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Boyang Jin

gizmo said:
I think it seems likely he is not going.....I can't imagine as a serious athlete, he does not want to go....so I don't know.....
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From the current developments, I am also inclined to think Boyang is not going to TCC.....yet. Not this year.

Though I dont think its Boyang who doesnt want to go per se. Unless the reason is one of his parents has taken ill at the hospital.

An athlete of a national team of a fully funded sport cannot cite/demand personal preferences as a reason.If they want freedom to choose they have leave the national team and become independent(self funded).
I read in the China thread that Wang/Wang has been taken out of China national team list just cos the guy refused to change partner. That's how strict China is. How Han Yan was shabbyly treated is another indicator.
 
eaglehelang said:
From the current developments, I am also inclined to think Boyang is not going to TCC.....yet. Not this year.

Though I dont think its Boyang who doesnt want to go per se. Unless the reason is one of his parents has taken ill at the hospital.

An athlete of a national team of a fully funded sport cannot cite/demand personal preferences as a reason.If they want freedom to choose they have leave the national team and become independent(self funded).
I read in the China thread that Wang/Wang has been taken out of China national team list just cos the guy refused to change partner. That's how strict China is. How Han Yan was shabbyly treated is another indicator.
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Yes, with the state system in China, it is very rare for an athlete to say no especially when everything seems to be in place. What do you think of the other rumour /theory that his coaches want / urge him to stay?
 
gizmo said:
Yes, with the state system in China, it is very rare for an athlete to say no especially when everything seems to be in place. What do you think of the other rumour /theory that his coaches want / urge him to stay?
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You mean his long time coach is asking Boyang to stay and Boyang does it out of loyalty to the coach? Possible too since it's been reported before that his coach sacrificed a lot and spends more time with Boyang than their own son.

Though by right Shen Ye or Zhao should have discussed it 1st with Boyang's coach before approaching Orser.

My take is still the politicians, top decision makers messing things up, with the athletes caught in the middle. As usual.
 
I just find blaming fed politics way too easy, it's used as a catch-all every single time something happens that fans don't like. :confused2:
 
saturdaysun said:
I just find blaming fed politics way too easy, it's used as a catch-all every single time something happens that fans don't like. :confused2:
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then please name an example of when politics wasn't the reason something happened that fans didn't like.

The things I can think of:
- pairs switch: politics or at least coaching decision that was not the skaters idea
- Han yan retiring: politics or again coaching decision that was not the skaters idea
- Zijun taken out world's list: politics or whatever unknown reason, certainly not her own idea
- Zijun getting assigned to Li MingZhu after years of her saying that she really disliked training under her - politics

I'm not saying that the fed is not doing some good things, too. But if you have a fed that wants absolute control over their skaters, both the positives and the negatives become their responsibility.

When Sui/Han was assigned to do programs with Lori or xiangning li with David Wilson, nobody doubts that it's the fed's (good) doing, not the skaters themselves arranging and organizing it. I don't understand why some people have such a problem with admitting, that when skaters then get a bad arrangement etc. it's the fed's doing, too.
 
There's a difference between the fed making the decisions (which is just a fact) and saying the fed is making decisions due to politics, or as the other poster said, "top decision makers messing things up, with the athletes caught in the middle."

I don't believe at all that the pairs switches, Han Yan/Zijun retiring, etc. were due to politics. That's just the fed deciding those teams/skaters were no longer worthy of the investment of money and resources of the national team. Which is exactly their right and their responsibility. You really think if those skaters were performing better they would have been fired/reassigned anyway? For some vague "political" reason? That's when it enters conspiracy theory territory, at least without any evidence to back it up.
 
saturdaysun said:
There's a difference between the fed making the decisions (which is just a fact) and saying the fed is making decisions due to politics, or as the other poster said, "top decision makers messing things up, with the athletes caught in the middle."

