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2024-25 Canadian Figure Skating

I hope everyone got their fill of champion skating. The aftermath is all The Canadians did their best no one goes into a competition hoping they would lose or do poorly. It sadly was not a great competition. Losing the three spots in pairs was disappointing. But the blame should not lie just on Deanna and Max. They came fifth and it was hoped they would at least podium as the reigning world champs. Lia and Trennt did not skate up to their potential. In fact they have been dropping at worlds - reverse direction for what you want. And Canada's third spot was maybe more experience. I do think Deanna and Max need to up the tech and get some programs which they can sell sell sell! In this current competitive state there are opportunities.

Ladies. So happy and proud about Maddie. She really tried. Usually 6th in sp and 11th in fs would easily be top ten but the math didnt' work out here especially with very strong skaters behind her in the sp going into the long - Kim, Glenn, Nina, wakaba et al. Still she has had what now 4 or 5 shots to make the top ten and empty each time. Canada really needs to find the next Manley, Rochette, Daleman or Osmond or at least a Chouinard or Preston. Maddie may have been a bit underscored in the sp but I am not sure how much more patience Canada has.

In ice dance well Canada was predicted to get silver and they got it. It was a bit concerning or disappointing though that GP did not win the FD or at least be closer overall. This team concerns me as they always seem to get pushed around. They just missed their first olympic team; they seem to show promise but come worlds they get pushed down unlike Chock and Bates when even not in US they make mistakes and they win This might be understandable if their skating was brilliant but its not. It is very good but it is not iconic like Torivill and Dean or virtue and Moir or Klimova and Ponamarenko. I really like LaLa eventhough their season started late I thought they deserve to pass or be really tight with Britain and Italy and past the French and Finns. Instead they get passed a very good but not great American team doing what kind of look like a budget version of Carmen. Canada's third team really looks like they won't even qualify for the free dance next year with an expected strong new quasi French team and the Lithuanians not taken out by a big error.

In Men well Roman skated very strongly for him. I do wonder though if he could skate clean his sp. It could be in the mid 90's. But the men are so strong Roman could only place 14th. That's sad and not very promising for Canada's men. It is hard as you can predicted 3 strong Japanese skaers, 3 strong US men but here one imploded, two very strong French skaters, two very strong Italian skaters, Mikhail andprobably one more Eastern Bloc skater. If Roman could skate relatively clean he could beat Jason Brown.

All of this does not bode well for Canada in the WTT trophy which was designed for the Japanese team who are rich in singles skaters. Such a system really is not in Canada's interests. Canada ironically has a better chance at the olympics in the team event with the lay out.

Overall not a very good world championships for the Canadians. I could see Canada having given Ayer and Fabri chances at worlds and 4CC's with very mediocre results going with the French Canadian team Maddie is still the more consistent bigger name lady skater. Ditto for Roman. With Stephen constantly injured, Wesley not a particularly engaging skater Roman is the best of the lot though still has issues getting the job done. Hopefully this event will spur Deanna and Max not sure if Lia and Trent have "it".

this quadrennial has not had the strongest skating world wide and not in Cnaada. Hopefully things will pick up for Canada or maybe it is is time to change the leadership?
 
Alicia and Paul had a bobble in their twizzles and that's why they ranked lower than some teams they have beaten in the past. They are usually stronger in the RD because they have great technical abilities, powerful and fast twizzles, and great glide. I am not worried for them but obviously, there is nothing ever guaranteed. They have scored over 70 in their RD quite often, so with that kind of score, they'd be "safer"
 
Ladies. So happy and proud about Maddie. She really tried. Usually 6th in sp and 11th in fs would easily be top ten but the math didnt' work out here especially with very strong skaters behind her in the sp going into the long - Kim, Glenn, Nina, wakaba et al. Still she has had what now 4 or 5 shots to make the top ten and empty each time. Canada really needs to find the next Manley, Rochette, Daleman or Osmond or at least a Chouinard or Preston. Maddie may have been a bit underscored in the sp but I am not sure how much more patience Canada has.
"Patience" doesn't enter into it. Madeline is the best we have now. If somebody better comes along, that's great, but until then she gets the assignments. It's not like we've been holding off trying to develop other skaters for her benefit.

