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Ok I was just about to post that Sofia S video in addition to this Sofia M one too:
"I do not know about Samodelkina since she is injured. Has she recovered? Will she be at test skates in September?"

Never mind it seems that Sofia S is back on the ice and in training according to the video below with her new coach at CSKA. If she's more consistent with her ultra-c this season someone might be losing their spot on the Senior National team.


I was just about to post that video, so thanks! There is also this one too of Sofia M.:

 
They’re competitive people and want to be best. I think Anna if you look at her weight gain is retired or gave up on this season before it started, Sasha I don’t know but doesn’t seem serious.

All last season they were defeated by Kamila every time they went out there except once and we know the reason for that. It must hurt their motivation.

But Kamila and Liza seem fully committed and there’s a lot of younger skaters ready to make a name for themselves.

The standard needed to win the Russian Nationals for women will be much higher than for the world championships.

Yes, they are highly competitive though I don't think Anna is giving up however she does need to rest until fully healed. No need to rush this process.

We'll see what happens when it happens.

Liza does seem more committed based on the posted training videos, but Eteri skaters often surprise and surpass expectations (like Anna and Trusova did during the olympic season despite injury. It seemed like they would not make it at all or even persevere, but they did or Adelia being unofficially the first woman in the world to successfully land a quad loop jump).

Based on junior test skates most of the ladies crashed in the free with not a single one having a clean ultra-c skate. No one. Alissa D of teamtut was the only one to land the hardest element there (quad lutz), but she still crashed on the second solo 4lz and did not dare attempt her newly acquired trixel. The Juniors are still very inconsistent on ultra-c elements for now, and the seniors need not worry about them yet. Maybe later as the season progresses when they gain consistency with successful clean ultra-c programs the seniors will clutch their positions.

Senior Test skates is a good opportunity for the upcoming juniors who recently turned senior. The seasoned seniors have shown their top form. Trusova has displayed her prowess at the Olympics with 5 landed quads. Anna is the Olympic champion with the most consistency of the current seniors while performing quads. There should be no doubt concerning their positions on the national team so there is no need for Anna and Trusova to fear or prove themselves (unless they lost all their jumps). Let them relax for test skates. We all know what they are capable of. It is the new seniors who must prove and secure their position on the national team against the internationally undefeated past seniors and the seniors who were not chosen. We do not know what they are fully capable of whereas the same cannot be said for Anna and Trusova who seem to relax now compared to the rest of the field.

Maiia has been super unstable even on basic triple jumps her first senior season so she has something to prove to keep her spot in reserves or move to the main team. Has she become more consistent now? We'll see. Daria's first season was cut very short after her injury and she as of current still has no ultra-c elements that we know of so she has something to prove to keep her spot in reserves. Is she still reliable and consistent? Maybe at test skates we'll see a glimpse. Kami---well we all know what happened her first senior season so given those circumstances her commitment is most likely stronger than ever. However, I have mainly seen Kami in shows and dance classes as of late; much less in training so not as determine as Liza is this season I guess? Adelia, and Sofia M are the newcomers and so have more to prove or showcase that they are deserving of their spots on the main national team over not only the reserves but other overlooked seniors.

All these women have more to prove than Anna and Trusova so they cannot relax as much as them.

Alena should not relax at all as she is even more vulnerable and at risk in reserves than Liza, but given the old hip injury issue and the upcoming surgery for it there is no way to push herself to show her skills at test skates so it is better to focus on recovery and then after successfully healing focus on restoring jumps.

Liza was defeated by everyone at RusNats last season with the exception of Maia and Sofia M who imploded so of course she should be more determined to show what she'll bring to the table at test skates.
She is up against the quadsters yet again---2 of which (Kami and Sofia M) also can push a triple axel in the short as well as the free along with their quads. Adelia also has a triple axel yet to be seen in competition so she might debut it at test skates. These ladies (Adelia and Sofia M) are now senior with more difficult elements and better PCS in terms of speed and skating skills than Liza.
Liza must pull out all the stops this season with a successful clean quad and hope that Maiia does not gain any consistency or else her spot on the main national team might be up for grabs next season. She cannot relax if she wants to remain on top. I do not think she should worry about Daria in reserves yet until she gains a consistent ultra-c. If Anna or Trusova retired it would be a different case for Liza who even with less ultra-c out of the bunch is still a very strong competitor, but they have not retired so she must push harder to keep up with the younger generations---and that's what she's doing.

