eteri so she should get the attention that she pays for regardless of the fact that she's a "foreigner".

But she's a foreigner for competitive reasons only as she was born in Moscow. And I'm assuming when she was competitive she lived and trained in Moscow too.

 

[el henry]

For skating fans older than me - Has this situation ever happened before? - across all disciplines, throughout history - where one coach, one team, one country, one discipline, has (almost) all the skaters?

I'm sorry, this question as posed does not make sense to me.

How can one discipline have all the skaters? (I'm not trying to be snarky) Do you mean where one coach has two of the three world champion medalists in one discipline and they come from one country?

It's already been said before, but IAM still has more world medalists than Eteri's group, AFAIK. But since I don't follow coaches and don't care how many medals a "coach" racks up, (as opposed to skaters, whom I do follow and do care ) I couldn't tell you for sure.

 

[ELEk3k]

For sure.

I've said for years and it's why I've come in-and-out of the sport as a fan I wish figure skating would do more like a ranking system like tennis and golf due to see who gets into events and if in tennis and golf if most of the players are Americans so what they earn their way in. I think it's absolutely ridiculous that Russia can only have 3 ladies singles and only 3 pairs teams when they should have 4 pairs and more than 4 singles in ladies. And I'm not saying that if Russia has 8 of the top 10 ladies in the world at 1 time that they should have 8 spots but they should definitely warrant more than 3. And I believe to create longevity in the sport skaters that medal at 1 Olympics should get a wild card into the next Olympics if they're still competitive. And if they are not competitive then the country they come from gets to pick and choose who takes their place. No that's progress that's thinking that's marketing that's management that's moving the ball foward.

You are reading my mind. I still hesitate to create a topic for discussion about the problem of popularizing figure skating in the world. On the one hand, it is good that Russian figure skaters are pushing the boundaries, but on the other hand, until new winners from other countries appear, popularity may fall in the rest of the world, and this is bad. Until the current system of ratings and allocation of places changes. I am against the domination of one country, because this reduces the popularity in other countries, but the sport should be moved forward if possible. I am glad that my country is winning, but it is very sad that other countries will not catch up soon, because you will have to change the approach to training from childhood, and this is difficult and takes time.

 

[silveruskate]

When are programs announced? Isn't it earlier during the Olympic season so no one copies you?

 

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I think our community in St. Petersburg and Russia should think about consolidating and organizing a visit to the tournament for our colleagues from goldenskate.

When ticket sales will start I try to buy 6 tickets just for our goldenskate without extra cost and my margin. It will be clear tickets cost like for russians.

I shall try to catch the start of ticket sales but if I fail I would appreciate your selling me 2 nice C2 C3 tickets at cost (I am not sure about St.Petersburg - these are the central sectors in Megasport and Luzhniki).

 

[ELEk3k]

I shall try to catch the start of ticket sales but if I fail I would appreciate your selling me 2 nice C2 C3 tickets at cost (I am not sure about St.Petersburg - these are the central sectors in Megasport and Luzhniki).

I will try only buy tickets for the Russian Championship which will be held in St. Petersburg (because I live here)! I'm not ready to fly to other places in Russia - it's farther and more expensive than flying to Europe.

 

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For sure.

I've said for years and it's why I've come in-and-out of the sport as a fan I wish figure skating would do more like a ranking system like tennis and golf due to see who gets into events and if in tennis and golf if most of the players are Americans so what they earn their way in. I think it's absolutely ridiculous that Russia can only have 3 ladies singles and only 3 pairs teams when they should have 4 pairs and more than 4 singles in ladies. And I'm not saying that if Russia has 8 of the top 10 ladies in the world at 1 time that they should have 8 spots but they should definitely warrant more than 3. And I believe to create longevity in the sport skaters that medal at 1 Olympics should get a wild card into the next Olympics if they're still competitive. And if they are not competitive then the country they come from gets to pick and choose who takes their place. No that's progress that's thinking that's marketing that's management that's moving the ball foward.

