Thanks so much for the translation! It's intriguing to learn more about Eteri's process. So often only snippets are reported that alter the interpretation.translate:
0:10
ET: We'll see, of course. The generation has changed. They have other values...
(bring the dog)
TAT (to the dog): Hello! Hello honey. So I think - how do you live here?
ET: That's how [she lives]!
TAT (to the dog): How do you live here, dear? It's terribly cold here. Only we love it. Oh right now
ET: For the sake of the mistress, she is ready to endure everything ...
ET (turning to TAT): in general, no one promised us an easy life.
TAT: No, it's too much - as long as I live in the world, I have not seen this yet. We were dismissed then once, but such as now did not happen.
ET: No!
TAT: It has never happened so hopelessly - never. On the "direct line" they do not hear anything.
*Note: “they” is probably ISU.
ET: Well, they teamed up. There is nothing better than being "friends" against someone.
1:12
TAT: Pretty that girl.
ET: What girl? Is that the little one?
TAT: Yes, with sleeves. There is something on her sleeves...
ET: Yes, yes, by the end of the season she had already jumped all the quads.
TAT: I noticed her right away because of her sliding. I love it so much that they work so hard on this sliding and they are getting better and better.
ET: And here is Dashulka. Dasha Usacheva.
TAT: It is necessary with this generation really... Oh, my God. I still don't understand why? Why are these small children removed from the competition?
ET: I don't understand why they're doing all this... These suspensions.
TAT: I wrote to them there. I wrote to them - “For what?”
ET: But sports life is short. Short...
TAT: Why are these little ones, who are already able to win against everyone, being punished like that? They want the Russians to calm down bit. But we are a restless people. We won't let them... And when they let us out, we'll be like real animals - we'll take everything away.
2:16
TAT: Will she skate [the program]?
ET: She's worried, you can see it in her.
TAT: Come on!
ET (to Gleichengauz): Danya, she has been standing for a long time.
TAT: Have you already found all the musical material?
(Eteri shakes her head)
TAT: What do you need?
ET: I don't know, I'm somehow like that... The main thing is that there should be a combination with an athlete, and something could be said with this music.
5:37
TAT: So, can I say a few words later?
ET: Of course!
5:44
TAT: Well, your program is very beautiful. Yes, very beautiful, very musical program. And if you started to play it right before of the [musical] beat throughout the first part, then you would not be late for the second part. Do you understand? Because you have it - you probably think to yourself: “one, two, three, four” - and you did it, but you have to - “and one!”
ET: “And one!” To get into a musical beat, you have to start right before of the beat - ta-da-there, ta-da-there ...
TAT: That's right, “and - one!”.
ET: And you constantly heard and did, heard and did. And that's it, you lose it.
TAT: Not only are you lost it, you're late for the next musical phrase. We even will no longer tell you that your last jump was a double one - it was already just ugly.
ET: This is a disgrace.
TAT: I want to tell you something: before that you were jumping, and then you suddenly go away, lowered your head. And then - spin. You have good spin. But I want to see a very good spin. To do this, you need to turn your leg a little.
ET: And speed up.
TAT: Do it, please. May I ask you to do a spin?
ET: Which one?
TAT: In camel. First!
ET: Do a camel spin!
7:05
TAT: Here's a jump, yes.
ET: Faster!
TAT: Turn, turn the toe! Like this! Like this! Expand! Good! Feel your leg a little, turn your foot - and immediately you will have a different position, you understand? It turns out as if in full face - and it looks better. Something you got stuck on the step sequence ...
ET: Got stuck! For some reason it got stuck. The mood is gone, your face has moved out.
TAT: Here. In general, a good program. Can I look again at the starting pose? Wait, stop. Get further away.
ET: Move away, move away.
TAT: Yes, like that. Turn the leg that is behind.
ET: Turn your leg!
TAT: Turn it like this. Stop. Like this. Can't you feel that leg, does it move on its own?
ET: You press, hold.
TAT: Yes. Come on...
ET: The [correct] mood is very necessary here. You have to [start moving] again right before of the musical beat, so that completely... It's like your body is singing.
TAT: Here's a movement right before of the beat - it will give you the opportunity, as you do in the warm-up, to go to the next movement. And so you fail. All right, kitty, come on, run.
8:47
ET: Sonya Akatieva has not recovered yet. While I was away from her... Well, they just collided, her leg was severely cut.
TAT: I know. There are specific exercises...
