A New Era for Ice Dance?

[Joesitz (RIP)]

I think the look is changing. The so called 'passion' in dance is being given away to the more classic look of ballroom dancing on skates. Romance and Joy of Dancing are coming back replacing the sturm and drang of what has been so prevelant for so many years.

High on this list are two couples I saw in Tokyo: Virtue and Moir and Davis and White. How refreshing it was to watch each team enjoy dancing together. the audiences were wowed.

I believe this is one more item which proves The New Era Has Begun. It was time!

Joe

 

[Bridget]

Amen to that! I couldn't agree more. All that emoting and angst just left me laughing! I love nothing better than a waltz with deep, deep edges and some true communication between the pair. Look into each others eyes! The bizarre gyrating, flailing and ludicrous costuming was gigglesome to the extreme! V&M and W&D are the future, and it's a bright one from my perspective. Both couples are adorable and very technically good. And YOUNG! Hurray!

 

[gkelly2]

D/W didn't do waltz and their PD(king Igor) doesn't fit your descriptions , but i liked it much much better then the waltz

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

D/W did a great Tango without the contorted faces of the angst dancers. Therei Prince Igor was more romantic than captured princess.

 

[Tonichelle]

Ice dance has certainly become more fun to watch...

but I still like the dramatic as well as the more fun... it's all part of dance

 

[blue dog]

I think the one discipline that the COP managed to bring back to its roots is dance. Of course, the one thing that still annoys me about dance is how they have to count rotations and seconds in lifts, and not really pay attention to the music, but I think now that dance focuses more on dancing (which in my opinion, is nonverbal communication between the two dancers, and their audience), much of ice dance's high drama (Klimova and Ponomarenko, Grischuk and Platov, Krylova and Ovsiannikov) will diminish.

 

[gkelly2]

If everybody does waltzes next year, i ll surely scream for drama ....SO everyone have its personal tastes, thats why there should be a diversity: waltzes, romance, drama, rock and roll, drum and base.lol.(same as life- one day you're in love, the next day you're crying)
If everybody is doing the same,then the competition should begin and finish at the CD. Otherwise both V/M and D/W are extremely talanted kids. And the second are my new big favourites

 

[gkelly2]

D/W did a great Tango without the contorted faces of the angst dancers. Therei Prince Igor was more romantic than captured princess.

I didn't saw any anger...i saw passion...and tango is passion, last year's rhumba was romance. I can't agree that "Polovetsian Dances" is a romantic music. But it is very strange...why we don't have this kind of discussions in pairs,men,ladies?? The presence of jumps makes the discussions based on personal tastes useless ??:yes:

 

[gio]

But it is very strange...why we don't have this kind of discussions in pairs,men,ladies?? The presence of jumps makes the discussions based on personal tastes useless ??:yes:

There should be a third part of the competition (counting 10%) for Ladies, Men and Pairs (before or between the SP and LP) where skaters have to skate to a particular kind of music. In this part no jumps are allowed and the skaters should be marked just for choreoghraphy, interpretation, connection to the music, presentation, style...

 

[Mathman]

There should be a third part of the competition (counting 10%) for Ladies, Men and Pairs (before or between the SP and LP) where skaters have to skate to a particular kind of music. In this part no jumps are allowed and the skaters should be marked just for choreoghraphy, interpretation, connection to the music, presentation, style...

What a marvelous idea! :thumbsup:

 

[Grgranny]

I thought they did. I thought there was the first one where they all had to dance to the same music. When I went to Worlds in 92, it was the Polka. Not one of my favorites.

 

[Bridget]

V&M's FD wasn't a "Waltz?" It certainly had waltz elements,and feeling and deep edges, and I did see a lot of eye-gazing.....But I love Polovetsian Dances, too.....I wasn't making a comparison between V&M and W&D...I was saying I love them both!

 

[chuckm]

V&M's FD wasn't a "Waltz?" It certainly had waltz elements,and feeling and deep edges, and I did see a lot of eye-gazing.....But I love Polovetsian Dances, too.....I wasn't making a comparison between V&M and W&D...I was saying I love them both!

V/M's FD was Sibelius's "Valse Triste" which means "Sad Waltz", so it definitely IS a waltz.

 

[Mathman]

I thought they did. I thought there was the first one where they all had to dance to the same music. When I went to Worlds in 92, it was the Polka. Not one of my favorites.

Yes, this is what they do in ice dance. Gio was suggesting that they do the same thing in men's and ladies' single skating. :yes:

 

[julietvalcouer]

I didn't saw any anger...i saw passion...and tango is passion, last year's rhumba was romance. I can't agree that "Polovetsian Dances" is a romantic music. But it is very strange...why we don't have this kind of discussions in pairs,men,ladies?? The presence of jumps makes the discussions based on personal tastes useless ??:yes:

"Angst", not "anger". Not the same thing. He means the constipated "I'm SOOO dramatic" expressions that a lot of ice dancers (and ballroom dancers) use as a substitute for passion. I admit, facial expressions are freakin' hard to control, but as my ballroom pro put it, "If you look constipated, you're doing it wrong."

Oh, and Tango = passion, Rhumba = Love, Cha Cha = flirting, Samba = sex, and Bolero = EXPLICIT sex. (There is no mystery about what's going on in that dance.)

 

[Joesitz (RIP)]

V/M's FD was Sibelius's "Valse Triste" which means "Sad Waltz", so it definitely IS a waltz.

ITA, and that 'sad waltz' was beautifully done with the feeling of compassion for one another. There was no need for pyro technics and there wasn't any. Great job by V&M.

Joe

 

[Ladskater]

As Tracy Wilson stated both V&M and D&L brought dance back to ice dancing. It is about time. It was always there before until it took a different direction about ten years ago. Theatrics came to dominate the look of ice dance. No one seemed to want to change it or tone it down. Bourne and Kraatz attempted a few times to stick to the basics of ice dance, but they paid heavily for their efforts in their marks and were not often appreciated. I think David Wilson started the ball rolling last year when he created D&L's beautiful program done to the theme from "Somewhere In Time." David Wilson is an awesome choreographer and has done wonders in the world of ice dance. He understands what ice dance and movement across the ice is about.

For years I have been waiting for the theatrics to end and the ice dancing to begin. Hoorah!!!!!

 

[gkelly2]

So it looks like the canadians are the only one who danced on the ice and all the other couples are blahh??? But i am pretty sure you prefered the theater "Adagio" from B/K to the dancy rock and roll of L/A when they won the world tittle??
I do enjoy every program which has the choreo, the difficulties and all other required elements, and which is executed cleanly with great confidence and attack...no matter what kind of music is used, but i am very happy we have all kind of different musics and interpretations in the FD and fortunately, i don't think this will change.

 

[nuge]

I was watching worlds from 2000 Nice last night .I really like drama best A/P Carmina Burana FP/M D/V .Fab competion .I like dance as well but just prefer the more dramatic angst FDS more :yes:
B/K Adagio was my favourite FD of theirs.

 

[gkelly2]

B/K Adagio is my favourite FD of theirs too...even though it is a dramatic music.
Outside the ice arena there are so many kinds of dances- ballet, ballroom, modern ballet, latino-american, hip-hop, folk dances...and to say that one of this kinds of dances are more dancy then the others it is kind of silly.