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2024-25 GPF: Men's Thoughts?

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Aymoz surprised me and I was thrilled to see him give it his all without giving up in the free skate. Good on him!

Do you think the tech panel was too strict with Malinin? It was an ambitious new layout - seven quads. None of them were deemed clean. I do see improvement in his connection with the audience as well as choreography.
Shaidorov said he's "done" coming up with new triple Axel-quad combinations as they don't get enough points. But kudos to him for trying and pushing the sport!

Kagiyama plans to work on the "distance" between him and Malinin.

“As far as the distance that separates me and Ilia, I just have to say that it’s still very, very great,” he observed. “So, I do aspire to be at Worlds. Until then, I will always have Ilia’s presence on my mind, and I will train hard to make that distance that separates us as small as possible.”

What are your thoughts on the Men at this event?
 
Well, Kagiyama won the FS, so there definitely is a bit of perspective here. I liked the men's event. I was so pleased to see Kevin happy, even after the not so good SP, but even more so after the not perfect but much better LP. The panel might have been strict with Ilia but it's always a danger when you land jumps close to the quarter. It made no difference in the end. I like it that Shaidorov broke new ground, so it's a pity he's going to stop with that. But if that means better skating skills and performance, I'm all for it! Good to see Shun up there as well. All-in-all a worthwhile weekend of skating.
 
All the q's and underrotations were there, and they were quite sloppy landings. Difficult to ignore. Ilia's probably going to injure himself attempting this kind of content while obviously lacking some fitness and form has declined.

If the gap to Kagiyama was smaller, they would have gone after maybe 4/7 jump elements rather than 7/7. The tech controller and judges always do the math in advance.

Ilia's perfect 10's he received in the short program for two footed skating was extraordinary. Maybe it was an input error because didn't Higuchi receive 0.5 from one judge in the women's SP? So yeah, an input error is possible, but two make that input error twice probably isn't.
 
Anti-climactic as far as GPFs go and, frankly, a bit boring at times. On a side note, that venue is dingy, dated, and poorly lit. I thought I was watching the event held in a high school gymnasium in my country. Angers is the opposite of Grenoble when it comes to venues.

I forgot something - booing. I must say, that cracked me up. I can't recall ever hearing an audience boo like that when a skater was scored. Great stuff.
 
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I enjoyed the men's event, even though I wasn't able to watch it live.

Kevin -- Such a shame to start his outing with 2 falls in the SP. His jumps just weren't working. Things improved a little in the free, but at least this was an improvement over last year! He'll always be a sentimental favorite to me, and I hope to see him in Boston. I already wrote in the competition thread that I wonder if being in front of his home crowd was both a blessing and a curse. I think they were still proud of him!

Mikhail -- Because I don't watch juniors, he still feels like a relatively new face to me. I love his grit and determination, and those Urmanov-taught jumps are amazing! Yes, he had some under-rotations and the judging was pretty stingy on step sequences, but he is definitely one to watch. I didn't find his programs particularly memorable. I look forward to seeing what combinations he will do next!

Daniel -- I have decided that personally I need to stop beating up on Daniel and accept that he made some dumb, crazy decisions. He received a punishment. He served his time. Time to accept that he's back and appears to be hard at work. He is getting called on his wonky jump technique, and the way he sort of throws his head back when he jumps makes me nervous! Don't get into his free program at all. I get the white t-shirt, but for me, it's just too reminiscent of the U.S. men's team bowling shirt look. If I get hold of that shirt, I'm gonna put some bling and maybe even some feathers on it!!!! Considering how long he had to be off the ice, I think he's making an admirable comeback.

Shun -- He is skating to my all-time favorite SP music, Ladies in Lavender; so of course I love that! I wish they could fix the timing on the 3A so he lands it on the highlight of the music. He lands it something like 6-8 beats too early. His extension has improved, but he needs to keep working on it. He's a little guy, but I wish he would skate BIGGER! I think Mark pointed out that his skating is a little scratchy and he needs to work on his glide. Good job in the free except for the fall on the 4F. Nice work on the rest of his quads and 3 jump sequence. I thought he controlled his nerves pretty well considering he hasn't been in lots of big events. He's definitely one to watch, and with things being so competitive in Japan, I wonder if he'll end up on the Worlds team. He'll probably do 4 Continents or Worlds depending on his Nats placement.

