Adian Pitkeev

[Mara]

From past knowledge, Buyanova always takes all her students, injured or not to training camps an example is Proklova who went every year.

Oh ok, so that's why! Thank you for the info!

 

[ewdokia]

Good news first: Adian posted some very nice pictures of himself on his instragram / vk-page:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BUzPxqQFnIy/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BUzP_mSFnrT/
https://www.instagram.com/p/BUzQLrBlC61/
https://vk.com/photo91675664_456241815
https://vk.com/photo91675664_456241822
https://vk.com/photo91675664_456241855

Seems like he finally lost this strange „I’m not handsome enough to be photographed“ – attitude.
The text on the 2nd pic, however, makes you feel what he’s gone trough the past 1 ½ years.

From past knowledge, Buyanova always takes all her students, injured or not to training camps an example is Proklova who went every year.

Moving on to bad news: judging from an interview with Sokolovskya at the end of May that time it was not sure yet, if Adian will (continue to) skate:
http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20170525/1120974583.html

Looks like if Adian will particpate in the camp, there is still a chance he might continue, if not …… I just don’t want to think about it. :sad21:

I really wonder about the sparring-partner part. Adian being expected to serve as a sparring partner for Alexander Samarin sure does fit into a plan of steady recovery. Somehow I start doubting the strategy of his new coaching team as well.

 

[silverfoxes]

Hope dies last, but if it turns out that he can't compete any more, it's good that he at least has another hobby that he enjoys. Maybe he can find success in music if skating doesn't work out.

 

[Pracygr]

I was looking back through this thread and his problems were well known for a very long time, and visible to anyone watching. Except for Eteri, apparently. Or she knew and just thought he needed to suffer and get on with it? I wonder what she will do if her daughter ever ends up with an injury like that. Of course, I hope she won't, but I just wonder what it will take for her to recognize injuries need to be addressed and healed ASAP.

Addressed in what way? Let's say you're in charge and you obviously know better. You have a skater that learned all the basic elements, has competitive aspirations, and now transitioning to hard and risky stuff. And as he does he starts getting pain in back/groin/knee/ankle. As a person that knows all the things other coaches need to recognize, what would you have him to do?

 

[silverfoxes]

Addressed in what way? Let's say you're in charge and you obviously know better. You have a skater that learned all the basic elements, has competitive aspirations, and now transitioning to hard and risky stuff. And as he does he starts getting pain in back/groin/knee/ankle. As a person that knows all the things other coaches need to recognize, what would you have him to do?

You don't need to be a coach to recognize that if a skater is wincing and grabbing his back after his program, over and over again, that you need to address the problem, not exacerbate it by pushing him even harder. That's common sense. Especially since we have now seen the result - a teenage skater who most likely cannot come back because he already has a chronic back injury. Was it worth it? Ask him. We covered all of this in the thread about Eteri and it's certainly not just my opinion.

 

[Pracygr]

You don't need to be a coach to recognize that if a skater is wincing and grabbing his back after his program, over and over again, that you need to address the problem, not exacerbate it by pushing him even harder. That's common sense. Especially since we have now seen the result - a teenage skater who most likely cannot come back because he already has a chronic back injury. Was it worth it? Ask him. We covered all of this in the thread about Eteri and it's certainly not just my opinion.

You didn't answer my question though. What is it that isn't just your opinion? What would you do to "address the problem"? Specifically.

 

[silverfoxes]

You didn't answer my question though. What is it that isn't just your opinion? What would you do to "address the problem"? Specifically.

Seek medical treatment, refrain from jumping as long as the pain is still there, and definitely not continue going to competitions while still injured. I think these are obvious things to do, don't you? This is Buyanova's approach. Unfortunately we do not know if he would have been able to return to skating if the correct measures were taken before it was too late.

 

[Pracygr]

Seek medical treatment, refrain from jumping as long as the pain is still there, and definitely not continue going to competitions while still injured. I think these are obvious things to do, don't you? This is Buyanova's approach. Unfortunately we do not know if he would have been able to return to skating if the correct measures were taken before it was too late.

Many things might seem obvious when looked at from a comfortable armchair. But when you go to a doctor all he says is that pain is caused by inflammation, which in turn caused by repeated stress. No treatment that is allowed by WADA is possible. Pain goes away after prolonged periods of no training, but comes back as training resumes. If you only allow training when no pain is present, then you literally can't train at all. So what would you do next?

 

[ewdokia]

Hope dies last, but if it turns out that he can't compete any more, it's good that he at least has another hobby that he enjoys. Maybe he can find success in music if skating doesn't work out.

Frankly speaking I’m really worried for Adian, cause it looks like all doors might be closed for him. With music you can hardly make a living. Coaching will be difficult for him, but then he made his choice to enter sports university last year (gives you a hint that that time he was convinced to be able to come back). Sadly enough it might have been better, if he had stopped after RN, concentrated on his A-Levels and turned into another direction (e.g. studying literature or something else not related to skating). But he was brave to try again and I still wish for him a miracle to happen.

This is Buyanova's approach. Unfortunately we do not know if he would have been able to return to skating if the correct measures were taken before it was too late.

