2022-23 Russian Women's Figure Skating

[Trusova4Ever]

Sorry me again

Updated restored (as seen on video or from news) jumps 8/3/22:

Alina Zagitova: 3F, 3Lz, 3S
Alexandra Trusova: 4Lz, 3Lz+3Lo, 3Lz+3T, 3F, 3S, 2A, 3A<< rippon off ice, 2LoTh
Alena Kostornaia: 3F+1Eu+2S ?, 3S, 2A, 3Lz+2T, 3T, 1Eu+3S
Anna Shcherbakova: 3Lz+3T, 3S, 3F
Daniil Samsonov: Back in training, jumps ?
Daria Usacheva: 3Lz, 2A, 3S
Maya Khromyhk: 3T, 2Lz
Kamila Valieva: 3Lz+3T, 3S+3T, 2A+3T, 3Lo
Sofia Akatieva: 3Lz+3T, 3Lo, 3T+1Eu+3S
Adelia Petrosian: 3Lz+3Lo, 3F+3T, 3S, 2A
Elizaveta Tuktamysheva: 4T, 3A, 3Lz, (4Lz), (4T), (4S), (4A off ice)
Alisa Dvoeglazova: 3F+3T, 3S+3T
Sofia Muravieva: 3S, 2A
Sofia Samodelkina*: Leg Injury, jumps ?
Anastasia Zininia*: Injured in undisclosed location, 3T
Sofia Titova: 3Lz+1Eu+3S, 3F+3T, 3S+1Eu+3S, 2A, 3A+3A+3A+3A off ice
Veronika Zhilina: 3Lz, 2A
Evgenia Medvedeva: 3S

* = injured
( ) = in harness
? = questionable

Alexandra landed in 3Lz+3T, along with other jumps, in a training session at the Khrustalny recently; adding it to her list.



Unfortunately that flip edge is getting away from her in this vid, I hope they work on that. It looks more like a full lip now, like it was at Plushenko's. Probably from drilling lutz all the time (?)

 

[Jontor]

About the GOAT discussion. There is a lot of ways to go about this. When it comes to medals, here is the list:

Medals earned at JW, EC, WC, OG, GPs, JGPs and senior RusNats

1. Irina Slutskaya 59
2. Maria Butyrskaya 39
3. Elizaveta Tuktamysheva 28
3. Evgenia Medvedeva 28
5. Viktoria Volchkova 25
6. Elena Radionova 23
7. Elena Sokolova 22
8. Alexandra Trusova 20
9. Adelina Sotnikova 19
10. Alina Zagitova 18

However, as we know, a lot of the women competing now has missed a lot of opportunities to win medals because of the pandemic and the war. So, it might have looked something like this if that was not the case. So this alternative list is pure fictional.

1. Irina Slutskaya 59
2. Maria Butyrskaya 39
3. Elizaveta Tuktamysheva 33 (missed 2 GPs, 2 GPF, 1 EC)
4. Evgenia Medvedeva 28
5. Alexandra Trusova 26 (missed 2 GPs, 1 GPF, 1 EC, 2 WC)
6. Viktoria Volchkova 25
7. Anna Shcherbakova 23 (missed 2 GPs, 2 GPFs, 1 EC, 2 WC)
7. Elena Radionova 23
9. Elena Sokolova 22
10. Alena Kostornaia 20 (missed 2 GPs, 1 GPF, 1 WC)

So, when it comes to medal count - Slutskaya is the clear winner, with Butyrskaya a clear second.

But what about Nationals? We all know that it is the most difficult competition. Here Butyrskaya rules with 11 (eleven!!!) consecutive medals between 1992-2002. And yes, the competition was fierce even back then. Her main rival Slutskaya didn't manage that, finishing 4th twice.

Winning all the titles? Here Zagitova is the only one who has managed that.

I have to say though, that in this era of brutal competition, Shcherbakova comes up on top imo. The way she has always fought against "better" skaters is mind blowing. The Olympic Gold and the World title shows that. And I am pretty sure she might have won the World title in 2020 and 2022 as well, if only she had the opportunity.

 

[Alex Fedorov]

Is there a chance to see the whole list and how the voting went? I'm a list nerd and I would love to see it.

Yay! Anna won!

