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I actually love Ksenia Sinitsina's coach or ,at least, I love the students that come from her academy. She emphasizes great basics. Her students always have great SS. The programs are unique and creative without being inappropriate for teenage girls. I believe that Panova's students may have difficulties due to lack of ice time. However, the skills and artristry she teaches are top notch. Ksenia had the second highest score among juniors when she last competed.
 
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Senior test skates were announced already, they are scheduled to 11-12 september in Sochi (not in Moscow). Junior test skates usually take place at the beginning of august, because JGP and domestic junior competitions already start in august. I guess it will take place on 31st july/1st august or the week after.
Thanks flanker! I can’t believe the season is starting so soon. Looking forward to some new Junior blood to compete internationally. My favourites are Adeliya, Sofia and Anna Frolova. These are the three girls out of top 6 at Russian Nationals without landed triple axels and quad jumps in competitions. I alway seem to root for these athletes.
 
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I actually love Ksenia Sinitsina's coach or ,at least, I love the students that come from her academy. She emphasizes great basics. Her students always have great SS. The programs are wonderful and creative without being inappropriate for teenage girls. I believe that Panova's students may have difficulties due to lack of ice time. However, the skills and artristry she teaches are top notch. Ksenia had the second highest score among juniors when she last competed.
Agreed! I don't know much about Panova, but her skaters always feel very well polished. I like the choreo, I like the performance quality. I think she's had some bad luck, but Ksenia is back with a 4T and a 3Lz-3Lo. Her assignments are hard. With her illness, she's basically going to be considered a first year senior and going against Aliona and Kamila for her first grand prix won't be doing her pcs any favors. I'm still hoping that she'll be on the podium for each of her assignments(Is that unrealistic? :coffee:).
 
I love Ksenia’s programs from Panova. Some of my other favourite skaters come from this group like Tarakanova, Alena Kanysheva and Frolova. Panova teaches great basics and her students standout with well thought out programs. I think she could be the second best Russian coach for ladies behind Eteri. She seems to lose the students and I think it is lack of ice time. I hope this year with Ksenia will be a breakout year for this coach because it would be nice for her to retain some of her students. This is her debut in the Senior Ladies circuit. I just hope Ksenia doesn’t get too nervous. Her best skate was at Egna cause she had the competition in the bag and that was the best she ever performed her two programs.
 
Agreed! I don't know much about Panova, but her skaters always feel very well polished. I like the choreo, I like the performance quality. I think she's had some bad luck, but Ksenia is back with a 4T and a 3Lz-3Lo. Her assignments are hard. With her illness, she's basically going to be considered a first year senior and going against Aliona and Kamila for her first grand prix won't be doing her pcs any favors. I'm still hoping that she'll be on the podium for each of her assignments(Is that unrealistic? :coffee:).
I think she has a realistic shot at 3rd at IdF. But SA is super tough. With Trusova, Usacheva, Sakamoto, You, Tennell as competition it will be hard. And who knows what Miyahara and Kim can do.
 
Thanks flanker! I can’t believe the season is starting so soon. Looking forward to some new Junior blood to compete internationally. My favourites are Adeliya, Sofia and Anna Frolova. These are the three girls out of top 6 at Russian Nationals without landed triple axels and quad jumps in competitions. I alway seem to root for these athletes.
We've seen Adeliya landing quads in training so I'm curious whether she will add them to her program already.
 
I actually love Ksenia Sinitsina's coach or ,at least, I love the students that come from her academy. She emphasizes great basics. Her students always have great SS. The programs are unique and creative without being inappropriate for teenage girls. I believe that Panova's students may have difficulties due to lack of ice time. However, the skills and artristry she teaches are top notch. Ksenia had the second highest score among juniors when she last competed.
I think I prefer the Panova skaters too. Why don't they get enough ice time to practice?
 
And other coaches will eventually figure out how to teach quads to older girls. It's not a matter of if, only when.
There was never a “secret” or a “specific method” that needed to be figured out. Pretty sure other coaches knew how to teach quads before too. It’s just there wasn’t a need for that, when tech contents with triples still were allowing them to do well. They didn’t do it, because it wasn’t necessary.
Now the bar was raised not just within Russia, but internationally as well and everyone knows that. We’ll still probably occasionally have podium finishes without ultra-C jumps from time to time, but it would be increasingly rare. Skate Canada will have how many 3A jumpers? That’s a clear message to everyone, without it the podium chance is minimal.

So what I mean is I’m sure now they all see that having a good chance of getting on any international podiums these days implies having these jumps. That’s why they are coaching girls to jump, and why girls themselves want to learn those jumps.
 
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I think I prefer the Panova skaters too. Why don't they get enough ice time to practice?
From what I know Snow leopards is a school with more successful hockey teams, hence figure skaters have to share their ice time with hockey players. If I remember correctly, they could only occupy ice certain hours of the day, which primarily means inconvenient hours.
They also don’t (or didn’t) seem to have enough proper rooms for off-ice training for figure skaters, so often they’d train in hallways and so on. Essentially, their school is more targeted at their hockey players, hence figure skating isn’t given as much of a priority.

