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2024-25 Russian Grand Prix Final

well, come on...if she cries and is upset, people criticize her, but when she keeps it together it means her career is over? Poor girl really can't win
Honestly its like the only thing that I see here which gets me legit frustrated IRL. I cant believe how consistent these comments are all season. Mura is 18 years old scoring 200+ average and her career is over. How do you even articulate a fair disposition towards these people without getting banned?
 
Never been a fan of L/G but I'm very sad for them.

Lost Jr Nats in the last age-eligible season because of an extended lift.

Lost national team mid-season because many strong couples have suddenly appeared out of nowhere.

Had to WD from the final due to a collision that was not their fault.

Must be devastating.
I just tuned in and I am still cranky about it. When Leontieva said in K&C she still had headache, I was worried she had a concussion. hope she recovers and they will have a strong next season. I became attached this year.
 
And honestly, regarding Mura, even if she had skated cleanly with a 3A and beaten Alina, I think they still wouldn't have picked her for the reserve since Alina has been scoring and placing higher all season. She would have needed to win like Petr to force them to consider her
Honestly its like the only thing that I see here which gets me legit frustrated IRL. I cant believe how consistent these comments are all season. Mura is 18 years old scoring 200+ average and her career is over. How do you even articulate a fair disposition towards these people without getting banned?
Yea, it's very annoying, especially when there are other skaters who have been doing worse like Akatieva and Sinitsyna, but no one's trying to end their careers :shrug:
 
Particularly since emphasis has become on maturity and gradually increasing mastery. Murav'eva clearly has a lot to offer as she continues to progress through her career. Her short program was perfect. I am really invested into her next season, and the season after that etc. But I completely agree that this season both Gorbacheva and Frolova were stronger.
 
And honestly, regarding Mura, even if she had skated cleanly with a 3A and beaten Alina, I think they still wouldn't have picked her for the reserve since Alina has been scoring and placing higher all season. She would have needed to win like Petr to force them to consider her
Uh if she landed 2 3As she would have even beaten Adeliia. She lost to Gorba at Nats by like 0.02 points. If she skated clean with a single 3A she 10000% would've made the reserve she would have still been close to Adeliia and even with just a 2A it would've been hers (around 230 total). Gorba has not been consistent at all. She had one good tournament. Mura would've destroyed Gorba's season best and she is older, post-growth with more experience and lower injury risk. Gorba would not have a single thing over Mura if Mura just skated clean with a 2A. That being said if Gorba just stuck with 1 4S she would've had it regardless. This whole event was a bit of a mess.
 
Kaganovskaya/Nekrasov skated beautifully. P/C lost out in the free skate, the difference in partnership was evident again. We'll see next season. Goncharov looked so sick after the dance, he didn't even seem to realise they podiumed. I can't stop secretly wishing for Mozalev to give a shot to ice dance (i know he is short).
 
I'm a little disheartened going into pairs, because it is sad when a very talented partnership like B/K have troubles. But Kadyrova/Mironov are pure joy. Fingers crossed they will become a stronger contender.
 
At the Russian championships she missed bronze by 0.02 and it had been a terrible season for her. I think she realised that only the skates of her career with a 3A would give her the reserve spot. Plus the SP went really well for her so she takes a lot of positives from the weekend.I think
All she needs i beleive is the confidence. She made so many times 3A except at the competitions - and now even in triples she made a fall. Everything is in the head- she just need to overcome it, but it seems that it is so difficult for her. Especially in Russia where the strongest are there of course the competitions is intense and now more because they get only 1 place, look at the Men competition how it was intense at GPF.
 
Well, that was a good and insightful competition. Like I mentioned previously, the 3A is the Russian Ladies Achilles heel…. Today… Sofia Akatieva 3A<< (fall), Adeliya = 0A, and my poor Sofia Muravieva kept falling on the 3A during the warm up. Please bring back Elizaveta T (or at least get her to train the ladies how to land this jump). But, I love Dasha’s 4T… it was landed beautifully during warm up. Alina’s 4S is awesome and Adeliya 4T is so reliable now. So, they get my thumbs up 👍 on the quads.

Also, please note that the three ladies who scored the highest during their 2 Russian GP events, all podiumed here at the GP finals.

Adeliya is such a fighter. Has a bit of Anna Scherbackova fight in her. She delivers when it counts. Her 4T saved her. I love this program. I hope she keeps this free skate for next season. Her 3A is what she needs to work on. This 230+ score is still sufficient to win at the Olympics.

Alina - Well deserved silver medal. She is so cute in the fact she is always in tears 😭 after her performance. She locked the reserve position, in my opinion. She was top 3 all season and podiumed here and at Nationals.

Anna - The most consistent skater out there. One poster mentioned she would score 210 internationally. Another thinks 220. To me, she is a 215 skater just to compromise 😜. With her, Russia would get so much consistency. She got 221 at Nationals and 221 here. She was better at this event.