I do not know about Samodelkina since she is injured. Has she recovered? Will she be at test skates in September?

Yes I agree that the standard for Russian Nationals will be higher than that of Worlds which is why Liza is so determined with trying to land quads and does not want to have a repeat of last season's Russian Nationals (or in her case all the other seasons of RusNats really). May she surpass expectations this season and succeed with all the extra training and effort she's pushing.

Hopefully the women at Senior test skates fair better with their ultra-c elements than the juniors did.

I’m not sure she’s been at parties lately but I don’t follow it that closely.

I think she’s training often from what I’ve seen.

Yes Kamila is bigger since the Olympics but as a 15 year old she was bigger than 17 year old Anna and Sasha. Kamila is quite muscular especially her quad muscles. She’s a genuine athlete that could excel at any sport she commits to. She’s probably going to be one of the largest skaters going forward, but she’s such an explosive and powerful athlete I think she can overcome it all.

Sasha at the Olympics to do five quads was quite thin I don’t think she can recreate that very thin build and Anna is a completely different body shape since the Olympics. She struggled to do quads and couldn’t do a triple axel when she was thin she’s going to struggle unless she loses the weight she’s gained which I don’t think will happen. She’s achieved everything and couldn’t beat Kamila at all last season until the Olympics FS. She is smart and knows the same will happen this season against Kamila. Better to go out on top than suffer an inevitable defeat to Kamila who is her main rival (there’s clearly some kind of issue between the two as well they don’t get along so it is personal as well).

Just my opinion.

Ok if you have been keeping up with the channel one videos that I and others have been posting to GS, her fan fest, sports.ru, and the Plushenko shows, then you would know that Sasha has already confirmed she will be competing in the upcoming season, she is still competitive and in shape as she has already landed a 4Lz this season, and has been working out a new short that we already know the music of (Torn by Nathan Lanier). She also has a free too as she has stated in her VK fest interview but has not leaked the music yet.
Kamila has also been to the Khrustalny and has got some of her combos back as well, all the while trying to rework her combo technique to fix the edge shift problem, in between her ice shows.
Anna, as we all know, just got surgery and is probably out of shape because she hasn't been able to train at full strength yet because of that injury, as she has said and because of her commitment to the Averbukh performances. And Alena isn't training at full strength right now either because of her hip injury/waiting on surgery. So we shouldn't be gauging their future prospects in the sport until we can see them after a sustained period of being healthy and training at full strength.
 
Liza was defeated by everyone at RusNats last season with the exception of Maia and Sofia M who imploded so of course she should be more determined to show what she'll bring to the table at test skates.
I basically agree with everything else, but Sofia M actually placed above Liza at RusNats, Sofia M only had a step-out on her second 3A in the Free. Her "disaster skates" were at Junior RusNats (like basically everyone else, except for Alisa 😂😉). Liza did place higher in the Free than her though, due to receiving almost 7 points more in PCS than Sofia M.
 
I basically agree with everything else, but Sofia M actually placed above Liza at RusNats, Sofia M only had a step-out on her second 3A in the Free. Her "disaster skates" were at Junior RusNats (like basically everyone else, except for Alisa 😂😉). Liza did place higher in the Free than her though, due to receiving almost 7 points more in PCS than Sofia M.
Yes you’re correct Sofia was 6th overall while Tuk was 7th and did beat Sofia M only in PCS in the free (though I will say most of the juniors got lower PCS than the top seniors automatically. So none of them outscored the top Seniors in PCS).

Since they all are senior now though I wonder if Liza can still outscore her in PCS because Sofia M has very strong PCS (it keeps getting higher the more mistakes she makes. Such as Junior nationals where with all her mistakes and falls she beat a clean first place Sofia A in PCS and received the highest PCS in her skating career). So on the senior scale it should be even stronger now.
 
Yes you’re correct Sofia was 6th overall while Tuk was 7th and did beat Sofia M only in PCS in the free (though I will say most of the juniors got lower PCS than the top seniors automatically. So none of them outscored the top Seniors in PCS).

