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Shcherbakova if she wants to come back I think will still have her quads, but she was the athlete that showed some wavering on continuing her career if the ISU ban continued earlier in the off-season, she's won just about everything including the big one and she's had several injuries over the years. It wouldn't surprise me if she didn't continue or didn't push as hard this year at least.
 
Aaaaaaaaaaah, we are starting early this year about how Anna is done, will loose her jumps and is being replaced.... :tantrum:

Nah, Anna won't lose her jumps, and she won't be replaced as she is extremely tough to beat when at "full power" (or when less injured). No one has her nerves of steel.

However considering the fact that she lost some motivation after the current events and the fact that the other new seniors when clean can overtake her in Tech alone (specifically Adelia, Sofia S, and Kami) I am not sure if she can remain on the podium (if she chooses to compete this season with the same layout) without restoring the quad lutz or finally landing her 3A on ice. Her quad flip is very solid (in my opinion) and without any ultra-c she can out triple-triple most of her competition (other than Trusova).
 
But these are the same coaches that saved Anastasia's career and got her to skate world class at the Olympics and worlds.

I think the coaching staff does not like that little liza has spent so much time on social media looking looking fabulous and she is so this is natural for her. It's not fair. It's interesting both Liza and nastya are with the same coach and both have been on the Russian national team as reserves and gotten nothing out of not even a challenger.
To be fair, Nugumanova did three competitions last season and scored 159-167 in all of them. That’s very bad results for any Russian senior lady. Even decent Russian juniors score more. She admits in her interview that she attended the test skates and was not ready. Then she does three home competitions and scores less than Russian novice lady, and has such a bad results that she didn’t even qualify for the nationals - 11th and 5th place at the Russian cups, which were the qualifying competitions. I am not surprised that she didn’t get any challengers because with those results, Russians would feel embarrassed to send someone scoring total score in the 150s - 160s range.
 
Do we already know if Russia will adopt the new ISU rules in their cups? (I mean the new scores and judging rules like 2a seq, only 3 pcs categories, goe bullets changes.. not age rules)
 
I'm very happy Zhenya said something and had a very good statement about the situation. I sort of wish she was more firm in her words and more outraged in her words but overall it was a very good and very fair statement. I want plushy and yags to say their piece now and not hold back. I guess everyone has noticed that the women's and men's tennis tours are allowing Russian and Belarus tennis players to play. They just had the French open and there were no issues at all maybe somebody should say to the International skating Union what what tennis is doing is the right thing to do.

I agree about Zhenya but I never trust translations.
 
Do we already know if Russia will adopt the new ISU rules in their cups? (I mean the new scores and judging rules like 2a seq, only 3 pcs categories, goe bullets changes.. not age rules)

I would assume the adopt the new rules; I'm sure the Fed's hope is that the ban is rescinded soon and the hope would be that as soon as it is athletes will be ready to go to international competitions.

I do wonder if the age rules will impact domestic events, I mean why would you put a 14 year old in domestic senior events for 3 years before they can compete internationally
 
To be fair, Nugumanova did three competitions last season and scored 159-167 in all of them. That’s very bad results for any Russian senior lady. Even decent Russian juniors score more. She admits in her interview that she attended the test skates and was not ready. Then she does three home competitions and scores less than Russian novice lady, and has such a bad results that she didn’t even qualify for the nationals - 11th and 5th place at the Russian cups, which were the qualifying competitions. I am not surprised that she didn’t get any challengers because with those results, Russians would feel embarrassed to send someone scoring total score in the 150s - 160s range.
That cannot be denied and I thank her coaches lost interest in her after those very though it's very rough results and after she was so solid so excellent at nationals the previous year. I'm sure her coaches are also frustrated that Liza seems to be a social media czarina. But to see lies are not even getting a challenger last season to motivate her was really sad to be on the national team and not get anything it's pretty shocking even though we've seen it before.

I think Liza just lost some motivation when she figured even though she was on the national team answer of reserve but they didn't lineup any International competitions for her..
 
That cannot be denied and I thank her coaches lost interest in her after those very though it's very rough results and after she was so solid so excellent at nationals the previous year. I'm sure her coaches are also frustrated that Liza seems to be a social media czarina. But to see lies are not even getting a challenger last season to motivate her was really sad to be on the national team and not get anything it's pretty shocking even though we've seen it before.

I think Liza just lost some motivation when she figured even though she was on the national team answer of reserve but they didn't lineup any International competitions for her..
You keep saying that she should have got at least a challenger to motivate her…but that’s not how things work. As you see, she did not even qualify for the nationals because she was skating so badly. There is only limited number of spots at the challengers because there can be only three entries per country. If there is at least 18 skaters (all those who qualified for the nationals) from Russia better than her, (and maybe even more skaters), they would get priority in getting spots at the challengers. If she gets spots to motivate her, someone else who was skating better would miss out. How fair would that be to that skater? Do you want to check entries of all challengers from last year and name who you think should have been left at home so that she could get a spot?
 
You keep saying that she should have got at least a challenger to motivate her…but that’s not how things work. As you see, she did not even qualify for the nationals because she was skating so badly. There is only limited number of spots at the challengers because there can be only three entries per country. If there is at least 18 skaters (all those who qualified for the nationals) from Russia better than her, (and maybe even more skaters), they would get priority in getting spots at the challengers. If she gets spots to motivate her, someone else who was skating better would miss out. How fair would that be to that skater? Do you want to check entries of all challengers from last year and name who you think should have been left at home so that she could get a spot?