ET: She was already in shape, she jumped Axel, Salchow, toe loop. And now it's all over again. Spin the bast, we start all over again.
TAT: Yes. That is, the injury, as such, has already healed?
ET: Yes. But nevertheless [muscles] need to be developed. I know her, she will catch up [the rest]. But now she returned to training and I see that she takes care of herself. I told her: “Wait, why are you taking care of yourself? Thank God, neither your joints nor ligaments were damaged. It was just a cut wound. That's it, now let's [work]”
9:31
TAT: What is the name of this girl?
ET: Dvoeglazova.
TAT: How?
ET: Dvoeglazova.
TAT: Dvoeglazova!
ET: I scared her all last season - I said that I would send her to pair skating. She beginned to jump all the quadruples in fear - just to avoid getting into pair skating.
TAT: Of course...
ET: Skate, skate, use leg, skate, and you get up again like this!
TAT: Here's a quad for you. Little one baby...
10:12
Daniil: While I hope that how proud I am of Kamila's short program... There she will show... It seems to me that there is both music and an idea.
TAT: Tell me what kind of music is there.
Daniil: I can turn on this music.
TAT: Turn it on.
Daniil: The only pity is that without Kamila, of course ...
TAT: Thank you. Well, you know - not all at once, a good little bit.
Daniil: I think it will be good...
TAT: I love this boy so much, I'm dying from him! Here is this boy. Good. And that girl with sleeves is also good.
ET: Praise and flattery at this age is not very good.
TAT: Even awful.
ET: Discipline! Discipline determines the result. The same weighing - this is discipline.
TAT: Of course.
ET: There is a [rule]. As I say, it should be written at the entrance [to the skating rink]: “Discipline determines the result.” It's all!
TAT: So write it down. (to Gleichengauz) Well, turn on the [music].
ET (to Gleichengauz): Maybe you can make a spiritual beginning for us (inaudible)
12:02
TAT: Amazing music! Simply amazing. And I've never heard it, and I listen to a lot
ET: What I liked - I really wanted to take Camila away from her usual image in her presentation and it seems that it worked out, and very well.
TAT: Very... Staging on a program to this music is pure pleasure.
ET: We have already staged the program.
TAT: Yes, I understand. Everything is here - one and the other. High and full...
ET: The main thing is that she could... so that she could collect everything by her intelligence (I'm not sure, it's hard to hear). She must be strong enough.
TAT: And you can do a step sequence, and that's it ... (to Gleichenhaus) Great! Yes, right. Yes, yes, so that it was closed like in a box (before that, Daniil and Eteri exchanged some phrases that were not heard at all)
TAT: Amazing music! Congratulations. Amazing. I always listen to a lot of music. I don't understand why, but I listen. But I have never seen this music. And if I have not met, then others are completely far from it. Awesome! And the program will certainly be amazing. And when you did the production of the program, your insides were probably shaking
Daniil: Well, I say that these were the best moments of the summer for me.
TAT: Yes!
13:40
TAT: You know, as Tamara Nikolaevna used to say here, in our years, when we worked together, she said: “Bad advertising is also advertising.”
ET: I have more bad publicity than good publicity (laughs).
TAT: And you have good advertising all on a pedestal. You do not need to advertise, you advertise yourself. You all take first, second and third places in the world, I don’t know how at all ...
ET: And how to go out into the world if we are not allowed anywhere? Where to get out?
TAT: How to motivate them?
ET: I don't know...
TAT: How to tell them every day...
ET: Yes, yes...
TAT: How to drag them along, every day higher, higher, higher? Something new to learn - like when they know: “I will not compete” [in international tournaments]
ET: For example, Sonya Akatieva. She would probably be the junior world champion by now, well...
TAT: Who exactly?
ET: Well, Sonya Akatieva. In the last season. So what? And [now] she's nobody. No title, no nothing. But we are not promised "tomorrow". You see, athletes need it here and now. Tomorrow may not exist.
TAT: There may not be tomorrow. And what day it will be - is also unknown.
ET: Yes.
TAT: Well, anyway, I believe in our idiocy, when we go out and still tear everyone to pieces... That boy over there jumped so well, so well! You know, I'm watching him, but in general I'm watching three.
ET: Well, he's very nervous. In general, I try to pay as little attention to him as possible, because if he understands that attention is paid to him, then he is all ...
TAT: Is he nervous?
ET: Yeah, he's all tense up like that
TAT: Well, standing on her right leg...
ET: Adele, where the hell are you going? Well, where are you going? Why are you turning there? You have been told that you stood too long while performing the arc.