I am fully with you on this. Even in track-n-field the country quota is 4. But I don't see any leeway for Russia in figure skating. And one should pray that they don't reduce it to 2 like in rhythmic gymnastics. We heard all these small countries argument many times same as how expensive it would be to have a qualification round for these small countries to let them all compete and let the best skaters participate at the same time. I also remember the argument from some people here that they would rather watch some skater from Morocco than 8 Russians competing with one another.

The big thing though is that the only relevant consequence of this quota in ladies figure skating is that Rusnats are the main event next season both drama wise and quality wise. I don't say that the Russian Olympic sweep is given. Anything is possible including some bad scenarios. But realistically the situation since this year is the same as in synchronized swimming and rhythmic gymnastics. There is Russia and everyone else. 99% is that there will be 3 ladies from OAR or whatever letters they will use this time listening to Chaikovsky. If podiums are going to be Russia only for some years to come 3 only quota makes very little sense.

 

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I will try only buy tickets for the Russian Championship which will be held in St. Petersburg (because I live here)! I'm not ready to fly to other places in Russia - it's farther and more expensive than flying to Europe.

I meant this coming Rusnats...anyway I'll do my best to catch the start of ticket sales. Something tells me that it will be very hard to get good tickets this time.

 

[Scott512]

You are reading my mind. I still hesitate to create a topic for discussion about the problem of popularizing figure skating in the world. On the one hand, it is good that Russian figure skaters are pushing the boundaries, but on the other hand, until new winners from other countries appear, popularity may fall in the rest of the world, and this is bad. Until the current system of ratings and allocation of places changes. I am against the domination of one country, because this reduces the popularity in other countries, but the sport should be moved forward if possible. I am glad that my country is winning, but it is very sad that other countries will not catch up soon, because you will have to change the approach to training from childhood, and this is difficult and takes time.

We are on the same wavelength for the most part. But this is a competitive sport and the strongest survive. Just like in golf and tennis and skiing and speedskating and so on. It's not Russias fault no other country can put up the pairs and ladies Russia has. Now Russia is good in dance again and getting better in men's. Now it's up to other countries that have the funding to get better. Obviously China is elite in pairs and Japan elite in men's.

I want to grow the popularity of figure skating to and I think anybody in any country would love to see the best compete.

I am surprised Ukraine has fallen off the map in figure skating I have to success of oksana and Petrenko in the early nineties. That would have been like having Alina and plushenko as Olympic champions at the same time and then the sport not grow. Its other countries responsibilities to try to catch up to Russia. In all disciplines I don't think Russia is that much better than the rest of the world and that's a good thing.

 

[Amei]

But she's a foreigner for competitive reasons only as she was born in Moscow. And I'm assuming when she was competitive she lived and trained in Moscow too.

Yes, I think the OP that I replied to might be thinking about the year prior to Sochi where the Russian Fed clamped down and wouldn't allow Russian coaches (I'm assuming this was based on a coach getting Fed funding) to train non-Russian skaters; while yes Tursynbayeva is by birth a Russian she does not compete for Russia which made her fall under that ruling and that's how she ended up in Canada being coached by Orser.

 

[flanker]

You are reading my mind. I still hesitate to create a topic for discussion about the problem of popularizing figure skating in the world. On the one hand, it is good that Russian figure skaters are pushing the boundaries, but on the other hand, until new winners from other countries appear, popularity may fall in the rest of the world, and this is bad. Until the current system of ratings and allocation of places changes. I am against the domination of one country, because this reduces the popularity in other countries, but the sport should be moved forward if possible. I am glad that my country is winning, but it is very sad that other countries will not catch up soon, because you will have to change the approach to training from childhood, and this is difficult and takes time.