Since they all are senior now though I wonder if Liza can still outscore her in PCS because Sofia M has very strong PCS (it keeps getting higher the more mistakes she makes. Such as Junior nationals where with all her mistakes and falls she beat a clean first place Sofia A in PCS and received the highest PCS in her skating career). So on the senior scale it should be even stronger now.
Jr Russian Nationals was quite generous with PCS scores, both Sofia Akatieva and Sofia Samodelkina also received the highest PCS scores of their careers so far here - And it's not like they had the best skates of their careers either.

But yes, the PCS scores for all of the new Seniors will climb - How high, we will see. Especially with only 3 PCS categories left of the original 5 we still had last season.
 
Jr Russian Nationals was quite generous with PCS scores, both Sofia Akatieva and Sofia Samodelkina also received the highest PCS scores of their careers so far here - And it's not like they had the best skates of their careers either.

But yes, the PCS scores for all of the new Seniors will climb - How high, we will see. Especially with only 3 PCS categories left of the original 5 we still had last season.
I agree that most major events (Nationals, Worlds, Olympics, etc.) all give generous PCS---especially domestic Nationals events :)

Yes, they didn’t have the best skates of their lives but Sofia A has scored higher before at Russian cup final 2021 season with 70.24 and skated better than her past comps that 2021 season not worse in terms of errors (in her past comps that season she fell around twice I believe and had more errors while she performed better in Russian cup final 2021 overall gaining higher PCS there). Because of that her 2022 PCS at Junior RusNats was not the best of her career, but it was her season's best of 2022 in PCS. Moreover, she received those PCS in 2022 while skating clean when Sofia M did not at all in the same event messing up both the SP and FS. She did not make errors like Sofia M to achieve a higher 70 in PCS in FS vs previous skates (such as the "semi" step out, the fall, and losing levels).

What I interestingly noticed about Sofia M last season that didn't happen before (I highlighted/bold the main points):

Russian cup stage 3 at 64.48 PCS with 1 error.
Russian cup stage 5 with 4 errors 64.58 in PCS. Here she pretty much imploded and held back tears mid performance as she could not hold in the disappointment while missing some of the accents she usually always hits beautifully in that FS (it's one my ultimate faves from her but here it was not good). Only +0.10 difference so not a massive deal but still higher here when she performed a lot better in stage 3 than stage 5...
Russian Nationals with only 1 slight error on her 3A earning 67.03 in PCS but not outscoring the cleanest Junior there in PCS (which was Adelia, but she did not surpass Sofia S either who scored the highest of the Juniors in PCS in the FS).
Russian Junior nationals with 3 errors but received 70.41 in PCS as career best skate outscoring the cleanest Junior there with the highest PCS despite skating better at Senior Russian Nationals with less errors.

Usually PCS take a little hit from the best achieved PCS when one or more major errors are made but Sofia M's keeps going higher and higher the more mistakes she made in Russian comps last season...

This is my observation for her since I noticed she and Adelia last season scored similar in PCS in Russian competitions (not international. There Mura thrived more than anyone and beat them all in PCS internationally) however if Adelia makes mistakes (like in Junior RusNats) her PCS takes a dive by 2+ points than her usual even though scoring similar to Sofia M's PCS domestically prior to this event. On the other hand Sofia M's goes higher despite making more errors and skating somewhat worse at Russian Junior Nationals FS vs Senior Russian Nationals FS performance or even stage 3 cup FS. At Russian cup final 2022 when Sofia A made 1 error (the q) she received 67 in PCS not 70 that she received for going clean at Junior RusNats. Sofia S scored less than Senior RusNats by 1 point for her errors at Junior RusNats and Adelia by 2 points or more.

That being said....

If Sofia M can still achieve higher and higher PCS with more mistakes than when she skates very clean this may likely mean she is the new powerhouse of PCS amongst the new group of seniors (Adelina, Sofia S, etc) and could (maybe) most likely score higher than they when making more mistakes if this pattern continues again this season as seniors. I am not sure if it will continue, but it happened last season so it may happen this season.