15:44
TAT: It's hard, of course, the first months of work. When you look at them, how much weight they have gained...
ET: Well, they also come in completely... I don't know... You know, I always say that one gram of fat is one gram of laziness. That's how much weight they put on...
TAT: Lazy, laziness, of course...
ET: Yes, how much weight they got - its how much laziness they have.
TAT: Weight is laziness. You have to force yourself to get up, go, run. Not that all this ... Here he jumped great! Well done!
16:21
TAT: Is your left [leg injured]?
Akatieva: Yes
ET: Why don't you practice the quad loop on the right?
Akatieva looks away in embarrassment.
TAT: What? By now, you would have learned another quad. While the body comes to its senses and gets used to skate. On the right leg, something [can be done] and 3 + 3 loop is also a nice thing. Do you make this element?
Akatieva: I'm training it.
ET: No, no, she doesn't like cascades with loops. It is necessary to directly [force] her
TAT: somehow today I didn't see a 3+3 combination with a loop.
Akatieva: I didn’t jump loop today, we didn’t have such a task. Just [inaudible] jumped and lyed on ice.
ET: Lyed on ice?
Akatieva: Yes, lyed around...
TAT: Why you lyed around?
Akatieva: By chance. Oh, they're filming me...
ET: Yes, everything is filmed!
Akat'yeva: I've been talking too much...
ET: Go!
TAT: Can I say something to that Georgian guy over there?
ET: Nika! Go here.
TAT: His name is Nika?
ET: Nika.
TAT: Nika, hello, I'm Tatyana Anatolyevna. And you are Nika. Very nice.
Nika: I am also very pleased.
TAT: You skate very nicely. So you jump [good], and everything else you do just like that [fine]. But... And your hands are very good. But your wrists and palms do not complete the movement. Any movement begins with the hands, and any movement ends with them. Even if you entered the top three - and again! And you know, you forget about the wrists and palms. You neglect them, but [if you use brists and palms], then the arms would become [visually] even longer. If you do it with this central finger... Well, you heard - go and take steps before of the loop.
18:36
TAT: Wrist and palm! Like this! That's better. Like this! He does it [correctly] once out of two possible. Good boy. Yes, you did, but you did it once out of two. You make one move and forget the other. You do one thing, you forget the other. Here, analyze this. I'll come back in two weeks, if Eteri Georgievna allows me...
ET: We'll be waiting!
TAT: I'm happy about the choreographic part... Yes, but you yourself feel that your hands are almost clenched into a fist.
Nika: (apparently says he will try to fix)
TAT: Because you skate very beautifully.
Nika: I'll try.
TAT: Try! And where do we go - we are all trying. Each in their own way. Here, try. Good luck to you.
Nika: All the best! Stay healthy!
TAT: Thank you! We are also trying, so we will have health anyway.
ET: Come on, come on, turn around, skate! Well, in the end you do not turn around! Well, you need the rear arch to turn around here! And you just fly...
ET (turns to TAT): She is mood addicted girl. Today I can jump, but tomorrow I don’t want to skate at all. Never!
TAT: What do you need to do? Is that what [coach] shows you?
Adelia: [I must] to turn around...
TAT: Go and do it. Go and do what you've been shown.
ET: She told me today, “I can't do it today. I can not today!"
Adelia: Just imagine...
ET: I can't!
TAT: Come on, go and do what the coach tells you to do. Don't start again at random - come on.
TAT: I want to get up. Yes thanks a lot.
(skaters gather near the edge)
TAT: Thank you all for the training, first of all thanks to the coaches, and then to you all. You all don't show [your capabilities] at all. If you even make a jump, you don't show exit at all. I thought so. You jumped and that's it. But the exit begins even when you are in the air. Here, but you all don't do it, you all seem to be in a madhouse for a bit. Everyone has good jumps, everyone jumps, everyone makes lutz...
(says to Adele) You dont must to cry, you must to do it.
Its all, good luck to you. Listen to the coaches. Listen and do what they see in you and what they ask of you. And you must to do it. Good luck, I'll be back in two weeks.
ET: Thank you very much.
TAT: Nothing. My dears, run!
(children leave, Eteri, Daniil and Dudakov thank Tarasova)
ET: See you in two weeks. We'll probably show you... Well, we'll probably be able show Sasha to you
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Thanks so much for the translation! It's intriguing to learn more about Eteri's process. So often only snippets are reported that alter the interpretation.