Russia is quite stingy on their Challenger assignments, the only Challengers where Russian Ladies competed last season was Warsaw Cup (1 athlete) and Finlandia Trophy (3 athletes). << Why they have not sent more athletes to Challengers I don't understand. But I will say I don't necessarily agree with the thought that someone (other than the athlete) should invest financially for a competition to motivate someone to train that's supposed to be an elite level athlete
 
You keep saying that she should have got at least a challenger to motivate her…but that’s not how things work. As you see, she did not even qualify for the nationals because she was skating so badly. There is only limited number of spots at the challengers because there can be only three entries per country. If there is at least 18 skaters (all those who qualified for the nationals) from Russia better than her, (and maybe even more skaters), they would get priority in getting spots at the challengers. If she gets spots to motivate her, someone else who was skating better would miss out. How fair would that be to that skater? Do you want to check entries of all challengers from last year and name who you think should have been left at home so that she could get a spot?
She was skating badly as you put it because she was unmotivated after being on the national team and not getting anything. Yes entries into competitions are incredibly difficult and if you're not in in good form you have very little hope. But what the fed did to Nastia was even worse and she was in much better form than Nugu when she was a reserve on a national team. But they will punish you if you act up or in nugu's case do big things on social media without the results. Liza is a little bitter and we should understand her emotions. I expect her to move on to another career the way Sonia is doing with coaching.
 
Has anyone ever seen footage of Anna's elements segments at 14/15, 15/16, and 16/17 Russian Novice Nationals Younger Age?

I've seen the SPs and FSs, but never the elements segments. Would love to track them down.
 
Has anyone ever seen footage of Anna's elements segments at 14/15, 15/16, and 16/17 Russian Novice Nationals Younger Age?

I've seen the SPs and FSs, but never the elements segments. Would love to track them down.

I tried looking at youtube and vk and wasn't able to find any elements segments.
 
Just a food for thought. IJF, International Judo Federation, announced that they won't discriminate anyone and Russians/Belarussians can attend international competitions (as neutral athletes). Inspiration, ISU?
 
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Just a food for thought. IJF, International Judo Federation, announced that they won't discriminate anyone and Russians/Belarussians can attend international competitions (as neutral athletes). Inspiration, ISU?

The tennis organization has done this as well (might have been the first) they even took a further step when Wimbledon banned the Russian and Belarusian athletes and stripped Wimbledon of being a tournament for ranking points.

But I've seen other people remark that even if the ISU rescinded the ban there could still be an issue of athletes getting visas to travel for competitions (though I've seen plenty of pictures of Russian athletes having clearly traveled for vacation this off-season so maybe thats not really a problem)
 
The tennis organization has done this as well (might have been the first) they even took a further step when Wimbledon banned the Russian and Belarusian athletes and stripped Wimbledon of being a tournament for ranking points.

But I've seen other people remark that even if the ISU rescinded the ban there could still be an issue of athletes getting visas to travel for competitions (though I've seen plenty of pictures of Russian athletes having clearly traveled for vacation this off-season so maybe thats not really a problem)
Anastasia Mishina spent a holiday in Italy, so it is obviously not as much a problem, only direct flights are mostly cancelled. I think in Europe only baltic states and, well, my own country, do not issue a visas for Russians now. Japan, which originally restricted the issuing of visas for Russians, renewed it (or announced they will renew it soon). So the travel to competitions would be probably more complicated but in most cases not impossible (if there will be int. competitions for Russian/Belarussians of course).
 
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Just a food for thought. IJF, International Judo Federation, announced that they won't discriminate anyone and Russians/Belarussians can attend international competitions (as neutral athletes). Inspiration, ISU?
US Open has announced that the Russian and Belarusian players can play under neutral status! ISU and Bach the clown from the IOC are just spouting the biggest bunch of BS!!
 
Just a food for thought. IJF, International Judo Federation, announced that they won't discriminate anyone and Russians/Belarussians can attend international competitions (as neutral athletes). Inspiration, ISU?
The problem with figure skating is the high degree of Russophobia long before any war with Ukraine, so the first opportunity other countries had to ban Russians from skating they took it. There's a lot of envy and jealousy especially for their dominance in ladies. Rarely did anyone say anything positive about Russians.
 
US Open has announced that the Russian and Belarusian players can play under neutral status! ISU and Bach the clown from the IOC are just spouting the biggest bunch of BS!!

The US Open organizers have said that it has nothing to do with the repercussions that the WTA & ATP levied on Wimbledon after Wimbledon said they were going to ban the athletes but IMO I doubt that it didn't have anything to do with it. So unfortunately I think unless the governing body of the sport has a backbone then the current status quo will stay. But ladies are going to take a step back (hey, they won't need a triple-triple to be on the podium at a GP this year, lol) and pairs is looking like a very scarce field so maybe after a few events if there is a dreadful enough viewership it will prompt a change. <<< My guess is the earliest the Russian/Belarussians will be allowed is after January 1. Because let's be clear once they are cleared to skate, at Worlds they are only going to get 1 spot per discipline because they didn't compete at the last Worlds so a lot of skaters will still miss the next Worlds due to 1 qualifying spot per discipline.
 
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