2021-22 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[Jontor]

For skating fans older than me - Has this situation ever happened before? - across all disciplines, throughout history - where one coach, one team, one country, one discipline, has (almost) all the skaters?

Well I am super old, started watching figure skating in 1994.

Back then
Butyrskaya had Kudriavtsev then changed to Tchaikovskaia.
Markova had Buyanova (I think Olga Markova might be the first girl that Buyanova ruined)
Slutskaya always had Gromova
Volchkova had Kudriavtsev then changed to Vasiliev
Soldatova had Kudriavtsev then changed to Tchaikovskaia (like Butyrskaya did)
Sokolova had Kudriavtsev then changed to Mishin.

These were the top ladies in the 90s. I don't think anyone was with the same coach at the same time, except maybe for Butyrskaya and Soldatova, but Soldatova was all over the place and also changed nationality to Belarus and then changed back. It seems that Kudriavtsev was a successful ladies coach at the time but I don't remember him having more than one (maybe two) of the top girls to focus on. He is a couple of years older than Mishin but has retired long ago but still has skating camps in Moscow and Switzerland.

I think you can compare Kudriavtsev with Davydov of today. A good coach that brings forth many good skaters, but they always leave him. Back in the 90s, Tchaikovskaia was definitely seen as the greatest coach.

In the 2000s the Russian ladies were not as strong.

So no, never seen this total dominance from one coach before. I remember Mishin was big with the men at times but it was never this big.

 

[Jontor]

I think our community in St. Petersburg and Russia should think about consolidating and organizing a visit to the tournament for our colleagues from goldenskate.

When ticket sales will start I try to buy 6 tickets just for our goldenskate without extra cost and my margin. It will be clear tickets cost like for russians.

I would looove to go to Saint Petersburg. It's pretty close to Stockholm and I always found the city fascinating. And then, I found out that I am distantly (very distantly) related to an old swedish-russian architect who built many houses in SP, among them Hotel Astoria. So I would of course love to check out his work.

I still can't believe it, that when Worlds finally came to my city, Stockholm, I couldn't go...!!! So, now all my focus will be to visit Saint Petersburg instead. And we all know, Russian Nationals is better than Worlds...

It's still early days though, I don't even know at this point if I am able to travel anywhere in december.

 

[ELEk3k]

It's pretty close to Stockholm

I was in Stockholm. In my opinion our cities have a lot in common: architecture, lots of water, and charm. You have many small tunnels in the city, and if I correctly rememar there is a lamp on each window. I really liked the city! The only disappointing thing was that modern buildings tend to the city center. We also have such a problem, but we stopped it. Stockholm, one of the most beautiful cities I've been to.

 

[ELEk3k]

And then, I found out that I am distantly related to an old swedish-russian architect who built many houses i SP, among them Hotel Astoria.

If you are a distant relative of Lidval, Fyodor Ivanovich, then he built about 30 buildings in St. Petersburg that are of historical value. Every tourist sees at least 2-3 buildings of your relative arriving in St. Petersburg. You have the opportunity to see the fruits of your ancestors! This is incredible!

 

[ELEk3k]

Question - Does anyone think that there is going to be some sort of "announcement" about Kostornaia from Eteri? She's almost certainly staying - but she's still technically on probation until May 5th.

I don't think you should wait. In our country, such things are rarely reported.

 

[Jontor]

If you are a distant relative of Lidval, Fyodor Ivanovich, then he built about 30 buildings in St. Petersburg that are of historical value. Every tourist sees at least 2-3 buildings of your relative arriving in St. Petersburg. You have the opportunity to see the fruits of your ancestors! This is incredible!

Well, I am a veeeery distant relative. His father, Jon Peter Lidvall (in Russia called Ivan Petrovitj) was a cousin to one of my ancestors. He came from a small village called Liden up in middle Sweden (thus the name Lidvall, both of my parents are from that village so that's why I am distantly related).
Jon Peter Lidvall/Ivan Petrovitj, who had lost his parents, came to Saint Petersburg in a young age in 1859 and he started working as a tailor in a tailor shop. The shop owner died and he married the widow, then she died so he inherited all the business. He re-married and got 8 children. He managed to befriend one of the employees at the Russian court so he got the job in doing all the Tsar families clothes. Three of his sons took over the blooming tailoring business after he died, but one of the sons, Fredrik Lidvall (Fyodor Ivanovich) became an architect instead (another son, Paul, was an athlete and had the Russian record on 110 m hurdles).
The whole Lidvall family had to escape to Sweden in 1917 when the revolution came, which was strange for them, they were all born in Russia and didn't know any Swedish! Fredrik Lidvall/Fyodor Ivanovich has built a few buildings here in Stockholm as well.

