2022-23 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[flanker]

The most frustrating thing is that many people want just that. To return to the good old days of simple triple (or even double) jumps. Some figure-skating Amish.

One interesting thing is that those people scream "change of edges in combo should eb penalized", but the same people wanted the sequence to have full value and it doesn't bother them there is an auxiliary step in the middle that makes sequence much easier than combos and nobody has to care about edges.

 

[Azikin]

It's quite ridiculous to see Adelia in seniors and Sofia A. in juniors.. and it's even more ridiculous that we can expect that for 3 more years...

 

[flanker]

It's quite ridiculous to see Adelia in seniors and Sofia A. in juniors.. and it's even more ridiculous that we can expect that for 3 more years...

Because of just one week...

 

[lariko]

Kostornaia's injury was to her wrist, not exactly something that's going to impact her ability to skate, while against Usacheva, Sinitsina does have a stronger case because she's not recovering from a serious injury; per my comment about Kostornaia's coaches politicking power, it applies to Usacheva as well and not just politicking power, but a track record of successful athletes winning at the highest level (including bringing them back from serious injury) whereas Sinitsina's coach doesn't have near the history that Usacheva's does.

And yes, Samodelkina (who is on the junior team this year), Petrosyan, and Muravyeva have no senior international experience - Sinitsina's experience is minimal and given their ages and technical arsenal they have better future prospects than her.

You disagree I understand, but IMO I understand and agree with the selections for Kostornaia, Petrosyan, and Muravyeva over Sinitsina. Usacheva, while I do like her as a skater, I think was pushed over Sinitsina based on politicking power of her coaches.

I saw both Sinitsina and Usacheva live in Sk. Am last year, and I favour Sinitsina. She is absolutely ephemeral on ice, as opposite to more robotic Usacheva. It works maybe when Usacheva is perfect, but I heard she was injured even then, so… it’s hard to say what full impact would be.

Yes, Sinitsina came 5th in that competition, but it was behind two Tutberidze’s skaters, Young You who was the only one to land 3A in that competition in FS, and Kaori Sakomoto who adds her own laudable qualities to being Japanese 1st girl that season. And we know how it ended for her eventually.

 

[Mauvedreamer]

It's quite ridiculous to see Adelia in seniors and Sofia A. in juniors.. and it's even more ridiculous that we can expect that for 3 more years...

It's a travesty!

 

[Amei]

Some hopeful news, the ban on the Russian bobsled & skeleton federation was overturned on appeal

https://www.sports.ru/bobsleigh/110...otmenil-otstranenie-federaczii-bobsleya-.html

 

[lariko]

Some hopeful news, the ban on the Russian bobsled & skeleton federation was overturned on appeal

https://www.sports.ru/bobsleigh/110...otmenil-otstranenie-federaczii-bobsleya-.html

Edit: Russia was never banned from ISU though… so ISU is ahead of the curve here.

 

[Amei]

Edit: Russia was never banned from ISU though… so ISU is ahead of the curve here.

Yes different organizations are calling it different things and can have different rules, Bach is publicly saying that they aren't being allowed to compete for their own protection, but I think its reason to hope that at this point at least in 1 instance the ban/protective measure (whatever the "official" term is) has not stood up to legal challenge.

 

[lariko]

Yes different organizations are calling it different things and can have different rules, Bach is publicly saying that they aren't being allowed to compete for their own protection, but I think its reason to hope that at this point at least in 1 instance the ban/protective measure (whatever the "official" term is) has not stood up to legal challenge.

Well, that’s exactly why ISU Congress didn’t even vote on kicking Belo/Russian delegations out. They, however, upheld the IOC requested ban on skaters competing just fine as it is within their jurisdiction, apparently. In other words, unfortunately, the bobsleighs just basically caught up to where figure skaters already are. Still members of the union, no, can’t compete in the regulatory body’s organized competitions. Russian women and men will be skating domestically unfortunately.

 

[hanca]

The last I saw, Sinitsina finished better than Kostornaya and she actually skated seniors vs Murav’yeva and Petrosyan. I would have had it as Murav’yeva and Sinitsina in main senior, Kostornaya, Kromykh and Petrosyan in senior reserve and Usacheva—in juniors, along with Samodelkina. But that’s me. At least everyone I like made it, and it’s pointless to protest the obvious thing.

Well, there are specific criteria according to which they qualify the skaters into the national team. And the bottom line is, Kostornaya has 2nd and 3rd place at GP from this season, whereas Sinitsina has 4th and 5th place. So what competition exactly Sinitsina skated better than Kostornaya? Sinitsina has 4th and 5th at the GP and 9th at the senior nationals. Are you seriously suggesting that those results earned her a place at the senior national team?
And Usacheva, who you would send to juniors, has 2nd from a GP event. Then she got injured. But a medal at GP is one of the criteria that is taken into account. Khromykh also has 2nd and 3rd at her GP events. As much as you love Sinitsnina, based on the results from this past season, and from especially international competitions, Sinitsina had much worse results than Khromykh, Usacheva and Kostornaya.