I have already listed all the contenders. The finalists were Shcherbakova, Trusova, Zagitova and Medvedeva. How exactly the voting went on at each of the stages, I did not trace. I only saw that Anna won, and Sasha was in second place, like at the Olympics. The same situation with Alina and Zhenya, but they became the third and fourth.

This was Kamila's first adult season, many people only saw her this year, so it was difficult for her to immediately become the most beloved skater.

 

[brakes]

 

[Trusova4Ever]

The full TAT visit vid and convo:

 

[Trusova4Ever]

The full TAT visit vid and convo:

In this video Alisa D also jumped 3Lz+3T in addition to 3S+1Eu+3S+1Eu+3S, and Sofia A lands 2A.

Updated restored (as seen on video or from news) jumps 8/5/22:

Alina Zagitova: 3F, 3Lz, 3S
Alexandra Trusova: 4Lz, 3Lz+3Lo, 3Lz+3T, 3F, 3S, 2A, 3A<< rippon off ice, 2LoTh
Alena Kostornaia: 3F+1Eu+2S ?, 3S, 2A, 3Lz+2T, 3T, 1Eu+3S
Anna Shcherbakova: 3Lz+3T, 3S, 3F
Daniil Samsonov: Back in training, jumps ?
Daria Usacheva: 3Lz, 2A, 3S
Maya Khromyhk: 3T, 2Lz
Kamila Valieva: 3Lz+3T, 3S+3T, 2A+3T, 3Lo
Sofia Akatieva: 3Lz+3T, 3Lo, 3T+1Eu+3S, 2A
Adelia Petrosian: 3Lz+3Lo, 3F+3T, 3S, 2A
Elizaveta Tuktamysheva: 4T, 3A, 3Lz, (4Lz), (4T), (4S), (4A off ice)
Alisa Dvoeglazova: 3F+3T, 3S+3T, 3Lz+3T, 3S+1Eu+3S+1Eu+3S
Sofia Muravieva: 3S, 2A
Sofia Samodelkina*: Leg Injury, jumps ?
Anastasia Zininia*: Injured in undisclosed location, 3T
Sofia Titova: 3Lz+1Eu+3S, 3F+3T, 3S+1Eu+3S, 2A, 3A+3A+3A+3A off ice
Veronika Zhilina: 3Lz, 2A
Evgenia Medvedeva: 3S

* = injured
( ) = in harness
? = questionable

 

[Amei]

Kostornaia having hip surgery

 

[Arbitrary]

Kostornaia having hip surgery

"... we were to do the surgery much earlier, but had to wait a lot of time due to required materials unavailable."

Sanctions as you like it.

 

[uwoawuwoa]

Kostornaia having hip surgery

Hoping she gets a speedy recovery

 

[Lurker11]

I can't see her getting back to test skates after hip surgery. In fact, I hope she doesn't come back for at least 3 months if she's having hip surgery. It could put her out for the entire season. That's quite serious. I think her competitive career is all but done now.

 

[Amei]

I can't see her getting back to test skates after hip surgery. In fact, I hope she doesn't come back for at least 3 months if she's having hip surgery. It could put her out for the entire season. That's quite serious. I think her competitive career is all but done now.

Based on automated translation (disclaimer) she expects to be out on the ice no later than the second half of September, which doesn't seem very long for surgery, granted we don't know what the actual injury is, and that could just be simple gliding. But there won't be any test skates.

This is certainly a setback for her especially when she was probably already the weakest skater on the national team, but if she can healthily get back on the ice in late September then by the time Nationals rolls around she should be capable of delivering a good performance. But weak showings and/or no triple axel or quad will likely mean a low finish at Nationals and no national team next year without some other skaters retiring. But I think declaring her career over at this point is a little premature.

 

[Lurker11]

Based on automated translation (disclaimer) she expects to be out on the ice no later than the second half of September, which doesn't seem very long for surgery, granted we don't know what the actual injury is, and that could just be simple gliding. But there won't be any test skates.

This is certainly a setback for her especially when she was probably already the weakest skater on the national team, but if she can healthily get back on the ice in late September then by the time Nationals rolls around she should be capable of delivering a good performance. But weak showings and/or no triple axel or quad will likely mean a low finish at Nationals and no national team next year without some other skaters retiring. But I think declaring her career over at this point is a little premature.