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Just a reminder this is not the "coaching" thread. Coaching-related posts will be removed without notice and may result in a warning.
This thread should run parallel in the spirit with all the other "state of the nation" threads - sharing news and tidbits of Russian women. Coaches should only be mentioned if there is a coaching change.
This thread should run parallel in the spirit with all the other "state of the nation" threads - sharing news and tidbits of Russian women. Coaches should only be mentioned if there is a coaching change.
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By the way, on Trusova's fan thread, the number of views of the Olympic performances of various figure skaters on YouTube was discussed. I think this statistic is more appropriate here.
Anna Shcherbakova, short program, version 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-aSBztW0JE&ab_channel=Olympics
1 434 952
Anna Shcherbakova, short program, version 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG02kYhYgtQ&ab_channel=Olympics
616 454
Anna Shcherbakova, free skate, version 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUkLekSdVcI&ab_channel=Olympics
2 354 760
Anna Shcherbakova, free skate, version 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHQvibLdY8Q
954 568
Alexandra Trusova, short program, version 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RCoEg2_Uc4&t=2s&ab_channel=Olympics
1 051 203
Alexandra Trusova, short program, version 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH67_XoDy3k&ab_channel=Olympics
495 965
Alexandra Trusova, free skate, version 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg4HKwY9V0E&t=6s&ab_channel=Olympics
3 167 194
Alexandra Trusova, free skate, version 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wthEgbXlaMM&ab_channel=Olympics
1 023 565
Kamila Valieva, short program, individual tournament:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y06J5O9t_Lg&t=5s&ab_channel=Olympics
2 319 367
Kamila Valieva, short program, command tournament:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtQuh--tqXI&ab_channel=Olympics
3 329 214
Kamila Valieva, free skate, individual tournament:
2 157 806
Kamila Valieva, free skate, command tournament:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryWcdy_Fva8&ab_channel=Olympics
3 119 174
If we compare only Trusova and Shcherbakova here, it is more or less clear that the audience is attracted primarily by something unusual. That is why Anna's short program is more popular than Sasha's short program. And for the same reason, Sasha's record program with five quads collected such a large number of views, significantly ahead of Anna's free skate.
But the statistics on Kamila Valieva complicate things. In terms of the number of views, her short program in the team tournament is ahead of all other videos.
Well, just for comparison, it is worth mentioning that the number of views of Sakamoto's free skate is 262,089.
What looks unfair is the relatively low popularity of the video of Trusova's initial performance of free skate with five quad last fall. Meanwhile, it was, it seems to me, the best performance of Sasha in her entire career - and it doesn’t matter at all that this is not the Olympics and not a competition at all.
Anna Shcherbakova, short program, version 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-aSBztW0JE&ab_channel=Olympics
1 434 952
Anna Shcherbakova, short program, version 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IG02kYhYgtQ&ab_channel=Olympics
616 454
Anna Shcherbakova, free skate, version 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUkLekSdVcI&ab_channel=Olympics
2 354 760
Anna Shcherbakova, free skate, version 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHQvibLdY8Q
954 568
Alexandra Trusova, short program, version 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5RCoEg2_Uc4&t=2s&ab_channel=Olympics
1 051 203
Alexandra Trusova, short program, version 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH67_XoDy3k&ab_channel=Olympics
495 965
Alexandra Trusova, free skate, version 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xg4HKwY9V0E&t=6s&ab_channel=Olympics
3 167 194
Alexandra Trusova, free skate, version 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wthEgbXlaMM&ab_channel=Olympics
1 023 565
Kamila Valieva, short program, individual tournament:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y06J5O9t_Lg&t=5s&ab_channel=Olympics
2 319 367
Kamila Valieva, short program, command tournament:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtQuh--tqXI&ab_channel=Olympics
3 329 214
Kamila Valieva, free skate, individual tournament:
2 157 806
Kamila Valieva, free skate, command tournament:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryWcdy_Fva8&ab_channel=Olympics
3 119 174
If we compare only Trusova and Shcherbakova here, it is more or less clear that the audience is attracted primarily by something unusual. That is why Anna's short program is more popular than Sasha's short program. And for the same reason, Sasha's record program with five quads collected such a large number of views, significantly ahead of Anna's free skate.
But the statistics on Kamila Valieva complicate things. In terms of the number of views, her short program in the team tournament is ahead of all other videos.
Well, just for comparison, it is worth mentioning that the number of views of Sakamoto's free skate is 262,089.
