ALEXEI the cover-story of fitness magazine
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Good grief people! What a bunch of whiny-butt babies we have here! WHY is it that NOTHING can be posted about this particular skater without it turning into a 5 page b*tchfest?? "Oh, he didn't really win the Olys, the 6.0's were a gift". "Had Plush not fallen". "He must have this author on his payroll". Yadda yadda yadda, shut the heck up!!! Geeze!
Yes, Yagudin WON the last Olympics! Yes, he did WIN the "Quadruple Crown". Yes, he DID recieve the most 6.0's for a single male skater in Olympic history. Get over it!!!
There was even a comment by someone about how this particular writer must be on Yag's "payroll", because she was complimentary of him in the article. Oh yeah, and she's done another article or two on him. Well, da*n, slap my face and call me stupid! I guess anyone who writes about a certain person more than once must be on the "fan bandwagon", huh? Tell that to all the AP writers stationed in Washington DC...."Okay, only one article apiece, or two if the first one isn't complimentary...Heaven help us if someone thinks you actually LIKE or RESPECT the person you are writing about, that's not at all allowed!"
Seems that SOME people here have very limited brain power, so they can ONLY be a fan of ONE skater. It must be so hard to get through life, so mentally challenged, and perhaps I'm just being a b*tch to be sick of you particular "fans". Maybe I'll get some guilty conscience and make a donation to Special Olympics.
As for me, YES, I'm a HUGE Yagudin fan, and not at all ashamed of it. I'm also a Weiss fan, a Browning fan, a Sabovcik fan, a Weir fan, a Joubert fan, a Buttle fan, a Sandhu fan, a Hamilton fan, a Kulik fan, oh yeah, and I actually find Plushenko to be a very talented and charming person, even if I don't like his program or costume! Geeze, I guess based on the brain power of these one-skater fans, I must be freaking Einstein!
The competition's done, the winner won, GET OVER IT!!!!!!!
Kasey
Yes, Yagudin WON the last Olympics! Yes, he did WIN the "Quadruple Crown". Yes, he DID recieve the most 6.0's for a single male skater in Olympic history. Get over it!!!
There was even a comment by someone about how this particular writer must be on Yag's "payroll", because she was complimentary of him in the article. Oh yeah, and she's done another article or two on him. Well, da*n, slap my face and call me stupid! I guess anyone who writes about a certain person more than once must be on the "fan bandwagon", huh? Tell that to all the AP writers stationed in Washington DC...."Okay, only one article apiece, or two if the first one isn't complimentary...Heaven help us if someone thinks you actually LIKE or RESPECT the person you are writing about, that's not at all allowed!"
Seems that SOME people here have very limited brain power, so they can ONLY be a fan of ONE skater. It must be so hard to get through life, so mentally challenged, and perhaps I'm just being a b*tch to be sick of you particular "fans". Maybe I'll get some guilty conscience and make a donation to Special Olympics.
As for me, YES, I'm a HUGE Yagudin fan, and not at all ashamed of it. I'm also a Weiss fan, a Browning fan, a Sabovcik fan, a Weir fan, a Joubert fan, a Buttle fan, a Sandhu fan, a Hamilton fan, a Kulik fan, oh yeah, and I actually find Plushenko to be a very talented and charming person, even if I don't like his program or costume! Geeze, I guess based on the brain power of these one-skater fans, I must be freaking Einstein!
The competition's done, the winner won, GET OVER IT!!!!!!!
Kasey
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Thank you, Kasey! 
Isn't it fascinating to observe how far certain small-minded, bitter and envious persons are able to go in their anti-Yagudin-obsession? They don't like the guy, fine, but why they waste their time with reading the AYDG or endless palavering in Yagudin-threads is a mystery to me. Like Windspirit already said, must be his magnetic personality.
Curious, just wanna let you know there's an interesting Plushenko-thread at the Voting Booth. Maybe you'd like to participate there for a chance? If I understood it right you're Plushenko-fan at first, uh?
Isn't it fascinating to observe how far certain small-minded, bitter and envious persons are able to go in their anti-Yagudin-obsession? They don't like the guy, fine, but why they waste their time with reading the AYDG or endless palavering in Yagudin-threads is a mystery to me. Like Windspirit already said, must be his magnetic personality.
Curious, just wanna let you know there's an interesting Plushenko-thread at the Voting Booth. Maybe you'd like to participate there for a chance? If I understood it right you're Plushenko-fan at first, uh?