However since there are now only 3 categories (composition, presentation, and skating skills) under the news rules I am also very intrigued to see what changes for these ladies and how high the PCS climb.
I think presentation seems to favor Mura more out of the 3 new seniors (Adelia, Sofia S, and Sofia M) since she has an edge at expression/projection as well as musical sensitivity and timing as she times more of her movements to the accents/lyrics of the music so her presentation is quite strong in my opinion (Liza Kulikova in Juniors as well). The only time I felt she did poorly in presentation and I disliked the performance was her meltdown in stage 5 where everything was going wrong (and it showed. It seemed like she was trying to process why/how while performing and holding back tears. It was very noticeable and bothered me as she is not usually like this) but usually she pulls through even with mistakes in this area (Junior Rusnats was still 10 times better than stage 5. Hopefully stage 5 meltdown never happens again). I am very excited to see Sofia M, Sofia S, and Adelia P at test skates and how they stack up against the seasoned Seniors at RUSNATS again now that they are on the same playing field.
 
I agree that most major events (Nationals, Worlds, Olympics, etc.) all give generous PCS---especially domestic Nationals events :)

Yes, they didn’t have the best skates of their lives but Sofia A has scored higher before at Russian cup final 2021 season with 70.24 and skated better than her past comps that 2021 season not worse in terms of errors (in her past comps that season she fell around twice I believe and had more errors while she performed better in Russian cup final 2021 overall gaining higher PCS there). Because of that her 2022 PCS at Junior RusNats was not the best of her career, but it was her season's best of 2022 in PCS. Moreover, she received those PCS in 2022 while skating clean when Sofia M did not at all in the same event messing up both the SP and FS. She did not make errors like Sofia M to achieve a higher 70 in PCS in FS vs previous skates (such as the "semi" step out, the fall, and losing levels).

What I interestingly noticed about Sofia M last season that didn't happen before (I highlighted/bold the main points):

Russian cup stage 3 at 64.48 PCS with 1 error.
Russian cup stage 5 with 4 errors 64.58 in PCS. Here she pretty much imploded and held back tears mid performance as she could not hold in the disappointment while missing some of the accents she usually always hits beautifully in that FS (it's one my ultimate faves from her but here it was not good). Only +0.10 difference so not a massive deal but still higher here when she performed a lot better in stage 3 than stage 5...
Russian Nationals with only 1 slight error on her 3A earning 67.03 in PCS but not outscoring the cleanest Junior there in PCS (which was Adelia, but she did not surpass Sofia S either who scored the highest of the Juniors in PCS in the FS).
Russian Junior nationals with 3 errors but received 70.41 in PCS as career best skate outscoring the cleanest Junior there with the highest PCS despite skating better at Senior Russian Nationals with less errors.

Usually PCS take a little hit from the best achieved PCS when one or more major errors are made but Sofia M's keeps going higher and higher the more mistakes she made in Russian comps last season...

This is my observation for her since I noticed she and Adelia last season scored similar in PCS in Russian competitions (not international. There Mura thrived more than anyone and beat them all in PCS internationally) however if Adelia makes mistakes (like in Junior RusNats) her PCS takes a dive by 2+ points than her usual even though scoring similar to Sofia M's PCS domestically prior to this event. On the other hand Sofia M's goes higher despite making more errors and skating somewhat worse at Russian Junior Nationals FS vs Senior Russian Nationals FS performance or even stage 3 cup FS. At Russian cup final 2022 when Sofia A made 1 error (the q) she received 67 in PCS not 70 that she received for going clean at Junior RusNats. Sofia S scored less than Senior RusNats by 1 point for her errors at Junior RusNats and Adelia by 2 points or more.

That being said....

If Sofia M can still achieve higher and higher PCS with more mistakes than when she skates very clean this may likely mean she is the new powerhouse of PCS amongst the new group of seniors (Adelina, Sofia S, etc) and could (maybe) most likely score higher than they when making more mistakes if this pattern continues again this season as seniors. I am not sure if it will continue, but it happened last season so it may happen this season.

