Any Sasha updates?
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Rachael's spirals are decent, I don't see what's so funny.
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No, but I don't understand. But I am glad that Sasha will be at Nationals and compete for spot on the Olympic team. And if she has the goods, she will represent this country. I do understand, however, how truly glad I am that fans and their feelings don't come into play when picking teams. Is this a sport or school yard kick ball?
But then, I'm over 30 and therefore "blah" as well... but I have more shoes than I did at 20, so that's something...
Probably Sasha should teach Rachael how to do a spiral. I think it would probably kill Rachael also.
:chorus::chorus:
YAY!
The Snark Goddess is Back!!! And not a moment too soon...
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Sasha will be selected if she doesn't make top two.
NBC needs her for the ratings, and NBC is as strong as USFS.
Reputation does count.
NBC needs her for the ratings, and NBC is as strong as USFS.
Reputation does count.
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There's no way the USFSA will allow that to happen.
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True, but they can make her place top 2 regardless of how she skates instead. I see this happening before they bump someone else to send her, the judges have a lot of wiggle room with the PCS scores.
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Most can relax. This news will send RD and Chuck into overdrive.
And some others-they know who they are.
:agree:If Sasha splats repeatedly and finishes top two over a top lady's clean skate, that would create tremendous controversy, especially if Sasha went on to bomb in Vancouver with the other US lady placing way above her.
IMO the ISU judges will not receive Sasha anywhere near as eagerly as USFS judges might.
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You sure about no one being upset if Sasha shows and competes? :sheesh:
Oh I think there are at least a few haters on this board who would be VERY upset if Sasha shows. They haven't been bashing her in thread after thread because they'll be HAPPY to see her at Nationals imo.
See below.
'Nuff said.
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Why would they do that? If the USFSA sends a Sahsa that doesn't deserve to go don't you think that is going to create an abolsute firestorm of negative publicity? Skating federations think about the present and future. There is no point living in the past.
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You know... I just saw these two posts and I'm sorry but this is just ridiculous... who are we, as fans, to make these sweeping comments that go beyond "I'm not a fan" into downright disrespect? I mean, are you seriously serious?
If the US Ladies want to keep her from Vancouver, outskate her. Its very simple. And the same is true for Alissa... last year, she won because her short program was better and that score balanced out her FS. Let it go already.
I don't remember bad judging last year, I remember craptastic skating from young ladies with everything to gain by winning. Let us hope they learned from the past, if not.... stay at home.
(And now we can read all about how the corrupt, back room deal makers are plotting as we speak to gift her a spot... just to upset the fans... )
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I am so happy they got back together. They are like that couple you keep rooting for, like Mike and Susan on Desperate Housewives.
Sasha made NBC's year when she announced her comeback. Every figure skating olympic promo features her...why isn't Evan or Meryl and Charlie on the Today show? They are our strongest medal hopes.
Of course NBC (and USFSA) want Sasha on the Olympic team, I don't see her being placed there over age-eligible girls with international experience. If a up-and-comer makes the top two, like Diggs or even Gao I could see Sasha taking her place, but more likely the tech callers and judges will give Sasha every benefit of the doubt to let her make the team "naturally." If Sasha still fails to make the team...well there is only so much judges can get away with after all.
Agreed.
Yes, I am a Czisny fan.. so this may sound biased but for the past year it's been about Czisny's "controversial" win....but with sometimes little mention of some of the ladies who failed to perform at their best during both portions of the competition, where they could have had the chance to top Czisny and win. Her score of 65+ in the SP last year was not an impossible score to beat...in my opinion, its just that no one skated good enough (other than Czisny) to deserve that score.
Just my 2¢
I really wouldn't be surprised if Sasha pulls an Alissa and skates lights out in the SP then does just enough to hold onto 1st after the LP. We all know Sasha is a strong SP skater and can be counted on for a mistake or two in the LP. Her competitors know this as well. IMO, Rachael can beat Sasha but she will need to go clean in both portions, and I don't think she's managed to perform as well in the SP as she is capable of (upper level non-jump elements, a 3/3, difficult transitions). If Rachael can stay close after the SP, she certainly could steal the Gold if she performs as she did at SA, especially if the last spin counts. That performance was good for a 120+ internationally, so add National inflation and she could be high 120-130's. Gotta wonder if the pressure will finally get to her or if she'll be Steady Eddie as usual.
All the Ladies know what Sasha is capable of and if they don't bring their "A" game, especially for the SP, then they can only blame themselves. I expect Sasha, Alissa and Mirai to be the top 3 after the SP. Anything goes for the LP!
That said, the pressure is going to be HUGE for all the competitors. We all know Sasha has let nerves overtake her at times and loses focus. Even without a major front runner, I wonder how much that will affect Sasha, given expectations, the whole comeback build up, no competing in 3 years...or if the SOI experience has helped to do her job regardless of the situation.
I agree the biggest issue is there is only 2 spots! If there were 3, I'd be more welcoming of Sasha's return (I'm pretty whatever on that, great if she comes back, oh, well if she doesn't). Or if Sasha had returned last season but they still only had 2 spots. I don't buy into the whole Sasha is "stealing" a spot from some deserving athlete, but at the same time, it wasn't too long ago she was saying she wished Michelle would retire so others had a chance, and she felt Michelle didn't deserve the bye to Oly '06. Apples and oranges maybe, but....
With or without Sasha, Nationals is going to be SO exciting!!!
All the Ladies know what Sasha is capable of and if they don't bring their "A" game, especially for the SP, then they can only blame themselves. I expect Sasha, Alissa and Mirai to be the top 3 after the SP. Anything goes for the LP!