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Very interesting comments there Jaana and berthes gohst LOL
Seems like Yagudin is in very good company in winning the triple crown. Only grand masters of figure skating have won it as well In fact, since Curry in 1976, nobody else has won the triple crown. Impressive it took 26 (!!) years for another sater to come and win it, in the case, Yagudin. And he came to win the quadruple crown, when he had the chance.
You see, that is where the WOW factor lies. After 26 years, to be able to win the 4 major international competitions in a time where the skating season is so long, the quad is mandatory, skaters are plagued by injuries.. You have to be consistent, healthy, very good and most of all, win whenit counts the most. Is it really so hard to get the WOW factor here? LOL IMO, it's already a VERY impressive feat!! If it was so easy Kulik would have done it too LOL
Plushenko was injured, that's why he didn't go to Worlds. What I'm not sure is why it's relevant that Yagudin announced his decision of going to Worlds after Plushenko withdrew. After all, he had just beaten him convincingly at the Olympics LOL Given his competitive nature, I could see him waiting for another showdown
Would be interesting to see what could Plushenko do, considering how well prepared Yagudin was at the time, though. Breaking 6.0 records in SP, another nearly flawless LP performance...
And I may have a very short memory, but I THINK Sarah Hughes was 4th after the SP and I THINK she's is the current Olympic Champion, isn't she? LOL And the absolute favorites Michelle Kwan and Irina Slutskaya came after her? And even Sasha Cohen who wanted to win the Olympics came in 4th? I sure don't see why being in 4th writes a skater off, no matter if to get a gold the others have to mess up.
And Scott Hamilton and others may want us to believe Yagudin was conceding the LP to Plushenko (or to Goebel ) but I also THINK Yagudin's LP got 5.9's across the board in technical and 5.9's in the 2nd mark, as well as four 6.'0s. Maybe Plushenko was also thinking about the fall on the short when he doubled the salchow and messed the opening combination? LOL
Seems like Yagudin is in very good company in winning the triple crown. Only grand masters of figure skating have won it as well
In fact, since Curry in 1976, nobody else has won the triple crown. Impressive it took 26 (!!) years for another sater to come and win it, in the case, Yagudin. And he came to win the quadruple crown, when he had the chance. You see, that is where the WOW factor lies. After 26 years, to be able to win the 4 major international competitions in a time where the skating season is so long, the quad is mandatory, skaters are plagued by injuries.. You have to be consistent, healthy, very good and most of all, win whenit counts the most. Is it really so hard to get the WOW factor here? LOL IMO, it's already a VERY impressive feat!! If it was so easy Kulik would have done it too LOL
polo player said:
Plushenko was injured, that's why he didn't go to Worlds. What I'm not sure is why it's relevant that Yagudin announced his decision of going to Worlds after Plushenko withdrew. After all, he had just beaten him convincingly at the Olympics LOL Given his competitive nature, I could see him waiting for another showdown
Would be interesting to see what could Plushenko do, considering how well prepared Yagudin was at the time, though. Breaking 6.0 records in SP, another nearly flawless LP performance... And I may have a very short memory, but I THINK Sarah Hughes was 4th after the SP and I THINK she's is the current Olympic Champion, isn't she? LOL And the absolute favorites Michelle Kwan and Irina Slutskaya came after her? And even Sasha Cohen who wanted to win the Olympics came in 4th? I sure don't see why being in 4th writes a skater off, no matter if to get a gold the others have to mess up.
And Scott Hamilton and others may want us to believe Yagudin was conceding the LP to Plushenko (or to Goebel
) but I also THINK Yagudin's LP got 5.9's across the board in technical and 5.9's in the 2nd mark, as well as four 6.'0s. Maybe Plushenko was also thinking about the fall on the short when he doubled the salchow and messed the opening combination? LOL
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Thank you for the page number reference, Jaana. I flipped quickly through the magazine, but didn't seem able to put anything I was reading with what you had written:
Yes, I agree that Alexei did play it safe to a degree, he would have been a fool not to. The difference between the way I read the magazine's comments and the way you read them probably lies in both the perception of the skate and perhaps the meaning/translation the words are given.
Saying that the 6.0 scores for presentation were generous is, to my way of thinking, not the same as saying they were a gift. A gift is something that is given without the receiver doing anything to earn it; generosity is more the graciousness of adding a slight bit more to show appreciation, like a little extra whipped cream on an ice cream sundae to a polite customer.
I took the comment that this was a conservative performance to mean that Alexei was attempting to insure that everything was done correctly rather than taking unreasonable risks. Like making sure all the "t's" are crossed and the "i's" are dotted. To be hesitant implies an uncertainty or lack of readiness that I think was not the case here.