I don't believe at all that the pairs switches, Han Yan/Zijun retiring, etc. were due to politics. That's just the fed deciding those teams/skaters were no longer worthy of the investment of money and resources of the national team. Which is exactly their right and their responsibility. You really think if those skaters were performing better they would have been fired/reassigned anyway? For some vague "political" reason? That's when it enters conspiracy theory territory, at least without any evidence to back it up.
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I agree with you that blaming the Chinese fed for every single issue is nonsensical hatred. However, how could you suggest that Zijun and Han were not worth investing in? Han Yan and Zijun Li were the leading stars of Chinese figure skating. Zijun is the first Chinese lady after Chen Lu to place in the top 10 at Worlds. Her skill level at 2016 is another level compared to current lady singles in China. However, I believe the notion that Zijun retired and was not 'fired' as you put it. She has been through much mental and physical stress during her competitive years. Whether it stemmed from 'politics' we will never know.
Han Yan is a sensitive topic for me. He was injured and returned to the ice without ever taking time to properly heal. He was promised an outside coaching change, got rejected last minute, couldn't even go back to old coach, still recovering from injury, still had no official coach and still returned from competition.
While I wholeheartedly support Team China and the Chinese fed (to an extent), they do control all changes and workings of national team. I can't find any good reasons for them to split Yu/Jin and reject Han Ryan's coaching change.

Sorry for the off topic. Let's move this to the Team China thread or just calm down until 'official' news of Boyang's coaching info comes out before we argue/ explode about politics of the Chinese fed.
 
Midnightcass said:
I agree with you that blaming the Chinese fed for every single issue is nonsensical hatred. However, how could you suggest that Zijun and Han were not worth investing in? Han Yan and Zijun Li were the leading stars of Chinese figure skating. Zijun is the first Chinese lady after Chen Lu to place in the top 10 at Worlds. Her skill level at 2016 is another level compared to current lady singles in China. However, I believe the notion that Zijun retired and was not 'fired' as you put it. She has been through much mental and physical stress during her competitive years. Whether it stemmed from 'politics' we will never know.
Han Yan is a sensitive topic for me. He was injured and returned to the ice without ever taking time to properly heal. He was promised an outside coaching change, got rejected last minute, couldn't even go back to old coach, still recovering from injury, still had no official coach and still returned from competition.
While I wholeheartedly support Team China and the Chinese fed (to an extent), they do control all changes and workings of national team. I can't find any good reasons for them to split Yu/Jin and reject Han Ryan's coaching change.

Sorry for the off topic. Let's move this to the Team China thread or just calm down until 'official' news of Boyang's coaching info comes out before we argue/ explode about politics of the Chinese fed.
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I think you are missing my point. I actually don't have any personal feelings about the pairs switch or Han Yan or Zijun's situations. But just because as fans we can't understand a decision, doesn't mean there was some ulterior motive or that there was some political reason beyond simply assessing the skater's place on the team. The fed's entire job is to assess these situations and make decisions and they know many, many things we don't. Like I said, fans can disagree with every decision, obviously even skaters themselves disagree at times, but that still doesn't mean there must be some political conspiracy causing the outcome.

In Han Yan's case, it does look like he got caught in the middle of some bureaucracy and a lot of bad timing and unfortunately at the end of it all, perhaps through no fault of his own, they didn't think he was someone they still wanted to invest in -- but I still don't think "the fed" was out to sabotage him maliciously. I'm sad about the Gao/Xie split and the Wang/Wang demotion but I don't think there's a political reason for it.

Of course, caveat is if there is actually any evidence suggesting why certain things happened.

But yes, let's get back to stanning Boyang and move this elsewhere if anyone wants to continue. :agree:
 
saturdaysun said:
I just find blaming fed politics way too easy, it's used as a catch-all every single time something happens that fans don't like. :confused2:
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Because that is what really happens, 95% of the time. The other 5% being the athletes personal reason like a family member having some sort of illness that need long term care.

China wouldnt even tolerate Wang/Wang's refusal to change partner. Or Han Yan's refusal to change to ice dance.
All of which my country's athletes can refuse to do without repercussions to their career.

Yet even they would not give such a flimsy reason like 'I turned it down cos I wanted to be close to my family' like what sime forumers are implying. Lol. Not if the reason to send them is to enhance their skills.

Boyang's personality doesnt strike me as rebellious type, say, like Zijun. He will just go with the flow.
 
saturdaysun said:
That's just the fed deciding those teams/skaters were no longer worthy of the investment of money and resources of the national team. Which is exactly their right and their responsibility.
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but that exactly is politics. who in the fed makes those decisions of who gets more funding, who stays, who switches partners etc.? For pairs it might be only HongBo Zhao but for the other disciplines there are more people involved.

Some support for example Han Yan and wants to continue funding him, some don't - either because they don't care or because they have skaters they want to get funding instead of him. So these people sit together and discuss or are advertising the one who finally makes the decision. It's a power play. And that's politics.

Back to Boyang, he is in Qingdao, Misha is in Qingdao, Wang/Wang are in Qingdao and are currently getting chores from Misha.
 
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