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Ban on Carolina Kostner Over

JayW said:
One question here:

Did she have the spousal privilege with her ex? It is odd, couples can't testify again each other in criminal cases.
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Its my understanding of the case- this is not a criminal proceeding so any spousal protection right doesn't apply
 
I've been deliberately avoiding posting in this thread, but I just noticed a story that Stefania Berton shared on Facebook, and thought you might like to read.

http://www.fisg.it/content/Un-obiettivo-far-tornare-il-sorriso-a-Carolina!/60059

It's in Italian, so you'll need to use a translator on it. But the gist of it is that the Italian Federation are fully behind Carolina, and they think that the proposed ban is "excessive and inappropriate".

So, it is good to hear that the Federation is backing her.


Since I am here, I suppose I have to express my own opinions. Yes, Carolina did wrong by not reporting Alex. But, to give her a harsher punishment than him is stupid. If anything, this will encourage people to dope themselves, and cynically report others.

Carolina did not dope herself - she has passed all her drugs tests. So, why on earth are they talking of giving her a ban or possibly stripping her of results?

For me, a more appropriate punishment would be to give Carolina a massive fine for not reporting Alex's doping. Say, the equivalent to what she had earned in prizemoney during her relationship with Alex.

That way, WADA would still be punishing her, but in a way that fitted the wrong-doing (as well as in a way that would put a whole lot of cash in their bank account!). And hence there would be no controversy over her being punished as if she had committed the crime herself.

CaroLiza_fan
 
CaroLiza_fan said:
So, it is good to hear that the Federation is backing her.
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I agree.

For me, a more appropriate punishment would be to give Carolina a massive fine for not reporting Alex's doping. Say, the equivalent to what she had earned in prizemoney during her relationship with Alex.
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Given that they were together for about five years which corresponded to a large portion of her best years competitively, I think that would be an excessive punishment. Especially since (as you note) she competed clean and her results were all legit.

I mean, do the math - a world title, European titles, world medals, European medals, as well as GP wins and medals add up to a lot of money, and it's money she has earned. I don't think bankrupting her is the way to go.
 
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i think punishment is usually done so the athlete wont be able to join the next olympics. Lets say this happened in 2016, the prosecutors will only ask for 2 years but since olympics is in 4 years they are pushing for a 4 year ban.
 
Buttercup said:
I agree.


Given that they were together for about five years which corresponded to a large portion of her best years competitively, I think that would be an excessive punishment. Especially since (as you note) she competed clean and her results were all legit.

I mean, do the math - a world title, European titles, world medals, European medals, as well as GP wins and medals add up to a lot of money, and it's money she has earned. I don't think bankrupting her is the way to go.
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Wow! I didn't realise they were together that long! :eek:

Thank you for pointing that out.

Right, in that case, how about 2 season's worth of prizemoney?

CaroLiza_fan
 
JayW said:
One question here:

Did she have the spousal privilege with her ex? It is odd, couples can't testify again each other in criminal cases.
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They can, they just don't have to. However, to my knowledge, this is unique to the USA. In the USA you have to be MARRIED to get it. It doesn't matter if you are bf/gf or even if you've been together 60 years.
 
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This is the rare occurrence in the last ten years where American press has covered figure skating, even in a tiny part, outside of the Olympic news reporting cycle. Too bad it's on something like this. :(
 
anyanka said:
This is the rare occurrence in the last ten years where American press has covered figure skating, even in a tiny part, outside of the Olympic news reporting cycle. Too bad it's on something like this. :(
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Sadly she doesn't deserve this. Seriously she didn't dope.
 
anyanka said:
This is the rare occurrence in the last ten years where American press has covered figure skating, even in a tiny part, outside of the Olympic news reporting cycle. Too bad it's on something like this. :(
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Agreed...but scandal sells! :scowl:

It's good to know that her fed is backing Carolina.
 
I would be curious to know the ins and outs of the legal situation. This is the IOC's doping people who want to levy these penalties, right? Has the ISU weighed in? I suppose the ISU automatically has to go along with whatever the IOC says? If the IOC says Carolina can't compete on the Grand Prix next year, can the ISU say, yes she can -- the Grand Prix of figure skating has nothing to do with the Olympics and is outside the jurisdiction of the IOC.

If the IOC bans Carolina from competing for four years, thus ending her career, then proposes to fine her, why would she agree to pay a fine at all?
 
Mathman said:
I would be curious to know the ins and outs of the legal situation. This is the IOC's doping people who want to levy these penalties, right? Has the ISU weighed in? I suppose the ISU automatically has to go along with whatever the IOC says? If the IOC says Carolina can't compete on the Grand Prix next year, can the ISU say, yes she can -- the Grand Prix of figure skating has nothing to do with the Olympics and is outside the jurisdiction of the IOC.

If the IOC bans Carolina from competing for four years, thus ending her career, then proposes to fine her, why would she agree to pay a fine at all?
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The Italian National Olympic Committee is going after Kostner, AFAIK. (CONI = Comitato Olimpico Nazionale Italiano.)
Not the IOC.
Prosecutor's Office refers Carolina Kostner, demands 4 years and 3 months disqualification
http://www.coni.it/en/news/primo-pi...ds-4-years-and-3-months-disqualification.html (Nov 28)​
 
StitchMonkey said:
So that she can do shows, coach, etc after the ban ends.
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Can't a show hire whoever they want? Surely the Italian Olympic Committee cannot dictate to sponsors and promoters of entertainments? Even Tonya Harding was in a profession competition after she was banned for life by the USFSA. (She got second -- Surya Bonaly won).

What if I made a deal with Carolina to give my kid skating lessons. Would that mean that my child could never compete in a ISU event?
 
Mathman said:
Can't a show hire whoever they want? Surely the Italian Olympic Committee cannot dictate to sponsors and promoters of entertainments? Even Tonya Harding was in a profession competition after she was banned for life by the USFSA. (She got second -- Surya Bonaly won).

What if I made a deal with Carolina to give my kid skating lessons. Would that mean that my child could never compete in a ISU event?
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If it is an ISU "sanctioned" event they have to play by ISU rules. So, honoring any bans, etcs.

She could do non-ISU shows, but there are not many of them. Most skaters are in the good graces of the ISU still. So if the ISU wants to tell them "no you can't do that event" the event is likely not going to have many skaters to invite.

As for coaching. Well pretty sure she would not be able to act as an official coach for your child at ISU events. I don't know if or how they would say no lessons/private lessons. It may be that a rink can not be ISU authorized/friendly/official/whatever if they let a banned member get and use ice time in a professional manner.

There could be language buried in there that paying for services from a banned member is a banned activity. It would not surprise me in the least.
 
I believe the IOC does not have any authority outside of Olympic events. If they took the CONI recommendation and ban Caroline, and if IOC follows suit, she should still be able to pursue a non competitive skating career as a professional and as a coach, choreographer or any other functionary in figure skating.

So far there has been a recommended 4 1/4 year ban for Carolina by CONI. Fines, stripping of medals, and skating federation conspiracy are all speculations.
 
TryMeLater said:
From what i have read, doping isn't effective for figure skaters, that's why they don't (have a reason to) do it.
There's a reason, we never heard of East German figure skaters doping...
The only doping case i'm familiar with is that of Yuri Larionov who took some headache medicine and tested positive for steroid.
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I think Klimova and Berenshya may also have been "caught" too but to do with some off the shelf flu medication.
 
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