In ice dance well Canada was predicted to get silver and they got it. It was a bit concerning or disappointing though that GP did not win the FD or at least be closer overall. This team concerns me as they always seem to get pushed around. They just missed their first olympic team; they seem to show promise but come worlds they get pushed down unlike Chock and Bates when even not in US they make mistakes and they win This might be understandable if their skating was brilliant but its not. It is very good but it is not iconic like Torivill and Dean or virtue and Moir or Klimova and Ponamarenko. I really like LaLa eventhough their season started late I thought they deserve to pass or be really tight with Britain and Italy and past the French and Finns. Instead they get passed a very good but not great American team doing what kind of look like a budget version of Carmen. Canada's third team really looks like they won't even qualify for the free dance next year with an expected strong new quasi French team and the Lithuanians not taken out by a big error.
Why could Alicia & Paul not continue to improve their scores?

I don't really see how Piper & Paul got "pushed around". They missed the 2014 Olympics because Paul got injured that summer and that put them behind their competition all season. They didn't perform under expectations in Boston at all.
 
Looking at Fabbri/Ayer's scores, they have improved from last season. It's the rhythm dance that helped. Prior to this season, they were scoring in the 60s for it internationally. Starting this season, it was mostly in the 70s, including their GP assignments. It's only 4CC and Worlds where they went into the 60s. First senior championships, it's part of getting the experience.
 
Synchronized Skating
We have the world championships this weekend. I’m looking forward to cheering for our two teams. Does anybody know when the competition schedule is coming out?

World Team Trophy
This competition is every two years. It favours Japan in the sense that we have two singles skaters in each discipline. So, just one pairs team and one ice dance team. I’m assuming Canada will choose:

Pairs - Deanna/Max
Dance - Piper/Paul
Men - Roman/Aleksa
Women - Maddie/SMD

Next Gen Selections
In Skate Canada site, it mentions they will announce their Next Gen team in the month of April. Does this list come out end of April?

I’m excited to see who will be chosen and I hope to see Minsol on this list. 🤞

Pairs (new)
After finding out Vladimir is pairing up with Beau, I wonder if they will compete right away in juniors. I looked at the Junior Men Nationals….

10) Vladimir - paired up with Beau
12) Kole - what happened with him and Annika? Is he still in Pairs?
13) Etienne - 4th in Junior Pairs Nationals. Him and Noemi will probably get JGP events
14) Nico - him and his partner won Novice Nationals pairs
17 Chris Mannis - I remember hearing something about him trying pairs. Did I imagine this?

A lot of the lower field boys are taking to pairs. Wish the following boy took on Pairs

7) David S - He is tall and looks built for pairs. I remember the commentators mentioning during Challenger or Nationals, that he didn’t know what to do next as he is aged out from Juniors. Will he go to Senior Men or retire? I hope he picks Pairs. Just pick a girl from Novice or Juniors that can do two different triples.
 
Synchronized Skating
We have the world championships this weekend. I’m looking forward to cheering for our two teams. Does anybody know when the competition schedule is coming out.

12) Kole - what happened with him and Annika? Is he still in Pairs?
He's entered for Senior Men at Sunsational later this month, she's entered for Junior Women.
13) Etienne - 4th in Junior Pairs Nationals. Him and Noemi will probably get JGP events
They split :( From their post, Noemie retired. Etienne was on Ice Partner Search, but he's no longer on there so I think he has a new partner.
17 Chris Mannis - I remember hearing something about him trying pairs. Did I imagine this?
He was entered for Novice Pairs at BC Sectionals, but withdrew. I think he was injured. They mentioned at Nationals that he's 6'4, so he's got the height for it.
 
Wow!! I didn’t expect a response literally one minute after my post.

@saine you are are a treasure on this forum 👏

So, Kole is just focusing on singles? I think he should try to find a Pairs partner instead. He will get lost in the Senior Men field. Also, if he is to do singles, he should stick it out, in juniors.

Etienne and Noemie broke up?? 😳They were so good together. After just missing out of a podium spot at Junior Nationals, I thought this team will get opportunities in JGP. I’m glad to hear he found a partner. Attaining the pairs benchmarks is easier for him in Pairs, than in singles. Also, there are so many talented Novice and junior girls from Quebec to choose from. I hope his new pairing will last longer.