 

[icybear]

It's quite ridiculous to see Adelia in seniors and Sofia A. in juniors.. and it's even more ridiculous that we can expect that for 3 more years...

I wonder if wannabe skating mums now plan their child pregnancy so that their birthday fits the isu age criteria. After all elite skaters go into skating mostly cause their parents made them as a kid. I can see in 10 yrs or so, all russian ladies having birthdays in june.

 

[lariko]

Well, there are specific criteria according to which they qualify the skaters into the national team. And the bottom line is, Kostornaya has 2nd and 3rd place at GP from this season, whereas Sinitsina has 4th and 5th place. So what competition exactly Sinitsina skated better than Kostornaya? Sinitsina has 4th and 5th at the GP and 9th at the senior nationals. Are you seriously suggesting that those results earned her a place at the senior national team?
And Usacheva, who you would send to juniors, has 2nd from a GP event. Then she got injured. But a medal at GP is one of the criteria that is taken into account. Khromykh also has 2nd and 3rd at her GP events. As much as you love Sinitsnina, based on the results from this past season, and from especially international competitions, Sinitsina had much worse results than Khromykh, Usacheva and Kostornaya.

But she had a complete season, when it is unclear if Usacheva can even skate…. Anyway, in the end of the day, nobody get left out in women, so it’s minor. I don’t like some of men’s or pairs omissions far more than Sinitsina in juniors.

 

[icybear]

Looks like Plushenko pushing the propaganda wagon has paid off for Sofia Muravieva to have ousted 2 Eteri senior girls into reserve. And its not like the case with Alina and Evgenia where both were dwindling, Maya and Daria have barely started to show their peak. Although I can see the logic behind having Sofia over them both, with Maya being too inconsistent and Daria having no extra c element. In the past, Eteri could have been able to politick that spot for her own students. Not that I mind, because I'm looking forward to seeing more Sofia M.
As much as I want to see a revived Kostornaia, she only seems to be able to jump a triple sal in the past shows. It looks like she has regressed to being like Alina and Evgenia 1 jump ex.

 

[Flying Feijoa]

I wonder if wannabe skating mums now plan their child pregnancy so that their birthday fits the isu age criteria. After all elite skaters go into skating mostly cause their parents made them as a kid. I can see in 10 yrs or so, all russian ladies having birthdays in june.

Introducing ladies' singles, the event where couples compete based on family planning skills
On a nerdy note, this would probably favour the more fertile women. Not everyone can time conception within a month's window or carry fully to term

 

[Amei]

Looks like Plushenko pushing the propaganda wagon has paid off for Sofia Muravieva to have ousted 2 Eteri senior girls into reserve. And its not like the case with Alina and Evgenia where both were dwindling, Maya and Daria have barely started to show their peak. Although I can see the logic behind having Sofia over them both, with Maya being too inconsistent and Daria having no extra c element. In the past, Eteri could have been able to politick that spot for her own students. Not that I mind, because I'm looking forward to seeing more Sofia M.

I don't necessarily think Plushenko pushing propaganda is as much to do with it as it being the perfect storm of Muravyeva being consistent, being coached by someone other than Eteri, and Usacheva and Khromykh dealing with a significant injury and not the most consistent skater. I don't think the Fed is in love with the circumstance of 1 coach have most/all of the senior skaters like Eteri has had for so long, it gives that coach more power.

As much as I want to see a revived Kostornaia, she only seems to be able to jump a triple sal in the past shows. It looks like she has regressed to being like Alina and Evgenia 1 jump ex.

In general I try to avoid judging too much based off exhibition programs, it makes sense to go with an easy jump in show lighting and not risking an injury. But I will say I don't have a lot of faith in Buyanova who doesn't exactly have much in the way of success with ladies students recently, her draw lies with CSKA politicking.

 

[Lurker11]

Hopefully they don't overturn the Russian ban until just before the world championships because the Russian domestic season looks a lot more interesting and competitive than previous international seasons.

 

[JazzUp]

Kogan: «Athletes that would be 14 years old as of July 1, 2022 will be allowed to participate in the Russian Grand Prix and the Russian Championship of the upcoming season».

 

[macy]

i'm going to try and hold off making judgements/assumptions about Aliona until test skates. shows usually aren't an indicator of what's happening in training and she has pretty solid goals for a test skates showing.

 

[flanker]

A vid from Novogorsk with Kamila, Maiia, Dasha, Adeliia, Sofia and also Morisi Arseniy and Daniil:

 

[lariko]

i'm going to try and hold off making judgements/assumptions about Aliona until test skates. shows usually aren't an indicator of what's happening in training and she has pretty solid goals for a test skates showing.

Test skates are also not a perfect indicator. Wishing her all the luck!