2024 CS John Nicks Pairs Competition Sr. SP

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Standings after the SP:

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1	Ellie KAM / Danny O'SHEA	USA	67.46
2	Ekaterina GEYNISH / Dmitrii CHIGIREV	UZB	64.62
3	Rebecca GHILARDI / Filippo AMBROSINI	ITA	64.61
4	Alisa EFIMOVA / Misha MITROFANOV	USA	63.44
5	Kelly Ann LAURIN / Loucas ETHIER	CAN	60.97
6	Isabella GAMEZ / Aleksandr KOROVIN	PHI	57.28
7	Milania VAANANEN / Filippo CLERICI	FIN	56.64
8	Yuna NAGAOKA / Sumitada MORIGUCHI	JPN	55.92
9	Naomi WILLIAMS / Lachlan LEWER	USA	54.43
10	Katie McBEATH / Daniil PARKMAN	USA	54.41
11	Nica DIGERNESS / Mark SADUSKY	USA	51.36
12	Greta CRAFOORD / John CRAFOORD	SWE	47.47
13	Linzy FITZPATRICK / Keyton BEARINGER	USA	45.75
14	Sophia SCHALLER / Livio MAYR	AUT	42.27
15	Evelyn Grace HANNS / Danny NEUDECKER	USA	41.11

Protocols - https://ijs.usfigureskating.org/lea...------QUAL000100--_JudgesDetailsperSkater.pdf

 

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[yuki@thelake]

Gamez and Korovin improved!

 

[dorispulaski]

Top 6 - all quite good for this early in the season!

Kam / O'Shea

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q on the 3 Salchow, hand down on the throw. Lev 4 very high twist


Geynish / Chigiirev UZB
https://youtu.be/lK-F0eJ3Vs8?si=OWt7GZvj0i1gUaYC

Mostly clean. Level 2 on twist, final spin not great


Ghilardi / Ambrosini ITA

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She popped the Salchow

Efimova / Mitrafanov USA

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problems with 3toe landing

Laurin / Ethier CAN

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turned out on the throw landing

Gamez / Korovin PHI

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Very under rotated Salchow





The juniors are here, too.

 

[labgoat]

Rewatch w/o spoilers is here

 

[Kittosuni]

Geynish / Chigiirev UZB
https://youtu.be/lK-F0eJ3Vs8?si=OWt7GZvj0i1gUaYC

Mostly clean. Level 2 on twist, final spin not great

They are the only team that got level 4 on the step sequence and even though I though theirs was good, it didn't warrant a level 4. It was just solid level 3 for me. Regarding the level 2 twist, I thought their twist was easily level 3 as I can see atleast 3 features that they hit just fine.
They have good lines and a classic look on them so I guess that helps on the overall visual.
Their SBS jump was impressive because of the height and distance but then again its easy to stand out when the rest of the competition has subpar SBS. Technically very competent team but needs more ommpp to really contend for the top.

 

[text_skate]

For me Kam/O'Shea had the best lines, best sync and were fastest of the top team. UZB teams was quite slow. No F for Efimova

 

[slider11]

Just love, love, love Ellie and Danny. If her jumps and throws can be consistent they are world medalists. Danny is such a rock-solid base for everything Ellie does with lifts. Lots to work on but lots of potential!

 

[aroundtheworld778]

Top 6 - all quite good for this early in the season!

Kam / O'Shea

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q on the 3 Salchow, hand down on the throw. Lev 4 very high twist


Geynish / Chigiirev UZB
https://youtu.be/lK-F0eJ3Vs8?si=OWt7GZvj0i1gUaYC

Mostly clean. Level 2 on twist, final spin not great


Ghilardi / Ambrosini ITA

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She popped the Salchow

Efimova / Mitrafanov USA

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problems with 3toe landing

Laurin / Ethier CAN

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turned out on the throw landing

Gamez / Korovin PHI

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Very under rotated Salchow





The juniors are here, too.

Is it possible for Gamez to get her triple jump in one season? She hasn't landed one yet in international competition with +GOE. It seems like a major element holding the pair back from medaling. I'm a new fan of pairs tho so just wondering.