What looks unfair is the relatively low popularity of the video of Trusova's initial performance of free skate with five quad last fall. Meanwhile, it was, it seems to me, the best performance of Sasha in her entire career - and it doesn’t matter at all that this is not the Olympics and not a competition at all.
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Although it still needs to be clarified what exactly was unusual about Anna's short program.
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That says a lot about how exciting the next international season is going to be...
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Kamila’s SP in the team tournament where she didn’t have that distraction is almost perfection. There will never be a better SP performance from a woman at the Olympics again.
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Speed. Temp. Non-stop and energy. Everything is held on by a thin thread. I don’t remember such performances in figure skating. To decide on the execution of such a short program, you need to have outstanding courage. To do the same in the Olympic season - even more so. And in order to do this, already during the season, replacing another, calmer and already worked out program - well, it's almost impossible.
You see, if a year ago they let me listen to this music and asked: "What do you think, which of our skaters will take this for the short program?" - I would say with confidence that it will be Sasha. Because it's very much in her style to take on such really "dangerous affairs". But in reality, Anna took this music for herself - this is already unusual.
But, by the way, the short program "Frida" could also become a masterpiece if it weren't for that damned 3A. Almost for the first time in Trusova's entire career, she was given a program that perfectly matched her temperament. For example, Plushenko tried to make Sasha more lyrical and gentle - and it cannot be said that this did not work out at all, but still she had to somehow pacify herself. Trusova is often reproached for the fact that her programs "do not tell a story." "Frida" tells such a story.
It was probably possible to replace 3A with 2A, but in fact, the double axel of Trusova and Shcherbakova literally "do not notice", they jump in one movement, automatically, like an ordinary person brushes a fly from his forehead. It would be too easy for Sasha.
+1 ... even more amazing if you take into account her age, I truly enjoy her feat of remaining competitive after all this time.
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She's a great athlete the men manage their bodies into their mid to late 20's I don't see any reason why the ladies can't as well.+1 ... even more amazing if you take into account her age, I truly enjoy her feat of remaining competitive after all this time.
If Stockholm had processed Kamila's test in the time they were supposed to, Liza would have been on the Olympic team, and God knows Liza never seems to catch a break. I hope this year she knocks it out of the park.+1 ... even more amazing if you take into account her age, I truly enjoy her feat of remaining competitive after all this time.
As far as "abuse"-for those funded by the Russian Government, this is their JOB, not a hobby, and even at the lower levels it is a job that brings them acclaim, money and status. With that funding comes expectations and pressure.
I don't think we will see Kamila again in international competition, but she seems to be a very happy young lady, very appealing personality who will always be in high demand for shows etc. Sasha has always been tightly wound, but I think it has very little to do with her training situation, it is just her nature. (Perhaps her association with Mark will blunt the rough edges a bit). Aliona-somewhere along the way-just burned out on the constant training, jumping etc. Even so, she has a fan base, and opportunities thanks to her fan base. I don't think any of these skaters would say they wished they had not trained where they trained. (Avoiding mention of a specific coach's name. lol)
Tuktamysheva's career is pretty much going to be defined as peaking at the wrong time. But she's said before that had she gone to the Olympics previously at Sochi she probably wouldn't still be skating...so maybe its better for her that she didn't? Its pretty much the Michelle vs. Tara argument - better to have some lengthy career or a shorter career and win "the big one" (Olympics)
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I absolutely agree with you
Except for Liza's lack of being on the main olympic team and not catching a break...there is a pattern of her bombing at Nationals which keeps her there.
It's not someone else keeping her down or that she can't truly catch a break. It is literally herself who is bombing for some type of reason SPECIFICALLY when it counts at RusNationals.
I used to feel very sad that she never got a chance UNTIL I reviewed ALL of her RUSnats programs and realized this was not the case.
Here is a breakdown of her own self sabotage at RusNats below (even if she was doing great in GPs, and worlds for some reason she always breaks down at Russian Nationals. It is a pattern over and over and over):
In 2011 - 2012 Season at Rusnats she was 6th place (bombed the short with 3Lz fall with a low level 2 spin and then bombs the free with a 3F and 3S fall)
In 2013 - 2014 Olympic Season Rusnats she was 10th place (She bombed the short. Fell on the 3Lz + 3T jump combo with under rotations. Then in the free bombed again with a 3F fall and messed up her combo with a very low level 2S +2T + 1Lo combo jump for 3 points then she messed up her spin)
In 2015-2016 Season at Rusnats she was 8th place (Attempted her 3A Yes! But severely bombed with a 3A fall in the short and a very bad combo. It was a popped 2T going into an under rotated struggled 3T for a 2T+3T<< combo which was bad to see her struggle here, and then she severely bombed the free with a poor 3A landing, a popped 3F turning to 1F, under rotations on her 3T + 3T, messed up her 3S +2A SEQ jump with a step out on her 3S).