Sofia M - I cried seeing her struggle with the 3A’s during warm up. You can tell she wanted to add this jump to her layout. But, if you are not close to landing it, it is better to leave it off the table. She suffered from not wanting to lose. You can tell she knew she wouldn’t beat Adeliya, but, I think she thought if she skated clean, she could battle for that second spot. As soon as she fell on the 3Lo, I could tell, she knew it was over…. Still, a 4th place at Nationals and this event, is way better than the first half of her season.

Ksenia Gushina - Amazing consistency
Daria - Too inconsistent to be on reserve list
Ksenia S - So happy for her. 4th best redemption free skate. She is back!!

I love Yametova still….

Sofia Akatieva really wanted it. Her jumps have deserted her. Really sad to see how Eteri’s star junior pupil, has gotten worse, and next season is officially her first Senior season. So, she isn’t even a Senior yet. I hope she continues her career. I hope she can regain the 3A and 4T.
 
Olympics
Olympics spot - Adeliya 🥰
Reserve: Alina G 👏
If they had three spots, Anna F would have been a dream

Worlds
If they were allowed to compete at Worlds: Adeliya, Sofia M, Anna F. They were the top three Senior Ladies at Nationals and here

Ksenia G would have been their alternate

Adeliya misses another gold medal at Worlds

Sofia M misses her third chance at worlds too…. 😭 (she also missed Junior Worlds due to covid); The international community will never see my beautiful Angel on the Senior Circuit 😢

Anna F - This would have been her first Worlds (I’m so sad 😭 thinking about it)

However, like Pairs… they no longer have that lock on a podium sweep internationally. It would be a 1st, like with M/G in pairs, and then maybe a second or a third. Just like with Pairs. Depends on what Kaori and Amber show up with. Also, C. Kim and Mone Chiba could consistently be in the hunt for those two podium spots too. (Would have been awesome to see these two Russian Women battle with these four women…) at Worlds to end this season.

Alina with her 4S (hoping she maintains it, next season in her official Senior debut season. Same with Dasha with her 4T next season. Both are gorgeous quads. Great height. Also, Adeliya showed 4T is doable for a Senior Women. Let’s hope she can land a 4T next season. If she does, I believe she will be the first Senior Lady to land the same quad in two Senior seasons.
 
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Olympics
Olympics spot - Adeliya 🥰
Reserve: Alina G 👏
If they had three spots, Anna F would have been a dream

Worlds
If they were allowed to compete at Worlds: Adeliya, Sofia M, Anna F. They were the top three Senior Ladies at Nationals and here

Ksenia G would have been their alternate

Adeliya misses another gold medal at Worlds

Sofia M misses her third chance at worlds too…. 😭 (she also missed Junior Worlds due to covid); The international community will never see my beautiful Angel on the Senior Circuit 😢

Anna F - This would have been her first Worlds (I’m so sad 😭 thinking about it)

However, like Pairs… they no longer have that lock on a podium sweep internationally. It would be a 1st, like with M/G in pairs, and then maybe a second or a third. Just like with Pairs. Depends on what Kaori and Amber show up with. Also, C. Kim and Mone Chiba could consistently be in the hunt for those two podium spots too. (Would have been awesome to see these two Russian Women battle with these four women…) at Worlds to end this season.

Alina with her 4S (hoping she maintains it, next season in her official Senior debut season. Same with Dasha with her 4T next season. Both are gorgeous quads. Great height. Also, Adeliya showed 4T is doable for a Senior Women. Let’s hope she can land a 4T next season. If she does, I believe she will be the first Senior Lady to land the same quad in two Senior seasons.
It's unfair. That is all. Also for me! (lol) -Boston is doable for me, 6 hours away, and if Russians were competing I would have bought the best seats in the house. The men's competition is a slight draw, but not enough for me to spend 5 grand. Without getting into politics, I believe this war will wind down before the summer is over, but probably not in the way the West wants it to go, so whether this will make a difference, I do not know. It could actually make things worse.
 
Well, that was a good and insightful competition. Like I mentioned previously, the 3A is the Russian Ladies Achilles heel…. Today… Sofia Akatieva 3A<< (fall), Adeliya = 0A, and my poor Sofia Muravieva kept falling on the 3A during the warm up. Please bring back Elizaveta T (or at least get her to train the ladies how to land this jump).
Yes, except for Tuktamysheva, I can't recall any Russian woman having a consistent 3A. I think Liza's strategy with the jump is to not enter it with too much speed because it makes the landing hard to control.

I actually think Amber's 3A this season reminds a lot of Liza's, and that's perhaps why she has been consistent with it (finally!).
I know Amber have said that Tuktamysheva has been a huge inspiration for her.
 
Yeah, there was such a stark contrast between Guschina and Akat'yeva. Personally, I expect more women to become stonger in the next 2 years, as they age out of the 16-18 hormonal storm system, and have more reliable biomechanical frame. If each of them can carry at least one ultra c beyond that frontier, it would be very, very solid, because they can build their program around it. It's one thing Russian fans forgot how to do: give them time to build, then rebuild. They will need to either switch to watching juniors or relearn that habit. Obviously, not to the extremes of the American fans who just can't let go, but to some modicum of patience.