That said, the pressure is going to be HUGE for all the competitors. We all know Sasha has let nerves overtake her at times and loses focus. Even without a major front runner, I wonder how much that will affect Sasha, given expectations, the whole comeback build up, no competing in 3 years...or if the SOI experience has helped to do her job regardless of the situation.
I agree the biggest issue is there is only 2 spots! If there were 3, I'd be more welcoming of Sasha's return (I'm pretty whatever on that, great if she comes back, oh, well if she doesn't). Or if Sasha had returned last season but they still only had 2 spots. I don't buy into the whole Sasha is "stealing" a spot from some deserving athlete, but at the same time, it wasn't too long ago she was saying she wished Michelle would retire so others had a chance, and she felt Michelle didn't deserve the bye to Oly '06. Apples and oranges maybe, but....
With or without Sasha, Nationals is going to be SO exciting!!!
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No, i'm not seriously serious. I'm just frustrated that 1.) the US doesn't have 3 spots for the ladies this year and 2.) that a skater who hasn't competed in 4 years is allowed to waltz in and go to the Olympics if she does well enough at one competition, IMO it kind of undermines the hard work skaters like Rachael, Alissa, Mirai, Caroline, etc have put in these past 4 years and especially this season.
About judging last year at nats and at various competitions this year, it's not so much that the winners won, but more that the judging does not seem to be consistent across all skaters. If jumps are really not very important anymore, then I wonder why the ladies even do them. What's the point of doing 6 or 7 triples if someone with 3 is going to beat you anyways? That's all i'm saying. I feel so bad for Akiko, it seems like whatever she does, it's not enough. The same goes for Rachael at nats...
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Well, technically you ARE seriously serious... because if you weren't seriously serious, you'd reply: "I was just joking!"
Now, I do understand your frustation... I HATE HATE HATE that 3 triples can do anything but get a "well, bless her heart...she tried" but at the same time its very easy for the US Ladies to bump Sasha - outskate her.
Here's the thing - the rules give Sasha the ability to COMPETE at Nationals - not waltz onto the Olympic team. She needs to get it done on the ice. But she's not stealing a spot. She has an easy bye to Nationals. That's all.
As for Akiko, this is the first season I've been aware of her, but YAY! She gets a shot at the Olympics. What about Yukari? Wouldn't your logic apply to her? Doesn't her disappointment count as much as whoever Sasha might beat? This is a sport and sometimes the people who "deserve" something, don't always get it... All athletes can do is win or go home. Fans wuzrobbing doesn't change that. And I should know; I'm a Kwan fan...
But as part of my on-going efforts to be totally honest, I must admit that I continue to be amused at the irony of Sasha's situation, given her previous comments regarding Kwan's 06 bye and her continued dominance over US skating and limelight stealing...
Oh well. May the best skaters win... GO TEAM USA!
You know, I've kinda thought about this and Nats will tell the story. Cohen hasn't competed in 4 years and her first competition is what's practically the Oly trials. Yikes. Major pressure on her- but perhaps it would lift some of the burden off of the other skaters and then they can skate their best and potentially beat her. My concern is that they'll inflate Cohen's scores enough for her to hang on and eke her way onto the team. If she wins clearly by outskating the others, I'll accept it, but if something happens like Czisny last year (or worse), you bet there will be questions asked by many, including myself. She needs to EARN that spot, not have it given to her. THAT's the whole point. If USFS treated everyone fairly I could get more excited about her appearance all but we all know they don't.
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^^ nice post, well said :agree: . I have a bit of a temper and tend to get heated about these kinds of things. And I do feel bad for Yukari, but I like Akiko better and with her whole anorexia battle I feel her story and success are really compelling.
The whole Sasha situation I can understand, I just imagine the other ladies are annoyed about it. I guess that's just the name of the game though.
As much as I don't agree with it, PCS is half of the total score, so I guess the winning/medaling/beating people with more jumps with 3 triples is technically justified. Sometimes it seems rediculous, but I have only seen a few of these skaters live so I imagine some must be stunning live even if they don't land lots of jumps.
The whole Sasha situation I can understand, I just imagine the other ladies are annoyed about it. I guess that's just the name of the game though.
As much as I don't agree with it, PCS is half of the total score, so I guess the winning/medaling/beating people with more jumps with 3 triples is technically justified. Sometimes it seems rediculous, but I have only seen a few of these skaters live so I imagine some must be stunning live even if they don't land lots of jumps.
My oh my, where have all the skaters gone? The old reliable Sasha from the last Olympics had to come back and bring the spark back in figure skating. Remember the last Olympics!!! There was "gimmie Kimmie", There was that Hughes girl and so and so---where are they now and the old reliable Sasha is "still standin" (figurativly speaking). The nay-sayers are going to have to accept the fact that Sasha is your only hope!!!! Oh how I long for the days of yore when Michelle and Sasha were competing on the same ice--That was rivally!!!! Now we are going to have to accept the fact that we have at least one of them skating in this Olympics.
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I think if it were anybody BUT Czisny, I might be onboard with the whole "Nationals is a sham" argument - but it doesn't feel right. Since when has Alissa been the poster child for the USFSA? If they were going to hold up anybody, I doubt it'd be her. I also can't think of a competition in the recent past where the National Champion didn't win fairly... If someone has an example, I'd love to know when it happened because I am at a loss...
Its all good... I've been banned for less. And regardless of what the fans of CoP say over and over and over again... at some point the ISU will have to fix this dumbing down of skating or they are going to loose fans or even worse - not gain new ones. Or are we all supposed to become Ice Dancing fans?
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