There was a very long dominance of the US ladies and about the quarter of the world gold medals were won by them. I take it the way that in tennis for instance Federer, Djokovic or Nadal have fans all around the world, in skating skaters could have the support all around the world too. After all I am not Russian and if those fantastic skaters were from a different country than Russia, I would be still supporting them although I admit particular similarities in slavic mentality or taste make it easier (even if many people in my country would rather die than admit that ).

 

[Thrashergurl]

Medo is the biggest loser of this whole situation. She would really need personal attention to restore her (now inferior) tech content. But now she won't get it.

Eh. Zhenya has won everything there is to win, except an Olympic gold medal. She has more longevity than the current crop will have and her loss at the Olympics was by the slimmest margin. She is adored worldwide and not just in Russia. Something tells me she will be okay even if she never returns to competition.

 

[ELEk3k]

I am surprised Ukraine has fallen off the map in figure skating I have to success of oksana and Petrenko in the early nineties. That would have been like having Alina and plushenko as Olympic champions at the same time and then the sport not grow. Its other countries responsibilities to try to catch up to Russia. In all disciplines I don't think Russia is that much better than the rest of the world and that's a good thing.

This is just my opinion about figure skating, and it is not related to the politics between Russia and Ukraine (I don’t want to add a political context to this forum).

The Soviet school is still preserved in Ukraine, but seeing how they abandon a common past in all areas, this also affects sports (in terms of disciplines). In this sense, I am not surprised that the level is falling and this is bad. After 2014, quite a few athletes and juniors in various sports moved to Russia from Ukrain. I don’t think the Soviet school is the best, but for some sports it was very good. It's just that in Russia they tried to keep the best and remove the outdated, but this does not work everywhere. Although, if you look at the statistics, Russia is usually in the top five in terms of the number of Olympic medals.

As Harutyunyan said earlier, Chen's mother compensated for his sport gap in the United States, by childhood to different sections sending in early. It was able to almost recreate the level of the USSR school.

 

[ELEk3k]

We are on the same wavelength for the most part. But this is a competitive sport and the strongest survive. Just like in golf and tennis and skiing and speedskating and so on. It's not Russias fault no other country can put up the pairs and ladies Russia has. Now Russia is good in dance again and getting better in men's. Now it's up to other countries that have the funding to get better. Obviously China is elite in pairs and Japan elite in men's.

I am very pleased with the progress of Italy. But I also want fun from Japan, China, Canada, USA and other countries.
I read a lot about how this sport is dying out in the USA and Canada, and it is killing me! After all, these countries have brought innovation to figure skating!
I have favorite skaters from Japan and the USA (not only girls), but I am very worried that their school is not ready to do something new at a young age (excluding Japan).
On the other hand, it is sad that other countries think that we have animals who want to put on quads and kill the child's for sport (by our legislation it have acriminal responsibility for that.)

 

[Scott512]

I am very pleased with the progress of Italy. But I also want fun from Japan, China, Canada, USA and other countries.
I read a lot about how this sport is dying out in the USA and Canada, and it is killing me! After all, these countries have brought innovation to figure skating!
I have favorite skaters from Japan and the USA (not only girls), but I am very worried that their school is not ready to do something new at a young age (excluding Japan).
On the other hand, it is sad that other countries think that we have animals who want to put on quads and kill the child's for sport (by our legislation it have acriminal responsibility for that.)

I am glad Italy is improving and now they have one of nastyas former coaches Turenko there.. she put together some tremendous underappreciated and underscored programs for Nastia and in Italy she should do just fine. Except maybe in the weight department where she will probably add a few pounds.
The food is great there!

Nathan Chen is carrying American figure skating in Canada is in a downward spiral but they just won the team gold in 2018. Things change fast in this sport and because Russians are doing well should not mean the sport should be less popular. As in America and I love to watch many of the Russian skaters in all disciplines and when America gets better besides men's I will be more interested in them but for now Russia has earned my vote so to speak. it's up to America and other countries to take my attention off the Russians and for the most part they are not doing it. That's Sports and that's life.

