Artistic Pet Peeves

[hockeyfan228]

Tap shoes? In the Fate of Carmen?

I was commenting on Mathman's description of Kwan doing high kicks like in a chorus line.

I don't think Kwan was trying to look like a ballerina, boureeing like Bauil and any other number of skaters, or trying to do echappes on toe picks like Asada did this year. That's why I wouldn't include it in my artistic pet peeves.

 

[Wolfgang]

SusanBeth - What I meant was that we are being told what to think and how to feel about a skater before she actually takes to the ice.
So if Dick says she's 'lyrical' , and what she actually ends up doing on the ice looks more like a Japanese chef chopping Wasabi with her feet, she's still 'lyrical' because Dick said so.

If Dick says she has great jumps, yet she proceeds to fall or two-foot every single one of them, she'll still be known as a great jumper, because Dick said so.

If Dick says she has 'great edges', but her actual performance sounds like a hockey game, well, you get the idea.......
I guess we'll just agree to disagree.....

 

[SeaniBu]

SusanBeth - What I meant was that we are being told what to think and how to feel about a skater before she actually takes to the ice.
So if Dick says she's 'lyrical' ,...

I thought he always said "Musical." And I like Dicks comments but not always his influence or opinion. That's just mine.

 

[passion]

An artistic pet peeve is a choreographer's work that has been designed to suit the choreographer, but not the skater. I recall see a male skater perform to something Ilia Kulik designed. It was great choreography, but it looked like something Ilia would have skated to. Somehow, it looked "put on" on the skater rather than "draw out" from the skater. To me, a brilliant choreographer is one that can bring out the natural movement in a skater rather than impose their own style.

Another artistic pet peeve is too many flailing arms and with no intent. Irina Slutskia is a perfect example of that.

BTW, I really like David Wilson. I think he did a marvelous job in bringing out the natural movement in Cynthia Phaneuf and working with her particular style.

Also, I like Dick Button. I think the Canadian commentator (TRacy Wilson?) is too jump focussed. She does not emphasize the line, edges, spin positions, and artistic side of skating when she comments. It bugs the hell out of me because then the average viewer thinks its all about the jumps.

 

[Crizzy]

Pet peeve, I don't think we need a giant ship slapped across Brian Joubert's back to know it's about SHIPS! Nor do we need 007 on his back to guess that the music is James Bond, which happens to be very familiar sound to many anyway or the overuse of pointing his index finger and clicking his thumb. Even
Plushy is guilty of this. Assimilated shotguns in The Godfather program was once more than enough.

Posing in the middle of the ice at dead stop while twirling their arms around and twisting their wrist. WTF! It doesn't even make sense nor does it go with the storytelling.

Any gynecological (sp?) move by the ice dancers. Yeah they really think that the crotch-on-my-faceTM is artistry.

 

[SeaniBu]

Nor do we need 007 on his back to guess that the music is James Bond, which happens to be very familiar sound to many anyway or the overuse of pointing his index finger and clicking his thumb. Even
Plushy is guilty of this. Assimilated shotguns in The Godfather program was once more than enough.

Posing in the middle of the ice at dead stop while twirling their arms around and twisting their wrist. WTF! It doesn't even make sense nor does it go with the storytelling.

Oh my, seriously that is right on!!!!!!

way to be real! Please tell me I can worship you!!!!, well accept for the last commit omitted in the quote. That just sounds like someone is uncomfortable.

 

[antmanb]

An artistic pet peeve is a choreographer's work that has been designed to suit the choreographer, but not the skater. I recall see a male skater perform to something Ilia Kulik designed. It was great choreography, but it looked like something Ilia would have skated to. Somehow, it looked "put on" on the skater rather than "draw out" from the skater. To me, a brilliant choreographer is one that can bring out the natural movement in a skater rather than impose their own style.

Yoshie Onda skating to Karen Cadavy choreography this season is another prime example of this. Yoshie is nothing like Karen in terms of style and i don't understand why people are tryint o "pretty pretty" her skating when she needs to skate to strong powerful music and show her stregths off, not put ribbons in her hair and pretend she's ballerina!

Ant

 

[Mathman]

Did you mean Josee Chouinard, as Onda's choreographer? (Point still well taken.)

 

[antmanb]

Did you mean Josee Chouinard, as Onda's choreographer? (Point still well taken.)

Oops - yes i did!!

Ant