Yuma -- I always enjoy Yuma. Hope he can get his issues with his 4S straightened out. He's had troubles on his last couple outings with it. I really love his FS. I like the quieter, soulful beginning and then how it builds to the energetic step sequence. I wish him all the best in coping with the new expectations that people have of him now. I'm sure Carolina and his father will help him sort it all out.

Ilia -- Great SP. I'm not quite sure what to say about his FS and throwing in everything but the kitchen sink. Not sure what the strategy was, and I wonder if he was giving himself the ultimate stamina test! He is growing and has progressed with this program since first performing it at Lombardia in Sept. The q and carat cake on all the jumps is a little concerning, but I think they can fix that. In spite of that, I can't help but marvel at the technical wizardry and how his jumps come out of nowhere. Sure hope he can stay healthy!

Lastly, I appreciated the Grenoble crowd and was really happy to see when they panned around with the camera how many young people were in the audience, including little kids cheering on their fellow countrymen and -women.
 
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I don't know what it was, but i thought the mens free was the least interesting segment of the entire competition. Not at all helped by the ridiculous overhyping commentary on the ISU feed, nor the juvenile booing from the crowd (poor Shaidorov- but if even I can see underrotations in real time its going to be blindingly obvious to the panel).

Though I did enjoy watching Shun Sato's free (his artistry is improving rapidly), and Kevin Aymoz was wonderful (he made mistakes but didn't give up like he did last time). And WTF Mark Hanretty, the frenchman is decidedly NOT "uncompetitive".
 
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I remeber a few times but it was 6.0 system...
I can go back to a few old OLYG and hear the boos and whistles. With Johnny Weir the outcry was massive, to the point he had to motion to the audience it was okay. But then other issues were at play in that OLYG that male skaters usually don't have to deal with. Generally, with GP events and finals, you just don't hear things like that in men's. That's why it caught my ear so much.
 
I made the trip to Grenoble and it was sort of worth it. Liked seeing the junior singles live particularly. I agree what was said above about a dingy rink - it is indeed not great. It was supposed be at Orleans (don't know if that would have been better?), but then switched to Grenoble for some reason. It was sold out on Saturday, pretty well attended on Friday and not so full on Thursday, but that has been the case with short program and mainly junior days before.

But the men? Well, I would have loved to see Adam but was ok with the skaters that we had. No great passions for me apart from hoping that Kevin could deliver in front of his home audience.

The men's tech panel was pretty strict and I like that, it is better that way than actually seeing all the qs and carrots in slowmo and not on the score sheet.

Entertainment-wise, Kevin's programs were absolute top of the range even with the mistakes he made. He is always good to watch and he put everything into the performances (and a bit too much also which led to being a little careless). My only criticism is that he has to give a bit too much dead air before many of his more difficult jumps (though not the 3A so much) that the difference between performance and jump prep is too obvious. I wonder if they could mask it a bit better.

Grassl had improved in the time he has not been competing. He skates better, he even has a posture now. His jumps, however, are still mediocre. He is not really able to deliver a good variety of combos which is perhaps getting a bit problematic. He has no quad combo (tries yes, but nothing has worked so far), the 3A ones do work and he has an ok 3Lz+3T for the short, but in the free probably cannot use it because the 4Lz might turn into a triple... The complete absence of all kinds of flips is also interesting. And he has finally had to learn the 4S which IIRC he didn't wanna do when he was a kid coz it was too common and boring. I am waiting for the 4T to appear soon enough. The short is ok, the free almost unwatchable.

Shaidorov is a skater whose seemingly enormous popularity I find difficult to understand. He has tolerable quads and 3A but the triples don't shine brightly (and he still needs quite a few to make up 7 jump passes). The entry to the second part 4T in the short is glorious, though! The spins are so and so, but his greatest weakness is the poor skating skills. The bits between the elements and step sequence were not great viewing at all. He has some potential, I think, but as it is, I agree with what the judges are giving him. I can only hope that his team looks in the mirror, analyses the results, and gets on working remedying the situation (instead of blaming the ISU, judges, politics, and what not).