I don't mean to make a huge deal about this or want to be seen as "picking nits," but when communication is reduced from "face to face" to only the written word, the words that are chosen take on that much more meaning.
The reality is that I'm just home sick from work today with too much time on my hands to read, think and post. Sorry if I'm just babbling.
Nan
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You see, that is where the WOW factor lies. After 26 years, to be able to win the 4 major international competitions in a time where the skating season is so long, the quad is mandatory, skaters are plagued by injuries.. You have to be consistent, healthy, very good and most of all, win whenit counts the most. Is it really so hard to get the WOW factor here? LOL IMO, it's already a VERY impressive feat!! If it was so easy Kulik would have done it too LOL >
One has to remember also that during many, many years American skaters (or actually skaters outside Europe) have not been able to participate in Europeans (and 4CC has not been there so long).. That has prevented them from winning a triple crown, it has been possible only for European skaters. Also the 4CC now, is it a competition where the real top skaters are going?
LOL, I would say that if to win a Quadruple Crown was easy, LOTS of other skaters might have done it too... Ilia as an inconsistent skater would have found it difficult, I think. You see, I have never been a blinded fan of ANY skater or unable to see or to admit that there might be some faults or weaknesses and not total perfectness in everything in my favourite skaters, nor lost my good eysight hmmm..., LOL. Anyway, the Olympic season was good for Ilía as out of his 5 competitions, he won 4 (NHK, Russian Nationals, GPF and Olympics). Only in Skate Canada he was second.
I was not denying at all that a Quadruple crown is impressive, on the contrary! And I have never had the opinion that Yagudin did not deserve to win at the Olympics. It is just that in my opinion he won, but it was not such a *really* outstanding performance as it is being hyped. If he had skated the way he did at Worlds afterwards, I might have a different opinion.
Of course skating fans could speculate what would have happened if Plushenko had not been injured in the Olympic season. Besides I never could undestand what was the hassle with his freeskate programme... It was changed in the middle of the season, and that is not so good, especially in an Olympic season! I think there existed some chaos or scare in the Mishin camp.
And as you brought Ilia´s name here, I would like to add that Ilia was not a strong consistent competitor, but during his eligible career he managed to win all those competitions which he absolutely needed to win... Ilia was one of the top skaters all the time (Sport Illustrated predicted that he will win the Olympics), but as mentioned, not a consistent jumper. Now during his pro career one has seen that his talents lay elsewhere than in consistent jumping. Lately though he has been rather consistent in his competitions, and his successful jumping is always pleasing to the eye, in my opinion and in that of many skating fans.
Marjaana
You see, that is where the WOW factor lies. After 26 years, to be able to win the 4 major international competitions in a time where the skating season is so long, the quad is mandatory, skaters are plagued by injuries.. You have to be consistent, healthy, very good and most of all, win whenit counts the most. Is it really so hard to get the WOW factor here? LOL IMO, it's already a VERY impressive feat!! If it was so easy Kulik would have done it too LOL >
One has to remember also that during many, many years American skaters (or actually skaters outside Europe) have not been able to participate in Europeans (and 4CC has not been there so long).. That has prevented them from winning a triple crown, it has been possible only for European skaters. Also the 4CC now, is it a competition where the real top skaters are going?
LOL, I would say that if to win a Quadruple Crown was easy, LOTS of other skaters might have done it too... Ilia as an inconsistent skater would have found it difficult, I think. You see, I have never been a blinded fan of ANY skater or unable to see or to admit that there might be some faults or weaknesses and not total perfectness in everything in my favourite skaters, nor lost my good eysight hmmm..., LOL. Anyway, the Olympic season was good for Ilía as out of his 5 competitions, he won 4 (NHK, Russian Nationals, GPF and Olympics). Only in Skate Canada he was second.
I was not denying at all that a Quadruple crown is impressive, on the contrary! And I have never had the opinion that Yagudin did not deserve to win at the Olympics. It is just that in my opinion he won, but it was not such a *really* outstanding performance as it is being hyped. If he had skated the way he did at Worlds afterwards, I might have a different opinion.
Of course skating fans could speculate what would have happened if Plushenko had not been injured in the Olympic season. Besides I never could undestand what was the hassle with his freeskate programme... It was changed in the middle of the season, and that is not so good, especially in an Olympic season! I think there existed some chaos or scare in the Mishin camp.
And as you brought Ilia´s name here, I would like to add that Ilia was not a strong consistent competitor, but during his eligible career he managed to win all those competitions which he absolutely needed to win... Ilia was one of the top skaters all the time (Sport Illustrated predicted that he will win the Olympics), but as mentioned, not a consistent jumper. Now during his pro career one has seen that his talents lay elsewhere than in consistent jumping. Lately though he has been rather consistent in his competitions, and his successful jumping is always pleasing to the eye, in my opinion and in that of many skating fans.