Unfortunately we can be pretty sure that Adian’s basic condition could be cured. I don’t think CSKA would have invested in therapy in Germany and the U.S., unless the injury was one that could be healed. :noshake:

Many things might seem obvious when looked at from a comfortable armchair. But when you go to a doctor all he says is that pain is caused by inflammation, which in turn caused by repeated stress. No treatment that is allowed by WADA is possible. Pain goes away after prolonged periods of no training, but comes back as training resumes. If you only allow training when no pain is present, then you literally can't train at all. So what would you do next?

Sorry, to say, but arguing injuries can’t be cured due to Wada is nonsense. Now how did Kaetlyn Osmond cure her broken leg? Or Nathan Chen his injured hip? Against Wada’s rule? Of course you are allowed to take some medicines, but you have to ask for clearance. Btw Adian competed his last competition with shots – so following your argumentation this would not have been allowed as well.

But you asked for concrete measures / proposals how to address the problem – here they are: among other things Adian seems to have competed for about two years with a (stress?)fracture and kind of instability in his back (possibly due to lack of proper core strength). Actually a common type of injury in skating, which however is not that difficult to cure once detected (X-ray, MRT, CT – also not that difficult to be diagnosed): rest, physical therapy, muscle strengthening. However, what finally seems to have buried Adian‘s career is a rare muscle complication caused by the fact that he skated on that base injury for such a long time and later on also on the inflamed muscles (Eteri herself mentioned his muscle cramps already after Euros in 2015!). Don’t tell me this is normal for a coach. I’ve never seen any coach putting injury that much on ignore. Not on that level (elite coach with elite skater). :angry1:

 

[gmyers]

This is horrible situation! Worst part of it is if tutberidze didn't think pitkeev was a liar who lied about everything might all be different.

 

[silverfoxes]

Yeah, I'm not going to engage with this person who appeared out of nowhere and has nothing positive to contribute to Adian's fan thread. There is a 27-page thread about Eteri in The Edge where they can go post this nonsense but it's been well and truly covered to death. I'm over it.

 

[silverfoxes]

Back on topic...it was posted in Alisa Lozko's thread that Adian is rumored to be her new ice dance partner. I am not a fan of unsubstantiated rumors without any source being posted here, but I think it's an interesting topic to discuss generally, whether or not it turns out to be true. I actually posted here once about my fantasy of Adian and Yulia teaming up for ice dance, but I wondered whether his back could handle the lifts. Maybe it's just the impact from jumps that gives him issues. Anyway, Adian isn't at the CSKA camp with his team, so it does make me wonder. I would be happy if he could continue his career in any form instead of being forced into early retirement. And he has beautiful skating skills that shouldn't go to waste.​

 

[ewdokia]

Alisa has now officially confirmed Adian as her new partner: https://ask.fm/lALiSiAI/answers/140875307349

I’m very sad that Adian had to finish single skating due to injury with so much potential not being realized. And honestly I’m quite skeptical about this arrangement (hope I’ll be wrong). First of all I’m worried about Adian's back considering the lifts. Then – despite I really like Lozko and think Alisa and Adian will look beautiful on the ice, both light and long limbed, sharing a lyrical quality in their soft skating – I wish Adian has gotten a more experienced partner. If things won’t work out, Alisa is so young, she can stay four more years in juniors and try out with one or two more partners. For Adian time really starts running now. However, I very much wish, that he can realize all the potential he had as a single skater in dance and that injuries won’t plaque him any more.

And looking at it from a more general side, overall I’m happy that Adian decided to stay in the business. Once that he has entered Moscow sports university last year, he obviously made a decision to dedicate his life to skating, probably as coach after his active career. Staying in the business will help him here. Competing and watching how your own and other coaches work for quite a while, is a good prerequisite for a successful coaching career. Certainly better than with early retirement at age 19.

So good luck Adian! Be happy and healthy and may your dreams come true in dance!

 

[silverfoxes]

I suppose he will find out soon enough if the lifts bother his back. We can't turn back time or undo the terrible decisions that led him to be unable to jump any more, so I'm just glad he's not giving up and I wish them the best.

 

[Sofia]

Just glad that they don't have to say goodbye to the competitive ice, at least for the moment, after all the difficulties they had. Although I'm not quite optimistic about the long-term potential of this project (TBH for Alisa it's better to find a experienced partner), I wish that this would be a valuable experience for both of them. (And in any case I won't say no to a picture or a video clip of them ice dancing together, considering how good-looking they both are :agree2

 

[breadstal]

No words. Adian has retired (from singles) due to chronic back problems. https://twitter.com/Iron_Klaus/status/879340826966581249
http://rsport.ru/figure_skating/20170626/1122218604.html

 

[Spot]

That is very sad to hear! I hope his back problems improve and that they do not impact his normal life in any way.

 

[cheerknithanson]

I heard the news early this morning and I let out a gasp. But it wasn't too surprising to be honest. Such a shame. He was showing real potential in the 1st half of the 2015-2016 season. I feel fortunate I saw him skate twice. Health comes first and I hope his life after skating will be good.

 

[silverfoxes]

He would make a wonderful show skater and you don't need quads for that. Of course, I would like to see the ice dance experiment work, but just in case it doesn't.

Think I've said everything else I can say about what happened to him, apart from a few words which are not allowed on GS...

 

[Kitt]

So now he will try ice dance with Lozko? and coached by Elena Ilynyk. That should be interesting!