But that story aside, I have always had a fascination for Saint Petersburg. The history of the city is very connected to Swedish history.

Sorry for the off topic...

 

[Decoder]

Well, I am a veeeery distant relative. His father, Jon Peter Lidvall (in Russia called Ivan Petrovitj) was a cousin to one of my ancestors. He came from a small village called Liden up in middle Sweden (thus the name Lidvall, both of my parents are from that village so that's why I am distantly related).
Jon Peter Lidvall/Ivan Petrovitj, who had lost his parents, came to Saint Petersburg in a young age in 1859 and he started working as a tailor in a tailor shop. The shop owner died and he married the widow, then she died so he inherited all the business. He re-married and got 8 children. He managed to befriend one of the employees at the Russian court so he got the job in doing all the Tsar families clothes. Three of his sons took over the blooming tailoring business after he died, but one of the sons, Fredrik Lidvall (Fyodor Ivanovich) became an architect instead (another son, Paul, was an athlete and had the Russian record on 110 m hurdles).
The whole Lidvall family had to escape to Sweden in 1917 when the revolution came, which was strange for them, they were all born in Russia and didn't know any Swedish! Fredrik Lidvall/Fyodor Ivanovich has built a few buildings here in Stockholm as well.

But that story aside, I have always had a fascination for Saint Petersburg. The history of the city is very connected to Swedish history.

Sorry for the off topic...

Very Interesting, good story lines for a book. Thanks for sharing!

 

[LiamForeman]

Interesting. I don't think you're adding anything political and discussing this I'm just wondering why you crying fell off the map in figure skating weather in the early to mid-1990s they had Olympic champions Oksana in 1994 and Viktor Petrenko in 1992. They should have added many top Pairs and dance teams but never did and I don't think they ever had and Elite lady skater again. If they kept some of the Soviet system they should have produced more.

You got no respect for Freakin' Liashenko!!!! Bad Scott!!! lol

 

[Jontor]

You got no respect for Freakin' Liashenko!!!! Bad Scott!!! lol

Lol! Oh Liashenko! I used to love her. Wasn't she the one with the biggest jumps ever? She was a bit of a hit or miss though...

 

[LiamForeman]

Lol! Oh Liashenko! I used to love her. Wasn't she the one with the biggest jumps ever? She was a bit of a hit or miss though...

No, Freakin' had the longest jump set-ups ever!! Awkward jump entrances. It was Yulia Lavrenchuk that had the enormous lutz and also circled the rink twice for her 3loop set-up!! I forget who their coach was, she was young and reminded me of Panova today.

 

[Jontor]

No, Freakin' had the longest jump set-ups ever!! Awkward jump entrances. It was Yulia Lavrenchuk that had the enormous lutz and also circled the rink twice for her 3loop set-up!! I forget who their coach was, she was young and reminded me of Panova today.

Oh yes, now I remember. Lavrenchuk and her Lutz. Can't remember all those long set ups though. Makes me want to watch them again at YT!

 

[JazzUp]

Turns out, Liza has decided to return to CSKA, after all:

 

[Novalis]

Turns out, Liza has decided to return to CSKA, after all:

Good for her! I do see Davydov as the second best option in Moscow

 

[flanker]

Turns out, Liza has decided to return to CSKA, after all:

Good to read.

 

[flanker]

Kamila+Maiia strike again

 

[Vlad Karigov]

Thank you God, thank you very much ... thank you for giving common sense to Liza's parents ... it is very gratifying to see that the talent and beauty on the ice of this girl will not be thrown away as it would happen if it ended in that cursed camp...

Thanks Davydov, the fans arewaiting for the tough battle that she will give for the junior world podium with Akatieva, Samodelkina, and Petrosyan.

 

[florin]

From CSKA's internal correspondence - "Agent Birchbark has returned home. As a result of the operation, valuable information about the tactics of the opponents was obtained. Give the agent a bonus in the form of half an ice cream. Signed by General Buyanova"

 

[Vandevska]

OK, I didn't see this coming, but it seems the off-season and the new season starts with a...

What a way to start the thread huh, just what you'd expect from the off season.

 

[Novalis]

From CSKA's internal correspondence - "Agent Birchbark has returned home. As a result of the operation, valuable information about the tactics of the opponents was obtained. Give the agent a bonus in the form of half an ice cream. Signed by General Buyanova"

Sometimes it's a comedy. Sometimes it's a drama or a tragedy. But Russian Ladies FS can even be a spy movie

 

[Rus Skating World]