 

[Scott512]

This is just my opinion about figure skating, and it is not related to the politics between Russia and Ukraine (I don’t want to add a political context to this forum).

The Soviet school is still preserved in Ukraine, but seeing how they abandon a common past in all areas, this also affects sports (in terms of disciplines). In this sense, I am not surprised that the level is falling and this is bad. After 2014, quite a few athletes and juniors in various sports moved to Russia from Ukrain. I don’t think the Soviet school is the best, but for some sports it was very good. It's just that in Russia they tried to keep the best and remove the outdated, but this does not work everywhere. Although, if you look at the statistics, Russia is usually in the top five in terms of the number of Olympic medals.

As Harutyunyan said earlier, Chen's mother compensated for his sport gap in the United States, by childhood to different sections sending in early. It was able to almost recreate the level of the USSR school.

Interesting. I don't think you're adding anything political and discussing this I'm just wondering why you crying fell off the map in figure skating weather in the early to mid-1990s they had Olympic champions Oksana in 1994 and Viktor Petrenko in 1992. They should have added many top Pairs and dance teams but never did and I don't think they ever had and Elite lady skater again. If they kept some of the Soviet system they should have produced more.

 

[Vlad Karigov]

EG could bring young Sergei back! She needs more coaches.

Didn't Sasha leave TT because she couldn't get enough personal attention?

But this is a good move as far as increasing her chances to make the Olympic team. If Sasha gets the EG bounce back watch out. She could beat the KaMissle and Anna!

What happens to aliona now? Sasha returning to TT reduces AKs chances to make the Olympic team in my opinion.

It's in serious what I'm reading ... they think Eteri is going to humiliate himself by calling the guy who betrayed the entire Tutberidze team by leaving and starting promote that the parents of the novices to get their daughters out of Sambo 70 to go to camp of Plushenko ... Rozanov will never again set foot on a track where Eteri is ... in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if he was vetoed by other coaches and the federation itself ...

 

[Minz]

I'm sorry, this question as posed does not make sense to me.

How can one discipline have all the skaters? (I'm not trying to be snarky) Do you mean where one coach has two of the three world champion medalists in one discipline and they come from one country?

It's already been said before, but IAM still has more world medalists than Eteri's group, AFAIK. But since I don't follow coaches and don't care how many medals a "coach" racks up, (as opposed to skaters, whom I do follow and do care ) I couldn't tell you for sure.

What I'm talking about is where one coach is has almost all the skaters from one country, and all of these students are in the same discipline, and are dominating everything, like what we've see here. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[ELEk3k]

Interesting. I don't think you're adding anything political and discussing this I'm just wondering why you crying fell off the map in figure skating weather in the early to mid-1990s they had Olympic champions Oksana in 1994 and Viktor Petrenko in 1992. They should have added many top Pairs and dance teams but never did and I don't think they ever had and Elite lady skater again. If they kept some of the Soviet system they should have produced more.

To be honest, I have indicated an approximate date. In fact, in various sports, Ukraine began to down after bracking of USSR. But this is no longer my business and I would not like to comment on Ukraine. Let them speak for themselves. For my part, I would like to wish good luck and success to Ukrain athletes!

 

[el henry]

What I'm talking about is where one coach is has almost all the skaters from one country, and all of these students are in the same discipline, and are dominating everything, like what we've see here. Sorry for the confusion.

Well, except for Liza of course

IAM has the top three American ice dance teams, and the US is historically good at ice dance. But of course at IAM the coaches are not American.

I don’t recall it happening in the past in the US, even when American skaters swept a podium, because in systems where elite skaters still pay for coaching the same way that everyone else does, there is incentive to find the coach who will work for you, and mostly you. So in olden times, Frank Carroll for example would not have been interested in any of Michelle Kwan’s competitors. No one in the US cares about the coach that much or takes pride in a coach’s team, either then or now, so there would be no external pressure either.

can’t speak to other countries,