Replay Lounge 2026 Olympics | Women

[Blades of Passion]

are you really trying to credit yourself with the scale of values, in spite of being listed in exactly zero ISU communications?!

There's no "trying", only facts. Hence how I knew, and shared a year before it was publicly announced, exactly what the rule change would be. Most of the people involved in changing the rules are never listed in ISU communications. Keep writing total logic failures though, and let me know when you've submitted any proposals that have been used by the tech committee, or any correspondences with them at all.

yet can't even execute a double jump themselves

Talking about yourself here? Or maybe some of the judges, because indeed a lot of them never actually trained at a serious level themselves. I did all the triples up through lutz, and specifically trained forward landing jumps for a bit since it was an accepted ISI skill, but that's also something you definitely wouldn't know anything about.

Interesting how Kaori's obvious ! lutz at Worlds didn't get called, btw.

I disagree with this. It wasn't an artistic choice made by Lu Chen to try to do a 3Toe+3Toe<<

Art isn't always a choice. It's something that's created by a confluence of factors.

She attempted 3Toe+3Toe instead of just doing a safe 3Toe+2Toe and it added more excitement to the program, regardless of being underrotated on the second jump. 3Toe+3Toe<< with a clean landing and good height shouldn't be scored less than a similar quality 3Toe+2Toe, is the point.

 

[drivingmissdaisy]

She attempted 3Toe+3Toe instead of just doing a safe 3Toe+2Toe and it added more excitement to the program, regardless of being underrotated on the second jump. 3Toe+3Toe<< with a clean landing and good height shouldn't be scored less than a similar quality 3Toe+2Toe, is the point.

I don't like the over-penalization of jumps that are short, but I also don't think you can ever have a << that I'd consider a "clean landing". She was at a total standstill on the landing of the second jump and had to save it with her toepick. To be fair, I've seen combos from Surya that were similarly under-rotated that I suppose were credited based on her technical marks. What Lu did was harder than a 3-2, but I don't personally think it would have been more or less impactful had she done that instead her 3-3 attempt. The important thing is that her placement of third was right, and I don't think a clean 3-3 would have moved her ahead of Kwan anyway given how favored she and Lipinski were.

 

[Anna K.]

3Toe+3Toe<< with a clean landing and good height shouldn't be scored less than a similar quality 3Toe+2Toe, is the point.

How can a "<<" be defined as "a clean landing"?

Just curious what your point is here.

 

[yfan1]

"Clean landing" means there was no additional error there. Satoko Miyahara used to underrotate her jumps all the time, and yet still had proper landing positions and a bit of flow. That's clean.

 

[Anna K.]

"Clean landing" means there was no additional error there. Satoko Miyahara used to underrotate her jumps all the time, and yet still had proper landing positions and a bit of flow. That's clean.

Proper landing position is "backwards".

How can underrotated be a proper landing position?

 

[yfan1]

Proper landing position is

Something with proper extension on the free leg, softly bent knee, upright posture.

I don't really wish to participate in an interminable discussion over semantics, so will be bowing out here.

 

[yfan1]

She was at a total standstill on the landing of the second jump and had to save it with her toepick.

Of course she wasn't flowing, forwarded landed jumps won't flow in the same way as fully rotated ones. However, I'm not sure what you mean by "save it with her toe pick". I don't feel her toe pick touched the ice there, the left foot seems off the ice?

What Lu did was harder than a 3-2, but I don't personally think it would have been more or less impactful had she done that instead her 3-3 attempt. The important thing is that her placement of third was right, and I don't think a clean 3-3 would have moved her ahead of Kwan anyway given how favored she and Lipinski were.

I think it absolutely would have been more impactful to do a 3+3 instead of 3+2 at the end of the program.

Importantly, I think that the 3T+3T<< here actually added a nice bit of additional interpretation of the music, than what she would have looked like with 3+2.

While I don't think she deserved higher than 3rd, I do think if she'd gone clean (especially with a 3T+3T), she'd have deserved gold. That was the best choreography for me at those Olympics, and to me she was ahead of both Kwan and Lipinski as a performer and interpreter of music (also thought she should have won 1996 worlds).