Chris Mannis - I remember watching him in his Matrix attire and remembered watching him land some triples. But, not having the technical content to compete amongst the top boys. But, he was so tall with a pairs build and thought, he should do pairs, and then I remember seeing him on that list you mentioned, and I told myself to remember to check out his result and I forgot about it.
 
Speaking of Junior Men going to Pairs, Grayson Long and Ami Nakai will be representing Greenland 🇬🇱 :laugh:


He's definitely tall enough for it to be plausible.
This is, however, April 1. ;) Announce it on the 2nd, and it's actually rather a neat idea (if they had a federation, of course.)
 
Speaking of Junior Men going to Pairs, Grayson Long and Ami Nakai will be representing Greenland 🇬🇱 :laugh:


He's definitely tall enough for it to be plausible.
Looking forward to their 3a-2a-2a sequence 🐟
 
International Assignments page was updated for World Team Trophy:

Men
Roman Sadovsky
Aleksa Rakic

Women
Madeline Schizas
Sara-Maude Dupuis

Pairs
Stellato-Dudek/Deschamps

Ice Dance
Gilles/Poirier
As expected. Only implied news is that Wesley is second Canadian man in standings, so he probably is still injured/recovering or he would be sent.
 
As expected. Only implied news is that Wesley is second Canadian man in standings, so he probably is still injured/recovering or he would be sent.
It isn't based on world ranking or world standings, though? It is based on results from this season (for 2 skaters in each singles discipline, one pair and one ID team), with the heaviest weighting going to points from Worlds last week, followed by points from Euros/4CC. Wesley's points for this season are lower that Aleksa Rakic's. Wesley does not have any eligible ranking points from this season (he did not place high enough in his GP event, and did not compete at 4CC or Worlds). Aleksa has points from GP Canada and 4CC. I don't think you can read anything into the inclusion of Aleksa and not Wesley.
 
It isn't based on world ranking or world standings, though? It is based on results from this season (for 2 skaters in each singles discipline, one pair and one ID team), with the heaviest weighting going to points from Worlds last week, followed by points from Euros/4CC. Wesley's points for this season are lower that Aleksa Rakic's. Wesley does not have any eligible ranking points from this season (he did not place high enough in his GP event, and did not compete at 4CC or Worlds). Aleksa has points from GP Canada and 4CC. I don't think you can read anything into the inclusion of Aleksa and not Wesley.
That's for how they decide what countries send teams. I think teams are expected to send their highest-ranked skater, or they may be un-invited if they don't have a good excuse for the absence. Don't know if they are obliged to send second-ranked skater as well; there is probably more leeway there.

I assumed the ranking that is used is World Standing, but I could be wrong. I'll see if I can find out for sure what the rules are.
 
That's for how they decide what countries send teams. I think teams are expected to send their highest-ranked skater, or they may be un-invited if they don't have a good excuse for the absence. Don't know if they are obliged to send second-ranked skater as well; there is probably more leeway there.

I assumed the ranking that is used is World Standing, but I could be wrong. I'll see if I can find out for sure what the rules are.
I think as long as Roman and Maddie were chosen, the second choice had some leeway since they're the top Canadians in the standings. Sara-Maude was ranked behind Kaiya Ruiter, Gabrielle Daleman and Justine Miclette when she was chosen for WTT in 2023. Kaiya is still ahead of Sara-Maude in the standings, but wasn't chosen here.
 
I found the official document here

Here's the relevant text:
Furthermore, in case that one or more of the best ranked Skaters/Couples (in the ISU World Standings valid afterthe ISU World Figure Skating Championships 2025) of a Qualified ISU Member elects not to participate, the ISUreserves the right to exclude such Team from the competition and to invite instead the ISU Member/s whose Teamis ranked next in the ISU World Team Trophy qualification list.
If I'm reading this correctly, the ranking is according to World Standings and applies to all skaters. Note it says they "reserve the right"; not that they will. I think there is some flexibility, particularly if a fed chooses to send skaters with better recent results.

Or maybe it only applies to the top skater per discipline. Does "best ranked" only mean first ranked or does it mean "best one or two per discipline"? Damned if I know!
 
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