Btw, linked an old interview with Panova. Interesting bit I found was how Sasha was going into one of her JGPs after a cold, and coaches were discussing with her whether they should remove quads from her programs, but Sasha said she won’t compete altogether if they don’t let her do quads. Speaks volumes about her determination and grit!
 
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There was never a “secret” or a “specific method” that needed to be figured out. Pretty sure other coaches knew how to teach quads before too. It’s just there wasn’t a need for that, when tech contents with triples still were allowing them to do well. They didn’t do it, because it wasn’t necessary.
Now the bar was raised not just within Russia, but internationally as well and everyone knows that. We’ll still probably occasionally have podium finishes without ultra-C jumps from time to time, but it would be increasingly rare. Skate Canada will have how many 3A jumpers? That’s a clear message to everyone, without it the podium chance is minimal.

So what I mean is I’m sure now they all see that having a good chance of getting on any international podiums these days implies having these jumps. That’s why they are coaching girls to jump, and why girls themselves want to learn those jumps.
I do agree with what you are saying. The standard has been pushed and this season, an Olympic seson, will be a showdown.

However, I also think that this might be a defining season and show how hard and difficult these ultra-c elements are.

Let's take a look at the potential 3A girls at Skate Canada:
Kostornaia - in the 2020 season she got the 3A in just a few months, and then she delivered all the time! She had a couple of URs but she NEVER fell on it. That was extraordinary and I don't think that will happen again. If she gets it back for this season, I expect her to be semi-consistent with it.
Kihira - she was really the disappointment of last season. Maybe it was because of all the COVID circumstances. But I think she is still a hit or miss when it comes to the 3A.
Valieva - I expect her to have a solid 4T for this season. But she's in that age where the body changes quickly and the 3A is a very vulnerable jump. Hopefully she can be solid with it.
Tuktamysheva - she is the one I am least worried about. Her 3A is in her backbone, and it is pretty solid, just a few stepouts now and then, but that's OK.
Liu - Frankly, I will be very surprised if we will see good 3A's from Alysa. She is the one that I think will have the most problems to get it back.
Higuchi - she has a powerful and fantastic 3A, when she lands it. But I will be surprised here too if she can deliver it consistently.

Did I miss anyone?

So, what I think is that there is a lot of potential out there, on paper at SC, but I am not so sure we will see it. The ultra-c elements means that the women will move towards what Men competitions are like - that is, some will succeed, some won't, and we might have some shocking results like Men often has, like Aymoz not even Q for Euros long, or Zhou not even Q for Worlds long.
 
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Amber Glenn. And still there is some chance for Sasha Trusova.
...and Usacheva. But those three will not be at Skate Canada.

But as they all are at Skate America, the first GP, I guess there is where the line is drawn, and what standards are required for this season.

It will be very interesting to see what happens, and exciting of course!! :D
 
Amber Glenn. And still there is some chance for Sasha Trusova.
And Young You. Who also won't be at Skate Canada. But she's added a quad now so I think she'll be back in contention for medals if she hits.

Crazy how "just" having a 3A might not be enough for a medal now.
 
And Young You. Who also won't be at Skate Canada. But she's added a quad now so I think she'll be back in contention for medals if she hits.

Crazy how "just" having a 3A might not be enough for a medal now.
But it might be enough. At least last season it was, Tuktamysheva proved that at Worlds this year.

That's why I think this will be a defining season. Will a 3A be enough? Or will the quadsters be successful and beat it?
And the ultra-c elements isn't enough to win. Anna showed that at Worlds where she won with no successful quad or a 3A, but she has two powerful backloaded 3+3s that made her the world champion. Would that be enough this season? We will see...
 
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But it might be enough. At least last season it was, Tuktamysheva proved that at Worlds this year.

That's why I think this will be a defining season. Will a 3A be enough? Or will the quadsters be successful and beat it?
And the ultra-c elements isn't enough to win. Anna showed that at Worlds where she won with no successful quad or a 3A, but she has two powerful backloaded 3+3s that made her the world champion. Would that be enough this season? We will see...
For sure, the quadsters are not guaranteed to beat the 3Aers. I was meaning more in terms of the sheer number of skaters attempting ultra-c elements will mean that if 4 ultra-c skaters land, then there'll be at least one who doesn't medal.

These are the numbers of known ultra-c skaters at each GP.

Skate America: 4
(Trusova, You, Sinitsyna, Glenn)

Skate Canada: 6
(Valieva, Tuktamysheva, Kostornaia, Liu, Kihira, Higuchi)

CoC: 2
(Shcherbakova, Khromykh)

NHK: 5
(Kihira, Trusova, You, Glenn, Liu)

IdF: 4
(Kostornaia, Shcherbakova, Higuchi, Sinitsyna)

Rostelecom: 2 - for now. 3 with Khromykh
(Valieva, Tuktamysheva)

So it could potentially happen at 4(!) out of 6 GPs. Of course, this is assuming that everyone hits their ultra-c and the likelihood of that is extremely low. However, there could potentially be unexpected ultra-c skaters as well.
 
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