 

[yuki@thelake]

Is it possible for Gamez to get her triple jump in one season? She hasn't landed one yet in international competition with +GOE. It seems like a major element holding the pair back from medaling. I'm a new fan of pairs tho so just wondering.

I always say, it is so much easier to learn the pair elements -- twists, throws -- but the jumps, no.

If you are not a strong singles skater or didn't have the most solid foundation for learning jump techniques, it takes a long time to do a consistent triple jump. she needs a super good jump coach to work with her jump technique. Alas, it is not something she can learn in one season

Same problem with Val and Max (USA). Val didn't have double axel or any triples when she did pairs with Max. So she's been working with a jump coach. Three or four years later, their SBS jump is still a crapshoot and you will never know if she will land it or not (most often, not).

 

[ice coverage]

... Val didn't have double axel or any triples when she did pairs with Max. So she's been working with a jump coach. ...

As a singles skater, Val achieved some successful double axels in competition in 2019-20 season at Collegiates and Regionals.

I hope that her hard work and perseverance will lead to improvement in jumping.

 

[aroundtheworld778]

I always say, it is so much easier to learn the pair elements -- twists, throws -- but the jumps, no.

If you are not a strong singles skater or didn't have the most solid foundation for learning jump techniques, it takes a long time to do a consistent triple jump. she needs a super good jump coach to work with her jump technique. Alas, it is not something she can learn in one season

Same problem with Val and Max (USA). Val didn't have double axel or any triples when she did pairs with Max. So she's been working with a jump coach. Three or four years later, their SBS jump is still a crapshoot and you will never know if she will land it or not (most often, not).

I wonder if this would be a case then where the pair focuses on increasing difficulty on the other elements (Gamez once said they were considering a quad twist) and does dependable doubles for SBS. But there are so many points left on the board without those SBS triples or double axel...

 

[yuki@thelake]

As a singles skater, Val achieved some successful double axels in competition in 2019-20 season at Collegiates and Regionals.

I hope that her hard work and perseverance will lead to improvement in jumping.

I should have added "consistent." She did win novice in the collegiate as a single skater.

When all the rest are doing triple SBS jumps and your team can only do doubles, you must ensure all the other elements get at least +3 GOEs with the most level. For example, Max and Val may struggle in SBS jumps but have the most beautiful lifts.

If the team is weak in one element, it needs to be flawless in the other elements to be really competitive because other teams are also increasing their technical difficulty.

I am not sure if Gamez/Korovin still trains at Montclair University's rink. If so, she can get one of the Ice House coaches in Hackensack to work with her on her jumps. I'd love to see them do better—at least reach the free skate round at the World's next year.

 

[aroundtheworld778]

I should have added "consistent." She did win novice in the collegiate as a single skater.

When all the rest are doing triple SBS jumps and your team can only do doubles, you must ensure all the other elements get at least +3 GOEs with the most level. For example, Max and Val may struggle in SBS jumps but have the most beautiful lifts.

If the team is weak in one element, it needs to be flawless in the other elements to be really competitive because other teams are also increasing their technical difficulty.

I am not sure if Gamez/Korovin still trains at Montclair University's rink. If so, she can get one of the Ice House coaches in Hackensack to work with her on her jumps. I'd love to see them do better—at least reach the free skate round at the World's next year.

Thanks for this insight. Yes, G/K are still at Montclair, according to recent pictures on their Instagram.

 

[aroundtheworld778]

Thanks for this insight. Yes, G/K are still at Montclair, according to recent pictures on their Instagram.

I should have added "consistent." She did win novice in the collegiate as a single skater.

When all the rest are doing triple SBS jumps and your team can only do doubles, you must ensure all the other elements get at least +3 GOEs with the most level. For example, Max and Val may struggle in SBS jumps but have the most beautiful lifts.

If the team is weak in one element, it needs to be flawless in the other elements to be really competitive because other teams are also increasing their technical difficulty.

I am not sure if Gamez/Korovin still trains at Montclair University's rink. If so, she can get one of the Ice House coaches in Hackensack to work with her on her jumps. I'd love to see them do better—at least reach the free skate round at the World's next year.

Update: they are also training part-time in Sochi with Savin and Klimov. So fingers crossed for some breakthrough performances this year.