Marjaana
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Jaana said:
This is interesting, I never knew this before. I lost track of figure skating for a variety of reasons between the 94 and 98 Olympics, so I wasn't aware of Ilia's history. I always heard people speak very highly of his triple axel, so I just assumed his all jumps were much the same. The one time I was fortunate enough to see him skate live for a television show and re-takes were done, he did several jumps over and over again until he was satisfied with them even though the group I was with couldn't figure out what he was unhappy with. Thank you for the insight.
I do think his greatest talent is in his creativity and making everyhting he does look so effortless.
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Jaana said:
I am certainly very glad to hear that! LOL I don't think I am alone here when I say that all skaters have weaknesses and perfection is hard to achieve, to say the least LOL It's really so annoying when you find those biased obsessive posters that we can already predict what they are going to say. Not only those who can't see the faults in their favorite skaters but as well as those who try to distort what is good in their less than favorite skaters LOL Tremendous bias is such a waste. But alas that's the human nature and there's not much we can do except try not to be mean spirited in our comments
Yes, it's rather sad that Ilia Kulik had so much potential but was so inconsistent and never even managed to win a single World championship. I remember Slutskaya saying she could win Olympics but she'd always wanted to be a World champion. I have no doubt that Kulik is very happy with his Olympic gold and he deserved it.
Going back on topic now... the article mentions Yagudin likes Coffe Frapuccino? Is that supposed to be capuccino? LOL Never heard about "frapuccino" before. (yes, I did read the article after staring at the pics for quite a bit
)> Tremendous bias is such a waste. >
Yes, I agree with that. Also I would though like to add that it works both ways, as a tremendeous bias FOR some favourites is also a waste - or at least clouding one´s credibility so to speak -, in my opinion.
>Yes, it's rather sad that Ilia Kulik had so much potential but was so inconsistent and never even managed to win a single World championship. >
Yes, that was unfortunate that he did not win a gold in Worlds, but considering his not that long eligible career he has a nice collection of medals and as a crown the Olympic Gold...
Ilia was very close to win the Worlds in 1996, as he got a silver medal. Maybe I could loan a quote from another skater, LOL: "he did not lose a gold, he won a silver"... In my personal opinion it is though better to win an Olympic Gold than one gold medal in Worlds instead. Besides Ilia was no unknown skater who just suddenly won the Olympic gold, he was one of the top skaters, and it was predicted that he is the winner by Sports Illustrated magazine. During that time the skaters were more even than after the 1997-1998 season. After that it was Yagudin and Plushenko and no other top so to speak.
> I remember Slutskaya saying she could win Olympics but she'd always wanted to be a World champion. I have no doubt that Kulik is very happy with his Olympic gold and he deserved it. >
Yes, Ilia was the winner and he got great scores about which he and his fans can feel very proud of, especially considering that he was the first to skate in the final group. Lots of 5,9´s in presentation. Besides his Olympic win he had a great season, as he already in Grand Prix Finals did beat the same top guys he was competing against in the Olympics.
I have to say that I wonder about that Slutskaya´s statement or maybe I missunderstand what she is actually meaning? An Olympic gold medal is an Olympic gold medal and at least for figure skaters that is an ultimate goal, the highest medal one can win. Besides, if she could win the Olympics, why didn´t she do it in 1998 or 2002? My guess is that it is the Olympics where the most pressure is on, much more than in a competition which is being held every year.
To get back to Yagudin, somebody already wondered when this article had been written, I believe? Anyway, it starts with: "Although only 23 years old, Alexei Yagudin dominates figure skating as the reigning Olympic Champion, four-time World Champion, three-time European Champion and the only skater to ever obtain the Triple Crown-an unprecedented win of all major titles in a single season."
Can it be said that Yagudin dominates figure skating? He has been out of eligible skating for two seasons now. I would say that Plushenko is the one who has been dominating in last seasons and would not be surprised if he will win the Worlds this season also (unless his injury prevents his participating).
> Going back on topic now... the article mentions Yagudin likes Coffe Frapuccino? Is that supposed to be capuccino? LOL Never heard about "frapuccino" before. >
One can get Frapuccino for example at Starbucks.
Marjaana
Yes, I agree with that. Also I would though like to add that it works both ways, as a tremendeous bias FOR some favourites is also a waste - or at least clouding one´s credibility so to speak -, in my opinion.