However since there are now only 3 categories (composition, presentation, and skating skills) under the news rules I am also very intrigued to see what changes for these ladies and how high the PCS climb.
I think presentation seems to favor Mura more out of the 3 new seniors (Adelia, Sofia S, and Sofia M) since she has an edge at expression/projection as well as musical sensitivity and timing as she times more of her movements to the accents/lyrics of the music so her presentation is quite strong in my opinion (Liza Kulikova in Juniors as well). The only time I felt she did poorly in presentation and I disliked the performance was her meltdown in stage 5 where everything was going wrong (and it showed. It seemed like she was trying to process why/how while performing and holding back tears. It was very noticeable and bothered me as she is not usually like this) but usually she pulls through even with mistakes in this area (Junior Rusnats was still 10 times better than stage 5. Hopefully stage 5 meltdown never happens again). I am very excited to see Sofia M, Sofia S, and Adelia P at test skates and how they stack up against the seasoned Seniors at RUSNATS again now that they are on the same playing field.
I was talking about the average PCS score across both programs, not just the Free.😅 With one pop in the Free (and I've been told pops and step-outs are significant errors, even if I don't necessarily agree) Sofia A reached a higher total PCS average than with two flawless routines at RusCup Final 2021, and Sofia S fell twice in the Free and still had a total PCS average higher than with two visually clean routines at Senior Nats, where the Short was definitely of at least the same quality as it was at Jr Nats (I would even say better).

Also, there is at least one skater I can think of whose PCS went up despite her making mistakes, even internationally: Alena Kanysheva in the 2018-19 season (Still miss her 😢). In her last international competition of that season, she fell in the Short and her PCS score went up by almost 1.5 points compared to her previous best PCS score. - And that internationally, not even nationally.


What is very interesting is the difference between national and international PCS scoring (though these girls won't be skating internationally this season at the very least):

Sofia M.'s highest total PCS score (highest PCS from Short + highest PCS from Free) internationally is 96.88 vs. 105.07 nationally (+8.19).
Sofia A.'s highest total PCS score internationally is 93.91 vs. 105.01 nationally (+11.10).
Sofia S.'s highest total PCS score internationally is 93.90 vs. 102.14 nationally (+8.24).
Adeliia's highest total PCS score internationally is 93.37 vs. 100.26 nationally (+6.89).

Internationally, everyone but Sofia M. scores similar PCS, nationally Sofia M. and Sofia A. score higher than the other two. Adeliia, sadly, seems to receive the lowest PCS boost nationally (also due to her PCS reaching its peak at Senior RusNats), with Sofia A. receiving the most.
Generally, not all of these performances were equal to each other in terms of cleanliness, and of course they each only had 2-3 international competitions in their whole careers.
 
I was talking about the average PCS score across both programs, not just the Free.😅 With one pop in the Free (and I've been told pops and step-outs are significant errors, even if I don't necessarily agree) Sofia A reached a higher total PCS average than with two flawless routines at RusCup Final 2021, and Sofia S fell twice in the Free and still had a total PCS average higher than with two visually clean routines at Senior Nats, where the Short was definitely of at least the same quality as it was at Jr Nats (I would even say better).

Also, there is at least one skater I can think of whose PCS went up despite her making mistakes, even internationally: Alena Kanysheva in the 2018-19 season (Still miss her 😢). In her last international competition of that season, she fell in the Short and her PCS score went up by almost 1.5 points compared to her previous best PCS score. - And that internationally, not even nationally.


What is very interesting is the difference between national and international PCS scoring (though these girls won't be skating internationally this season at the very least):

Sofia M.'s highest total PCS score (highest PCS from Short + highest PCS from Free) internationally is 96.88 vs. 105.07 nationally (+8.19).
Sofia A.'s highest total PCS score internationally is 93.91 vs. 105.01 nationally (+11.10).
Sofia S.'s highest total PCS score internationally is 93.90 vs. 102.14 nationally (+8.24).
Adeliia's highest total PCS score internationally is 93.37 vs. 100.26 nationally (+6.89).

Internationally, everyone but Sofia M. scores similar PCS, nationally Sofia M. and Sofia A. score higher than the other two. Adeliia, sadly, seems to receive the lowest PCS boost nationally (also due to her PCS reaching its peak at Senior RusNats), with Sofia A. receiving the most.
Generally, not all of these performances were equal to each other in terms of cleanliness, and of course they each only had 2-3 international competitions in their whole careers.
Yes, I’ve always noticed that domestic scores are usually always higher unless the federation really doesn’t back the skater.

We don’t talk about Alena Kanysheva because it hurts too much 😭. Such a promising skater. Very unfortunate short career.