It is very unfortunate for women's division that the boundary is 17 years, because it creates a false impression that the former junior stars burn out fast, when they absolutely do not, given that rest period, restructure and relaunch. The talent doesn't dissappear, it just needs a rest and a pivot.
 
It's crazy when we think back two years. Everyone was certain that Akateva was THE 2026 Olympian girl. Now everything is very different.
 
Also from the mixed zone.

Adeliia asked Anna to leave the ice after her skate faster than usual because Adeliia needed to warm-up the ultra-c jumps.
I find this some what unsporting. If I were Alina I'd take all the time in the world next time I have Petrosian following me.
 
Well, that was a good and insightful competition. Like I mentioned previously, the 3A is the Russian Ladies Achilles heel…. Today… Sofia Akatieva 3A<< (fall), Adeliya = 0A, and my poor Sofia Muravieva kept falling on the 3A during the warm up. Please bring back Elizaveta T (or at least get her to train the ladies how to land this jump). But, I love Dasha’s 4T… it was landed beautifully during warm up. Alina’s 4S is awesome and Adeliya 4T is so reliable now. So, they get my thumbs up 👍 on the quads.
Maybe with the increase in the age rule, the 3A needs more focus in juniors. I think junior rules change next season they can do the single 3A in the short program for junior women, so maybe this will see more focus on the 3A in Russian juniors.

The junior rules where the 3A has to be used in a combo in the SP (therefore little benefit over a safer 2A, 3Lz-3T) has incentivised coaches and skaters to pursue quads before mastering the 3A (assuming a skater has the athletic capability of performing either), especially in a country as competitive as Russia. Better to learn the 4T before the 3A since there is more benefit from jumping a 4T twice in a free skate than jumping the 3A twice in the free skate. The girls who did pursue the 3A instead of a quad got left behind the girls who pursued the quad. Other girls and coaches see that it's girls with quads winning medals, so that's what they pursue creating more a cycle of focusing on the quad to the detriment of the 3A.

Whereas in Japan or the USA, you can succeed and be the best in your country with just a 3A (or even without a 3A). Maybe things will change and Russian senior women will have stable triple axels in 5 years.
 
It's crazy when we think back two years. Everyone was certain that Akateva was THE 2026 Olympian girl. Now everything is very different.
I think everyone thought three would go and I would have thought Valieva and Petrosian would be the first two picks. In that 2022/23 season Akatieva fell apart in the Moscow stage at the small arena, should have got onto the podium for the GP final, was only two points better than Valieva in the Russian championships despite Valieva butterflying the 3A in the short program. She has never had stability in Russian seniors.

It is interesting to think what Valieva would have done in this final. Only Petrosian would be ahead of her. And I think her presence would also dampen the PCS other skaters like Frolova and Alina are getting.
 
I find this some what unsporting. If I were Alina I'd take all the time in the world next time I have Petrosian following me.
He left out the part where Frolova said clearly it worked well for her she wants to do it again next time 🤣

I dont see it as unsporting. Why should Adeliya be judged for Frolova's kidness? Steve Jobs said the best way to get what you need is to just starting asking for it. I doubt Adeliya would have had much of an issue making way for Alina if the latter had just asked. Its normal courtesy.

Anna - The most consistent skater out there.
Over the last 2 years maybe, this season no. Gushchina had a borderline flawless season every single jump was enormous and light. Frolova had some shaky ones and cardio problems she also drops levels more often.

It's crazy when we think back two years. Everyone was certain that Akateva was THE 2026 Olympian girl. Now everything is very different.

Maybe with the increase in the age rule, the 3A needs more focus in juniors. I think junior rules change next season they can do the single 3A in the short program for junior women, so maybe this will see more focus on the 3A in Russian juniors.
3A seems to be a pretty big focus already even in novice, at least for Eteri girls. I dont think Eteri is forgetting about it. Its just harder for small girls to jump the 3A which is a pure power move. If you're small you can get away with generational fast-twitch muscle talent (Strelstsova, Bazyluk, Elena sort of) but otherwise its just about having enough raw strength+weight to put into it. Juniors can get away with being light/snappy for 4S but the 3A requires some serious explosive talent if you're that small.

I think everyone thought three would go and I would have thought Valieva and Petrosian would be the first two picks. In that 2022/23 season Akatieva fell apart in the Moscow stage at the small arena, should have got onto the podium for the GP final, was only two points better than Valieva in the Russian championships despite Valieva butterflying the 3A in the short program. She has never had stability in Russian seniors.

It is interesting to think what Valieva would have done in this final. Only Petrosian would be ahead of her. And I think her presence would also dampen the PCS other skaters like Frolova and Alina are getting.
Valieva would have won this tournament with her 4T and she 100% would've been reserve. Valieva could've even been the #1 Olympic pick if Adeliia didnt skate completely flawless at Nats which Valieva (or anybody) just cant match without a 3A by definition. Very well said about everything else, Akateva had insane aura with her Nats win I think people sort of romanticized that event for her and forgot the big picture, this was always going to be Adeliia's era. It actually was not even that close TBH.
 
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