>Yes, it's rather sad that Ilia Kulik had so much potential but was so inconsistent and never even managed to win a single World championship. >
Yes, that was unfortunate that he did not win a gold in Worlds, but considering his not that long eligible career he has a nice collection of medals and as a crown the Olympic Gold...
Ilia was very close to win the Worlds in 1996, as he got a silver medal. Maybe I could loan a quote from another skater, LOL: "he did not lose a gold, he won a silver"... In my personal opinion it is though better to win an Olympic Gold than one gold medal in Worlds instead. Besides Ilia was no unknown skater who just suddenly won the Olympic gold, he was one of the top skaters, and it was predicted that he is the winner by Sports Illustrated magazine. During that time the skaters were more even than after the 1997-1998 season. After that it was Yagudin and Plushenko and no other top so to speak.
> I remember Slutskaya saying she could win Olympics but she'd always wanted to be a World champion. I have no doubt that Kulik is very happy with his Olympic gold and he deserved it. >
Yes, Ilia was the winner and he got great scores about which he and his fans can feel very proud of, especially considering that he was the first to skate in the final group. Lots of 5,9´s in presentation. Besides his Olympic win he had a great season, as he already in Grand Prix Finals did beat the same top guys he was competing against in the Olympics.
I have to say that I wonder about that Slutskaya´s statement or maybe I missunderstand what she is actually meaning? An Olympic gold medal is an Olympic gold medal and at least for figure skaters that is an ultimate goal, the highest medal one can win. Besides, if she could win the Olympics, why didn´t she do it in 1998 or 2002? My guess is that it is the Olympics where the most pressure is on, much more than in a competition which is being held every year.
To get back to Yagudin, somebody already wondered when this article had been written, I believe? Anyway, it starts with: "Although only 23 years old, Alexei Yagudin dominates figure skating as the reigning Olympic Champion, four-time World Champion, three-time European Champion and the only skater to ever obtain the Triple Crown-an unprecedented win of all major titles in a single season."
Can it be said that Yagudin dominates figure skating? He has been out of eligible skating for two seasons now. I would say that Plushenko is the one who has been dominating in last seasons and would not be surprised if he will win the Worlds this season also (unless his injury prevents his participating).
> Going back on topic now... the article mentions Yagudin likes Coffe Frapuccino? Is that supposed to be capuccino? LOL Never heard about "frapuccino" before. >
One can get Frapuccino for example at Starbucks.
Marjaana
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About Yags and Worlds 2002:
In several interviews, he mentioned he wanted to get his title back (his choice of words, not mine) but waited for TT to make up her mind, because she was very exhausted and unwell after SLC and he didn't want to go to Nagano without her.
Plushenko's withdrawal certainly made things easier for him in the competition (though in the SP, all the final six were clean) - but if it was the reason for Yags to participate, we'll never know. Pure speculation .....
Back to the topic: great pics, thanks!
In several interviews, he mentioned he wanted to get his title back (his choice of words, not mine) but waited for TT to make up her mind, because she was very exhausted and unwell after SLC and he didn't want to go to Nagano without her.
Plushenko's withdrawal certainly made things easier for him in the competition (though in the SP, all the final six were clean) - but if it was the reason for Yags to participate, we'll never know. Pure speculation .....
Back to the topic: great pics, thanks!
With Plushy injured the russian fed had to send Yags. They needed three spots for next worlds. As for Yags Olympic Gold medal,he deserves it. It was his time just like is Evgeny's time now. Whether some like his style or not he is without a doubt the best skater in the world. Time to deal with that reality too.
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Wow! Who the HECK is posting under YOUR name? Beware!
Anke
PS: Mathman, I guess it's okay I replaced your **** with the word "hell"?! Sorry for using the f***-word, sometimes me rude European seems to forget we're on an US-American board here.
Just hope certain people'll feel and sleep better now.
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C'mon! Count the posts! View the views! Compare the manners! This one here doesn't even come close to an average Sasha-Cohen-thread!serenity said:
Let's talk about her edges! 
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Yes, he is.
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Finally some wise words! What a nice way to end this thread!TRAxel said:Mother of GOD, he is a beautiful!
My reaction was, "He looks like a Greek god!" But no way can I do better than TRAxel's comment. That is really something when people are awe-struck with superlatives, and I am awe-struck!
In case this is the end of the thread, I don't want to wreck it, so once again here is the superlative of superlatives:
By TRAxel:
"Mother of GOD, he is beautiful!"
In case this is the end of the thread, I don't want to wreck it, so once again here is the superlative of superlatives:
By TRAxel:
"
Mother of GOD, he is beautiful!"
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