In 2016 - 2017 Season at Rusnats she was 8th place (Kept the 3T+3T placing her lower than girls doing 3F, 3Lz, and 3Lo (Alina) as their second combo in their 3-3s at the time and had rough landings on her 3Lz and 2A. Bombed the free when she fell on 3F<, and 3Lz<<. She did do a 3T+3T but again it is a lower level 3-3 combo compared to those who outscored her)
In 2017 - 2018 Olympic Season at Rusnats she was 7th place (her combo was still a low level 3T+3T in her short with level 3 spins but it was a clean short. Her free was unfortunately weak as her best jumps were a series of only 3-2-2 (which had errors) and 3-2 combos and absolutely no 3-3s at all which was/is on current American Mariah Bell level with the +SEQ 2A for reduced based value and the top three Russian ladies of that event were not doing this).
In 2019 - 2020 Season at Rusnats she was 4th place (She finally leveled up---I was so proud---and ditched the 3T+3T for a 3F+3T and restored her 3A finally!!!! But it was too late
Anna, Aliona, and Sasha already arrived with triple axels and quads. Worse! Liza severely bombed the free after a pretty good short and STILL did not have the staple two 3-3 combos that Anna, Aliona, Sasha and most of the top Russian ladies have. Fell on 4T<, stepped out on 3A<, touched the ice to keep from falling on 3F<, and the final nail in the coffin was the two footed landing on 3lo. I think she has an issue with 3-3 combos generally as it is not consistent with her, but she never truly rectified it maybe due to her past ankle injury. So it forever remains her weakness if she gets a quad she may jump a 4T+2T but not 4T + 3T or +eu 3S or +eu 3F as a second combo which sadly will always place someone with a 4-3 or 3-3 combo above her even with a huge PCS boost---like at this years Nationals against juniors).In 2020 - 2021 Season at Rusnats she was 7th place ( she bombed the free with a +Rep on her 3Aq fall which was meant to be a 3A+2T combo. Kept doing the +SEQ 2A jump which again was not good at the time since it reduced the base value up until now where the ISU will now give full points this season in 2022/20223 I believe, and her best high value combo was only 2-3-2 at 9 points with the bonus so the improvement was minuscule in terms of gaining clean 3-3 combos to secure any podium at Nationals even if clean. So she bombed the free skate
again...and jumped a solo 2Lo instead of 3Lo)Finally In 2021 - 2022 Olympic Season at Rusnats she was 7th place (she bombed the short with a fall on her 3A and did a 3-2 combo instead of 3-3 like everyone else which was 100% crucial for this crop of top skaters. That secured her 7th place position because every single girl above her executed their 3-3 combos in the short. Then in her FS she messed up with a 3A < resulting in lost points and she did not do a single 3-3 combo at all which is crucial for the olympics as most of the Korean/Japanese non-Russian podium ladies have at least/most one 3-3 and Wakaba + Young You had 3A as well so it was risky for Liza to mess up and not even have a single 3-3 to go to the Olys. while everyone else even the juniors had 3-3 combos. It still remains a big weakness and can push most elite Russian skaters with ultra-c above her. International skaters still do many 3-2s so Liza never had to really worry THAT much internationally as long as she landed a clean 3A (also Daria and Aliona easily won internationally without utlra-c due to this international weakness among female skaters...this is the lack of two good 3-3 combos to maximize points when no ultra-c is present) but in terms of Russian skaters it is an ignored issue Liza must overcome this season if she wants to win a higher placement in RusNats and stop this yearly bombing at RusNats and I hope she does). Also the fact that she was the only senior without a quad may have hurt her, but Anna fell on her one and only quad that day and that was Liza's only opportunity that season. With Anna's fall if Liza had the ability to pull three triple-triple combos like Anna she could have potentially secured a spot. She had a massive 14 point GOE lead compared to Anna even with the lower tech program, but it could not save Liza as 3-3 combos were/still is her ultimate weakness while 3-3 combos are Anna's (and all the Eteri skaters really) ultimate true advantage whether or not Anna falls on a single quad which is how she successfully secured her 3rd spot for the Olys over Liza despite a quad fall to give her an edge over Liza's RusNats program this olympic season.