I still get nothing from Shun Sato. He has basically it all, good technique, ok choreos, but it just does not look great.

Yuma's short is good. His free has its moments, but I would still like to see sharper, stronger upper body and arm movements to match the style. I love the switch in tempo and intensity in the middle of the steps, gives me goodsebumps every time. IMO he has still some work to do before I would consider him really a great performer, as he looks a little cautious, tentative and nevers really lets rip. They have choreographed glances to the judges when he is passing them, but they tend to look nervous or shy glances instead of demaning attention (here, they could learn some lessons from Javi...). His jumps are beautiful and was happy to see a good 4F!

Ilia kind of made my trip to Grenoble worth it. Even on the not so great days, his jumping is good to watch. They've also done a bit of work hiding his weaknesses in lack of flow, complexity, and clarity in his what his feet do. The short has a lot of body movement and choreo that I like - the new costume was great, too. The free has maybe a little bit too long slow start, but the end rises quite high. He does let it rip.

It was thrilling to see the 4A in practices and I did wonder what he was going to do in the free. He also did not jump at all in his runthroughs so no one could really know what would come. His planned content was thrashed in the performance, so the tech panel really could not have calculated it all in advance (as suggested above)... I did think that he might be doing more than the 4 quads in the planned content based on the hints he was dropping about some surprises, but I did not expect to see ALL 6 different quads emerge in one program.

That was the first time ever anyone has tried to do that. Also, the first ever 7 quad free. That was really the biggest bit of FS history made in this competition. I was incredibly happy to get to witness these first times in person! It was messy, no doubt about it, but pretty good for a first time ever. He must have been dead already by the midway point. Nathan never got the 6 quad free right, but Ilia already did that in the Worlds in the spring. Now I am just waiting for him to get this layout all spot on...

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I can go back to a few old OLYG and hear the boos and whistles. With Johnny Weir the outcry was massive, to the point he had to motion to the audience it was okay.
Arrib627 said:
Olys 2022 Shoma was booed after his free skate by a certain group of fans

:( As an antidote, my all-time favorite audience was one time I was sitting behind a group of school children who had carefully prepared for their excursion by researching all the skaters who were slated to perform and making a celebratory banner for each. After each performance they jumped up with with the banner, shouting and applauding, and waved the national flag of the competitor.
 
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Well, young Yuzu was booed by Dai Takahashi's, the previous champion's fans when he first won the Japanese national title from him, Brian Orser confirmed. He was booed by Russian fans in Sochi OG team event (and cheered on by everyone else as the story goes), when he won over Plushenko who was also his own idol, to give it more spice.
But here it was a different situation from booing the winner by a disappointed fandom. I do not think Shaidorov has such a big following, it was a spontaneous response from the crowd to what they perceived as criminal underscoring of someone who was not their favourite but has just won their hearts. Did the crowd want him to win the overall event? I don't know, I don't think so, but even if, I don't think that was the point. They were shocked by the low scores he got. To me it really is a very different situation.
Or were they just Russian fans there for Malinin? Hmmm... I don't know, I have doubts now.....
 
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^ That happens quite a bit, actually. The audience boos when a crowd-pleasing performance gets low marks. I think it's the fans' way to say that they enjoyed the program and to tell the judges, "if you didn't like that, then phooey on you." It does not necessarily imply animosity toward any skater.

Taking it on the chin is part of being a judge.
 
^ That happens quite a bit, actually. The audience boos when a crowd-pleasing performance gets low marks. I think it's the fans' way to say that they enjoyed the program and to tell the judges, "if you didn't like that, then phooey on you." It does not necessarily imply animosity toward any skater.

Taking it on the chin is part of being a judge.
Yes, that's exactly what I meant. It feels different. But I do not recall it happening often in figure skating... maybe just my memory, but here I really noticed it. I remember it from my childhood, from the 6.0 era, although sadly I don't remember the names of skaters.
 
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