2025 Skate Milwaukee & US Junior Cup of Skating | Jul 9-13

[DemTuppesSeine]

Yay, very happy for Angela! Loved her at Challenge Cup!

 

[jorge2912]

Group 1/2: https://youtu.be/VNjlP15kBhE?si=nrthH1KnQP7ZAYX8

Group 3: https://youtu.be/g1ap2ZgHxn4?si=l6p3bmpo8Z0WlpcB

Thanks you!!!

I wonder how will tolerate watch the event without audio. Is senseless and like i read post before pay for watch it without audio .i understand copyrights, if it's for avoid the artists sue to some skaters for copyrights violation . Ok can works but in a real world a FS or SP without music don't attract to nobody.

 

[gkelly]

I don’t think they are allowed two solo 3A in the FS, but I don’t have a rule to cite

https://isu-d8g8b4b7ece7aphs.a03.azurefd.net/isudamcontainer/CMS/Corporate-Site/Sports-Rules/Figure-Skating-Rules/Constitution-and-Special-Regulations/2024SpecialRegulationSPandIceDanceandTechnicalRulesSPandIDFinalrev0853339001741256957-7689.pdf

This is the ISU rulebook. There are more convenient documents to use, but they are based on ISU rules, so let's go to the source.

All junior and senior free skate programs, men and women, must contain "maximum of seven jump elements (one of which must be an Axel type jump)."

For all singles Free Programs the following will apply:

Individual Jumps
Individual jumps can contain any number of revolutions.

Jump Combinations and Jump Sequences
A jump combination and a jump sequence may consist of the same or
another single, double, triple or quadruple jump. There may be up to three
jump combinations or two jump combinations and one jump sequence in
the Free Program. One jump combination or one jump sequence may
consist of up to three jumps, the other two up to two jumps each.

...

Repetitions:
Any double jump (including double Axel) cannot be included more than
twice in a Single’s Free Program (as a Solo Jump or a part of a Jump
Combination / Sequence).
Of all triple and quadruple jumps only two can be executed twice. Of the
two repetitions only one can be a quadruple jump. If at least one of these
executions is in a Jump Combination/ Sequence, both executions are
attributed their full numerical value according to the Scale of Value and
calculation process described in Rule 353, 1.h), i) and ii.
If both executions are as solo jumps, the second of these solo jumps will
be attributed 70% of its numerical value according to the Scale of Value.
Triple and quadruple jumps with the same name will be considered as two
different jumps. No triple jump or quadruple jump can be attempted more
than twice.

I.e., in the free skate any double, triple, or quadruple jump may be executed no more than twice.
If a triple or quad is executed twice, it must be in combination or sequence at least one of those times to receive full credit.
If both are solo executions, then the second one will receive 70% of the base value.

As for the weird SP rule for junior women, I am pretty sure the intention was that the ISU wanted to limit the tech content of junior short programs, which is why junior men are not allowed to do quads in the SP. In other words, the ISU did not want junior women to do 3A in the SP at all, but they unintentionally left a loophole that permits 3A in combination. Maybe you know this already and were just expressing disapproval of the rule; a lot of people don’t like it, which I get. For my part, I wish they would close the loophole and either allow the 3A or ban it entirely.

The SP rules are not so much about forbidding specific skills as they are about requiring specific skills that the ISU wants to encourage and wants to compare skaters in the same event.

These are not just short "free programs" -- they're all about required elements. Although senior SPs especially have gotten more free in choice of elements than they used to be in the 1970s and 80s.

One element the ISU still wants to see from all junior women is double axel. They want an apples-to-apples comparison on that element. Which for the top juniors would be the easiest jump in the SP, but for the less-accomplished juniors (especially those who don't even make it to international competition), it's the hardest one they can attempt.

I wouldn't really say that the ISU wants to forbid junior women from doing 3A in the short program. They just want to require the 2A. And they want to require a solo double or triple loop, flip, or lutz each year.

So that leaves only the combination as an available jump element to include a 3A in. It's an available option. I wouldn't call it a loophole, any more than it was a "loophole" for senior men with triple axels to include them in their SP jump combinations in the 1980s and 90s.

The point of the SP is not to show off the hardest possible jump content. There are, after all, three required spin elements (same as in the free skate) as well as three jump elements.