I hope she comes back she would be my second favourite skater to watch after Valieva, but it's bad news when an 18/19 is going in for hip surgery it's a bad sign and could explain some of her struggles over the past year.

Daria had a hip fracture, but a fracture at least heals with time. That this is hip surgery for an old injury suggests something like a chronic joint injury which is bad news.

If in her recent shows she showed glimpses of recapturing her early 2020 form I would think this is something that could be overcome with time, but it's going to be nearly 2.5 years since she had great form by the time she returns and successive injuries.

 

[Jontor]

Based on automated translation (disclaimer) she expects to be out on the ice no later than the second half of September, which doesn't seem very long for surgery, granted we don't know what the actual injury is, and that could just be simple gliding. But there won't be any test skates.

This is certainly a setback for her especially when she was probably already the weakest skater on the national team, but if she can healthily get back on the ice in late September then by the time Nationals rolls around she should be capable of delivering a good performance. But weak showings and/or no triple axel or quad will likely mean a low finish at Nationals and no national team next year without some other skaters retiring. But I think declaring her career over at this point is a little premature.

When she missed nationals last season, I didn't expect to see her as a competitive skater ever again. It kind of have been foreshadowed for a long time.

 

[surimi]

That's too bad, wishing Kostornaya a speedy recovery. In any other country (except maybe the US right now), she'd be a huge star, and on the national team for sure. I wonder if she could change countries while in convalescence, but I suspect she wouldn't want to, nor would her federation.

 

[Arbitrary]

It depends on shat is the hip surgery means here.
An artificial joint implant? This is the dead-skater warrant. Fracture? Virtually the same.

 

[Jumping_Bean]

That's too bad, wishing Kostornaya a speedy recovery. In any other country (except maybe the US right now), she'd be a huge star, and on the national team for sure. I wonder if she could change countries while in convalescence, but I suspect she wouldn't want to, nor would her federation.

I think you're overestimating the level of competition among the Senior US women, she'd have no trouble making the national team. A lot of the top US women have (unofficially or officially) retired, and apart from a few younger seniors (like Lindsay and Isabeau) most US women struggle with either inconsistency (Amber, Gracie) or lack competitive tech (I'm not even talking about a lack of Ultra-Cs, but of a lack of 3-3s). The fields in Japan or Korea are much more competitive and deep, with the occasional Ultra-C-element (mainly 3As), a lot of consistent 3-3s, and a good overall level of skating skills.

Even if Aliona wanted to change federations and RusFed would let her go (which I don't see happening), finding a new federation might be difficult in the current climate, especially when it comes to funding - Skating is expensive and countries have more important things to spend money on right now.

 

[surimi]

I think you're overestimating the level of competition among the Senior US women, she'd have no trouble making the national team. A lot of the top US women have (unofficially or officially) retired, and apart from a few younger seniors (like Lindsay and Isabeau) most US women struggle with either inconsistency (Amber, Gracie) or lack competitive tech (I'm not even talking about a lack of Ultra-Cs, but of lack of 3-3s). The fields in Japan or Korea are much more competitive and deep, with the occasional Ultra-C-element (mainly 3As), a lot of consistent 3-3s, and a good overall level of skating skills.

You're right, I had a total blackout and forgot about Korea and Japan About the US, the trio of Bradie, Lindsay and Isabeau were why I said 'maybe' the US, because if consistent and healthy, they could challenge Aliona if she doesn't have the 3A back. But it's just a 'what if' anyway.
I hope Aliona heals well, I was looking forward to her programs.

 

[Amei]

Today they are reporting Kostornaia's surgery is postponed till end of August


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[AlexBreeze]

Nugumanova's new coach is ID coach Elena Sokolova (but she isn't switching categories).

Фигуристка Нугуманова, обвинившая тренера в угрозах, ушла к специалисту по танцам, но из школы не уволилась

Петербургская фигуристка Елизавета Нугуманова, которая ранее обвинила своего тренера СПб ГБУ СШОР Евгения Рукавицына в угрозах, решила остаться в школе, но сменить тренера.

www.fontanka.ru

 

[Trusova4Ever]

Evgenia's beautiful performance on the Averbukh show: