Little matters how beautifully you run, how high you can raise your knees, how perfectly you pass corners.
The marathon is measured by time.
Alena Kostornaia
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Little matters how beautifully you run, how high you can raise your knees, how perfectly you pass corners.
The marathon is measured by time.
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it's not supposed to be a marathon.
If it should be let's get rid of the hypocrisy and remake it in a X-sport.
(talking to ISU not to you of course)
No music, no choreo, no fancy dresses: just jumps and maybe spins to add some variation.
Seriously: if all they wanna see it's jumps we should have the whole 6 skater group on the ice taking turns jumping.
I would even watch it, as I like diving competitions for example.
Not that I want figure skating to become some sort of single ice dance: that would be another denaturalization of the sport.
(I really like ice dance, but it's another thing)
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I actually love Sasha's edge into her 3Lz. :thumbsup:
Anna's Lutzes were almost blade jumps instead of toe jumps, and with an unclear edge, but maybe not optimal condition played a big role in her skating too.
Aliona seemed really exhausted into the last minute of her FS.
Her acceleration after that little choreo jump on the spot has always been one of her woooow things to me but this time it was far from her potential.
Even before that moment she missed level 4 int the steps, and I definitely expect level 4 from her.
As for being able to skate an almost clean competition I'm really impressed for how she managed her growth sprout.
Jumps entry contributes to GOE as is considered part of the technical element... I think
A very strange thing i noted: one of the judges assigned 0 GOE to her single trixel in the FS, while everyone else was bwteen 2 and 4.
Makes no sense so I wonder if a 0 GOE is assigned if the judge don't enter a vote
Nahhhh, i will never stop loving running and cycling, they are such EPIC sports.
It's just that figure skating is another thing and it is the aesthetic of the movements to the rhythm of music that makes it special and fascinating.
So much better than an equally technical discipline like alpine skiing, for example (although I am much, much better as a skier than as a skater).
Without this aesthetic quality, for me it would go very low compared to many other sports.
TBH, if they removed the music, the choreography, all the artistic aspects from figure skating, I would prefer to watch a slalom or a downhill race, which would be much more spectacular in terms of speed and power expressed by the athletes.
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I can understand that. That's why I don't like "elements" as a discipline in a competition..
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You got it perfectly.
This sport required a very particular set of eterogeneous skills, and that's make it unique.
If we make it banal killing the value of some of the skillset, it becomes dull.
The problem is more in the judges than in the system imo.
I don't like the combination of a cumulative score with a fixed maximum one, and I think that with the actual TES of the best ladies the PCS factor should be 2.0 like men.
We could also change how falls are scored and (if quads are to be the new stardard) increase BV for tol level steps and spins so that there is a real incentive in working for level and GOE on those elements.
We can even introduce a consecutive clean (GOE > 0) element bonus to punish splash fests.
but this are just adjustent to the system.
The judges are the ones responsible to make the system work in balance.
Are they doing their work?
Or I'm the only one perceiving "Big TES = PCS Bonus" and "Fame = PCS Bonus"?
Pick PCS for Sasha vs Paganini in EC FS.
Sasha: 67.25 total , SS 8.61
Paganini: 62.91 total , SS 7.82
The only skater with SS under 6.0 (pass grade in a 0-10 system in schools) is the last classified with 5.89
Of course is the EC and we expect all the skater to have good SS, but now I'm asking: should the SS score for a regional competition and for the EC to be the same or we expect that the requirements to obtain a 6 in an international senior competition to be more challenging?
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Bonuses like this are applied in the russian competitions like Russian Cup, e.g. the bonus for all elements (spins and stsq) having lvl 4 etc.
I am not against rising the factor fot components to 1 in SP and 2 in FP, but only in case that components will be scored more objectively than they are now. As fot the GOE, it is described in detail in the rules, when -5/+5 system was introduced, ISU even showed performances and elements that should be considered as a standards, but there is nothing like that for elements. It is very subjective, just look at the quarrels here about what should be considered "artistry" (though "artistry" itself is not a component). Before this will be finally solved in some satisfying way, I'm still more "pro-elements" fan
BTW I don't think that spins or stsq are that marginal when it comes to TES. On the Europeans Viktoriia Safonova messed two spins at the end of her short program and it had very big impact on her score and placement. It's more that people take the points for spins for granted.
Really lovely fan art of Aliona! 
https://twitter.com/frogflag1115/status/1224541057628745728
Also, I posted this in the Russian ladies thread, but they're just so cute so I'm posting it here too:
https://twitter.com/TarorezYo/status/1224329346065694720 :luv17:
In the photo where Aliona and Deniss are shaking hands, there is some serious eye contact.
She looks kinda skeptical? intrigued? Maybe a little shy?
(No, I'm not shipping them, I swear!!
)
https://twitter.com/frogflag1115/status/1224541057628745728
Also, I posted this in the Russian ladies thread, but they're just so cute so I'm posting it here too:
https://twitter.com/TarorezYo/status/1224329346065694720 :luv17:
In the photo where Aliona and Deniss are shaking hands, there is some serious eye contact.
She looks kinda skeptical? intrigued? Maybe a little shy?(No, I'm not shipping them, I swear!!
)
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Don't know... I wouldn't recognize her...
This one's better..
https://sun9-64.userapi.com/c200720/v200720079/5acf6/Wm7NgrBv374.jpg
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Really lovely fan art of Aliona!
https://twitter.com/frogflag1115/status/1224541057628745728
Also, I posted this in the Russian ladies thread, but they're just so cute so I'm posting it here too:
https://twitter.com/TarorezYo/status/1224329346065694720 :luv17:
In the photo where Aliona and Deniss are shaking hands, there is some serious eye contact.
(No, I'm not shipping them, I swear!!
It's not so long ago when people were shipping Aliona with Alexei Erokhov
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Really lovely fan art of Aliona!
https://twitter.com/frogflag1115/status/1224541057628745728
Also, I posted this in the Russian ladies thread, but they're just so cute so I'm posting it here too:
https://twitter.com/TarorezYo/status/1224329346065694720 :luv17:
In the photo where Aliona and Deniss are shaking hands, there is some serious eye contact.
(No, I'm not shipping them, I swear!!
I suppose Aliona is wondering why he's not kneeling before the mighty 3A
Sasha seem to know him already well... and once again I love her sweet and warm side.
Anna... look at her smile! Could she have a crush for him?
Aliona on the cover of a German skating magazine! :agree:
http://pirouette-online.de/nr-2-februar-2020.html
http://pirouette-online.de/nr-2-februar-2020.html
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Aliona on the cover of a German skating magazine! :agree:
http://pirouette-online.de/nr-2-februar-2020.html
She‘s looking great! European and GPF Champ! :luv17:
I remember someone in here asking why I‘d said Aliona was a real star and I think I haven‘t answered yet. It‘s pretty easy to say, though, and it‘s the fact that there‘s just the sort of “it“ factor about her. She‘s not just one of the 3A, she is Aliona Kostornaya, and I think she wants that too. Also, when she takes the warm-up, your eyes are immediately drawn to her. She skates differently than all the other skaters I saw live. Also, she‘s tiny but on the ice she has a real presence. At Euros she wasn‘t at her best, I‘ve seen her programs better than she‘d skated them. But despite that lack of total enthusiasm, people were still amazed by her.
Also, the article in the magazine is pretty interesting, it‘s about the conditions of the arena and the ice in Graz. Looks like some of the accusations weren‘t only unfounded but inaccurate. I think I might translate it and post it in the Russian Ladies Thread.
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Also, the article in the magazine is pretty interesting, it‘s about the conditions of the arena and the ice in Graz. Looks like some of the accusations weren‘t only unfounded but inaccurate. I think I might translate it and post it in the Russian Ladies Thread.
Yes, please
Interesting to hear about figure skating from this publication. They perhaps had their own reporter present and are therefor more independent than the usual sources that supply articles.
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She‘s looking great! European and GPF Champ! :luv17:
I donìt think is possible for Her to look something less than great
:agree:Guilty :agree2:
I dont' follow the junior Circuit, so Aliona this year was new to me.
I didn't even saw the warmup for that group.
She entered the ice and she started her circling to take position.
Every movement perfectly measured, like she was testing the blades and the ice, like she has a special connection with both of them.
No apparent effort to push forward, moving without apparent friction.
I was already captured, and she still had to start her program
I have no idea what Anna is thinking...
But I *am* sure that IF Anna had a crush on someone, Aliona would 1) figure it out immediately, 2) tease Anna mercilessly, and 3) try to set them up. Like, invite them both to see a movie and conveniently fail to show up! :yes:
Yes, I have no doubt that this is how our little devil would react. :yes:
I remember someone in here asking why I‘d said Aliona was a real star and I think I haven‘t answered yet. It‘s pretty easy to say, though, and it‘s the fact that there‘s just the sort of “it“ factor about her. She‘s not just one of the 3A, she is Aliona Kostornaya, and I think she wants that too. Also, when she takes the warm-up, your eyes are immediately drawn to her. She skates differently than all the other skaters I saw live. Also, she‘s tiny but on the ice she has a real presence. At Euros she wasn‘t at her best, I‘ve seen her programs better than she‘d skated them. But despite that lack of total enthusiasm, people were still amazed by her.
Also, the article in the magazine is pretty interesting, it‘s about the conditions of the arena and the ice in Graz. Looks like some of the accusations weren‘t only unfounded but inaccurate. I think I might translate it and post it in the Russian Ladies Thread.
Thanks for sharing, Fluture! :agree:
I hope to see Aliona live soon!
And it would be great if you translate the article!
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I can see Anna compusilvely denying any interest in phase 2), considering admitting the crush only in presence of photographyc evidence of a kiss.
While if it was sweet Sasha I can see her face becoming totally red.
I can be wrong of course but i have the impression that Aliona is a little protective to Sasha, so I imagine phase 4) with our Vampire overwatching the crush behaviour. :cool14:
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I think nobody of the 3A is just one of the 3.
We are talking of absolute excellence here.
But being one of the 3A and fighting that inside war is what makes them even more unique.
If Aliona (or Anna/Sasha) wuold enter senior alone we would have seen total dominance with terrific scores, raising the bar for everyone else by a step (a big one but just a step)
Alina did it before the 3A, Zenya did it before Alina.
With the 3A, the bar is raised by a group of skaters so high that until now the only girl to beat a 3A is another 3A.
To win against the other 3A you need to mount another step!
That why Aliona's and Anna's titles are above outstanding.
Now it's Sasha who needs to mount that second step: she has it in her, she just have to find it.
With so mighty opposition they will win less and with much more effort, but those medals are platinum non just gold.
At the start of the season we were talking about 4A, but Alina could not keep up to the task because of a difficult season.
Could she overcome her problems, raise her level and become the 4th Ace once againg?
I don't know, but if she could it would be an achievement greater than her Olympic title.
Much less popular and recognized of course, but that would prove so much more (to me at least).
Keeping up with the new generation (a revolutionary generation in this case) after dominating your peak time is mark of true greatness.
(just please don't read this as "she won olympic because of lesser opposition" because she had to fight it till the last spin whit Zenya and that was great opposition both technically and mentally)
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