That being said, Liza unfortunately has this pattern of bombing specifically at Russian nationals even if she was doing well in events prior (In the GP she was on fire). This season she did well, but still ended up bombing the short at Nationals while most above her secured a leading position with a short program advantage over Liza.
The only times she performed somewhat well at Russian Nationals was in 2012 - 2013 season where she placed 1st against weaker skaters who messed up just as badly despite messing up herself in the free with a popped 1F jump and step-out on the 3S. She still won. She also had a 3Lz +3T combo there and her free program was not clean but she won against a cleaner Elena Radionova through PCS. Also in the 2014 - 2015 season of Rusnats she won 2nd beating junior Evgenia M from Eteri's camp in PCS but her programs there were cleaner than in 2012-2013 and she was on absolute fire that year winning 1st in almost all her competitions. Her PCS ever since then could not mask the real issue when she had errors as the gap in tech between her and the other quadsters were more than 7 points. Out of 10 RusNats she only succeeded in 2 which was ultimately her own doing in terms of inconsistency, and lower level jumps that resembles the current elite American female skater state of 3-2 combos and +SEQ at the 2022 Olys and 2022 worlds.
Hopefully this season she will crush it at Nationals or power through it like Trusova did in the free at the Olys with not a single fall, but looking at her patterns of bombing at Nationals I will keep my personal expectations realistic. I don't know if its nerves...I am not sure, but she has a bad yearly track records at RusNats. At least this year that +SEQ won't hurt her total base value.
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She had covid right before that Nats, she was back to the ice the week before the competition.In 2020 - 2021 Season at Rusnats she was 7th place ( she bombed the free with a +Rep on her 3Aq fall which was meant to be a 3A+2T combo. Kept doing the +SEQ 2A jump which again was not good at the time since it reduced the base value up until now where the ISU will now give full points this season in 2022/20223 I believe, and her best high value combo was only 2-3-2 at 9 points with the bonus so the improvement was minuscule in terms of gaining clean 3-3 combos to secure any podium at Nationals even if clean. So she bombed the free skate
She could have beaten Anna without a 3-3 in a free, she just needed to skate clean. And she had one +3 combo (2A-Eu-3S). I also think that she didn't risk doing 3Lz-3T because of mistakes in the short program, she didn't have a chance anymore.
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Should I make a snide remark about Nastya Gubanova looking forward to a successful international season? Maybe not...
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Being sick once at that comp does not explain the entire prior history of sabotaging herself at Nats. Also many other Elite level female skaters (including Liza) have skated sick before and won. It is a factor but not 100% the cause of the constant meltdowns.
The numbers would not add up to support that theory you have.
She could not beat Anna without a 3-3 ever in the free as Anna’s free is a stronger program even if Ultra-c is removed while Liza’s is not. Anna’s varied 3-3 jump combos are 9-11 points each (including with bonus) and she throws down 3 of them which most female skaters cannot do (I suspect Trusova can as well as she has also pretty much mastered all the 3-3 combo jump variations to maximize points and avoid Zayak when/if errors are made on quads. Maybe Kami and Sofia as well who is quick to swap a 4T + 3T to a 4T eu 3S if she misses a pass)
Anna is consistent and Liza has never beaten Anna in her career due to that consistency. But Liza beat Trusova only due to inconsistency. If Trusova was as consistent as Anna then Liza would never had beaten her at worlds. Her only shot would be if Trusova bombed either the short or free which in the short Trusova did bomb and that gave Liza opportunity. Not the same case with Anna who had short program advantage by 10 points. Liza had her opportunity to overtake Anna in the free but gave it away with a lower program. Anna completed harder 3-3 jump passes in the free after the failed 4F.
A “2A+3S” is not a 3-3 combo and is actually a very low base value combo in comparison to most high level 3-3 jumps. I am talking about 3-3 combos advantage not 2-3 combos or 3-2 combos which have the same low points result and is a great issue with international female skaters. At worlds this year without Russians not a single international skater (other than a Russian lady Gubanova) had a clean 3-3 which was a shame and shows you the clear advantage Liza had internationally. Domestically in Russia 3-2 is not enough anymore.
Example of how 3-2s are sabotage:
Liza’s combo of 2A+3S is valued at 8 points max with bonus while Anna’s 3Lz + 3Lo and 3F eu 3S is valued at 11 points each with bonus. This is a 3 point bonus per combo in the second half for Anna.