Internationally Sofia M surpasses all 3 in PCS (however she did not have any disaster skates internationally and skated very clean for the most part and without any ultra-c…which was smart!) my focus on the girls though is domestic scoring as international will not matter at all until the foreseeable future 🙃

I realized during this assessment that Adelia is the only one of the 4 ladies without a 3A in the short.

Domestically this may (or may not) be a factor hindering the PCS boost in the SP when clean at major domestic events as all three Sofias have at least jumped one successful 3A in comp. I know consistency plays a good hand. Adelia has not at all landed a 3A in comp as far I’ve seen. But maybe not because Anna S can get very high PCS in the SP without ever jumping the 3A with 37in PCS (though this may most likely be due to her Senior consistency in delivering and her track record because her Juniors was less with 34 PCS being her max her very last Junior Nationals without 3A matching both the Sofias junior PCS at 34 who both have 3A).

Maybe this season Adelia might jump 3A and it may (or may not) make a difference the more she is consistent with it but she might not jump it if it’s not as stable. It hurts more than helps if unstable (see Alena Kosto with the worse fall from grace 😔…)
Her consistency overall across both programs may be the only way to build up her “boost” against the trixle jumpers if she has none.

Alena went from 36 PCs cap with 2A to 38 max PCS with 3A domestically (before her sad PCS downfall during covid).
Kami’s PCS cap was around 34 previously in the SP then with the 3A became 38 max in PCS the following season (with the exception of Russian cup stage 2 with 37 in PCS in SP without a 3A. This was during Covid though).
Sofia A went from 31 max with 2A to 34 max with 3A domestically. Sofia M went from a max of 31 last 2 seasons with 2A to 34 PCS with 3A domestically.
Sofia S went from 31 with 3A to 33 max with 3A (sadly less than the other Sofias so shows that 3A did not do much for her)
Adelia went from 31 max to 32 max still with 2A in SP definitely having the least boost.
The 3A might (or might not) be the reason she gets the lowest Maximum PCS in the SP. The FS is another story mainly due to inconsistency with ultra-c elements and errors affecting the program and capping her potential.
Sofia M is the only outlier here domestically in the Fs compared with the other 3 in terms of getting better and better PCS with less and less consistency. So her programs must still be deemed excellent despite the extra errors which for her results in higher PCS regardless.

I know Jumps shouldn’t be a factor in PCS but I noticed a clean Anna at 37 PCS with 2A cannot reach a clean 38 PCS Kami or clean 38 PCS Alena Kosto who both had 3A (all three were consistent and clean at the time of those PCS). Anna is the only one without 3A and has not yet reached 38 in her career? Capped at 37 max so far. Can she do it without a 3A When she’s back? At 1 point it is not a big deal but interesting comparisons about the new senior group’s PCS vs the current senior’s PCS vs the past top senior’s PCS. Before 3A was a regular thing in ladies Evgenia and Alina could both get 38 in PCS but now it seems almost impossible in Russia without a trixel 🤔.

Tuk’s PCS was up and down due to inconsistencies throughout her career being the most seasoned senior out of the bunch but her maximum cap with a 3A is 35 max in PCS so far. Trusova’s Junior PCS cap was 34 and now is 35 max too with or without 3A since she’s been inconsistent with the landings. Both of them capped at 35 max last season. I would like to see a more consistent Trusova and how far this affects her PCS If she regularly lands her 3A. I do not know if Tuk’s will improve as she has been around the longest so 35 PCS might really be her max? I am not sure.

I just found it all very interesting.…

However I don’t want the new seniors at test skates to have a repeat ultra-c semi-disaster skate like most of the Juniors in their free skate and would rather they stay cleaner with one or two…maybe three stable ultra-c rather than constant falls with potential injury at that event. As much as I’d love to see new elements I don’t want them to look worse than the Juniors I just saw 😬 I like seeing the seniors out perform the juniors a little (especially since I am a little more biased to them over some of the current juniors) but I hate disaster skates more than anything.

I am even okay with botched landings here as long as they improve in the season. I think Trusova like Alice will do her new 4Lz + 2A at test skates. I will be happily in shock if she ever does a 4Lz + 3A cleanly.
 
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