Liza’s best combo was her 3A+2T for a max of 9.30 pts which Anna not only matched but beat with her 3F +3T giving her 9.50 pts a 0.20 advantage without even doing a 3A. Liza lost this herself due to her lack of 3-3s.
A 3A + 3T is worth 12 points which would have given her advantage in the first jump pass over Anna but most 3-3 combos were too hard to do for Liza throughout her career.
Even with the extra 7 points of GOE she got to be ahead of Anna it still was not enough whereas this would have been enough for any other Russian Lady with a 3A and at least two 3-3 combos to make a comeback. If you look at Kami and Sofia A’s programs there is not a single double jump. That is where these ladies are heading. Any double jump solo or double jump combo will not be enough soon.
She must fix the 3-3 combo weakness and cannot use 3A as a crutch. When Aliona had her 3A she STILL did 3-3 combos along with it and she did not hide behind it. None of the top Russian skaters with ultra-c in these events hide behind ultra-c. They use it as an advantage on top of having 3-3 combos. That is the issue with Liza other than her inconsistency at RusNats year after year.
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I like Anastasia she is a beautiful skater and after being looked over so many time by Russian Fed I am only too pleased she gets to compete. Hope she starts getting the pcs scores she deserves.
Classic Rodnina!Rodina on Konstantinova's retirement/pause....
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Worlds 2022, Women's Short Program:
1. Kaori Sakamoto: 3F+3T, GOE: 2.12
2. Loena Hendrickx: 3Lz+3T, GOE: 0.76
5. Alysa Liu: 3Lz+3T, GOE: 1.18
6. Nicole Schott: 3F+3T, GOE: 0.98
7. Wakaba Higuchi: 3Lz+3T, GOE: 1.35
9. Ekaterina Ryabova: 3Lz+3T, GOE: 0.51
14. Anastasiia Gubanova: 3Lz+3T, GOE: 0.17
15. Olga Mikutina: 3F+3T, GOE: 1.21
19. Julia Sauter: 3T+3T, GOE: 0.72
23. Dasa Grm: 3T+3T, GOE: 0.96
30. Marilena Kitromilis: 3Lz+3T, GOE: 0.75
Note that I only counted those jumps without !, q or UR signs and with positive GOE. Even 30th place had a clean 3-3 in the Short, and a 3Lz+3T no less. Maybe check if the claims you make are actually true before you make them?
I guess, if we want to be stingy, we could be taking the FS as an example, where there where indeed less 3-3 attempted and cleanly landed. But even then you have Sakamoto (3F+3T), Liu (3Lz+Eu+3S), Gubanova (3F+3T, 3Lz+3T), You (3Lz+Eu+3S), Kurakova (3Lz+Eu+3F), Ryabova (3Lz+3T), Mikutina (3Lz+3T) and Petrokiina (3Lz+Eu+3S), who all did triple triples with positive GOE.
So, really, I know y'all want to argue how terribly weak the field is without Russia but at least present the facts. Thanks.
As for the other arguments you're making - it makes no difference if you jump 2A+3T or 2A+Eu+3S vs. 3Lz+3T and 3Lz+Eu+3S because the GOE factors differently. For example, a layout of 3Lz+2T, 3F, 3Lo, 3F+3T, 3Lz+Eu+3S, 2A, 2A (bonus not included) has the same BV of 43.70 as 3Lz+2T, 3F, 3Lo, 2A+3T, 2A+Eu+3S, 3F, 3Lz.
That's how Miyahara used to be able to keep up in BV a few years ago, despite not doing a single 3-3. That's also why many skaters attempt a 3-3 in the short but don't do it in the free - they don't have to because they're not punished score wise if they don't. What matters is more which jumps you repeat outside of the combinations, when you do the combinations (for example, all at the beginning or in the second half) and whether you gain all the levels on spins/steps.
I agree that layout strategy used to be a problem of Tuktamysheva‘s in the past but the ISU changed the rules for the coming season so her 3Lz+2A+SEQ combination won't even be a disadvantage anymore. It will now get full BV.
The main reason Shcherbakova's BV is so well constructed is that she can do a +3Lo combo and thus include three 3-3 in the first place. It's the optimal layout really. Tuktamysheva doesn't have that.
In conclusion, the only place where Tuktamysheva's lack of a consistent 3-3 will really hurt her, is the SP. In the FS, she can build her layout around it, especially with the new rules. What she can't build around is her lack of speed/skating skills and being 10 years the senior of the kids jumping multiple quads and 3A.
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