Campbell's judging details & panels published

[mumboman]

The toe loop / salchow definately was not a jump sequence, no rhythm and Sasha did not jump on the falling leaf. Thus the second 3 salchow gets disregarded because she has now done one too many jump elements. This rule will effect pair teams the most. That 3t-3t jump sequence becomes much more difficult under the new rules.

 

[mumboman]

Too make it even more clear it doesn't matter if the salchow in the series was a double or triple. I'd call it triple and let the judges assess the quality, but because the series was called as 2 jumps, the last jump in the program won't score because she would now have too many jump elements.

 

[purplecat]

I was wondering after having watched now why Joannie's 2 axel 3 salchow was counted as a sequence whereas Sasha's 3 toe 3 salchow was not. Did Joannie have a connecting step that Sasha didn't? I don't remember now. I'll have to rewatch it later.

 

[Mathman]

It seemed pretty clear that whatever step Sasha was intending to do between the two jumps, she didn't. It looked like the timing was off on her first landing and she just kind of raised up in the air a little and came back down. We can see at Skate America what she was trying for.

MM

 

[tdnuva]

It seemed pretty clear that whatever step Sasha was intending to do between the two jumps, she didn't. It looked like the timing was off on her first landing and she just kind of raised up in the air a little and came back down. We can see at Skate America what she was trying for.

MM

You can't. She withdrew.

 

[R.D.]

You can't. She withdrew.

So now who's the favorite?

 

[Mathman]

So now who's the favorite?

I'll say the podium will be Solkolova, Sebestyen and Onda.

I'm working on my "Go Cupcake" banner now.

MM

 

[hockeyfan228]

Was any part of the 3 jump combo particularly brilliant though? If the whole thing (without flaws) was a plus GOE jump combo then -1 is probably ok but if it was just ok then with her severe flutz and step/turn out, that to me is a -2 GOE.

Ant

Severe flutz should be a -2 (from starting score) on its own, and with a step-out should have been -3 GOE from the starting score. (But they don't seem to call her flutzes.) The combo can't start at +1 or 0 if two phases are flawed, because the definition of a 0 start value is that all phases are adequate.

 

[R.D.]

What is the list of competitors again? (minus Cohen of course)

Alissa seems to be adopting a habit of stepping in for injured skaters. I wonder how she feels about only having three days notice for a competition.

 

[CzarinaAnya]

Where's the links on USFSA's site for the final results of Ice Dance and Pairs?

 

[Mathman]

It was only mens and ladies at Campbell's.

 

[Doggygirl]

Interesting new observation...

Just for grins, I printed out Sasha's score sheet from Cambell's and Irina's from the Japan Invitational to do a little comparing on their program debuts.

I just realized that Sasha's sequence attempt was actually and EIGHTH jumping pass. Something went whacky there. She must have been improvising (maybe she intended the SEQ with her first 3S?)? At any rate, I think that means even if the SEQ was a valid SEQ (proper in between per the rules) it wouldn't have counted anyway.

DG

 

[Mathman]

Sasha's attempted sequence was her triple toe followed by her first triple Salchow (elements #6 and 7 on the score sheet), the same as in her program at Worlds last year. It is clear from the tape that she flubbed the intervening connecting step, so the tech specialist called it as two separate elements. She got full credit for the two jumps separately. In fact, it came right at the two minute mark, so the second jump (the Salchow) received a 10% bonus, but the first one didn't, even though they were olnly a second or two apart.

If she had done the connecting step properly for a sequence, then it would have been scored at only 70% for both jumps of a sequence.

However, like you say, since it was not scored as a sequence but rather as two separate jumping passes, that used up her quota of seven passes. So when she did her solo triple Salchow at the end, that didn't count and received 0 points as an extra illegal element.

 

[Doggygirl]

Sasha's attempted sequence was her triple toe followed by her first triple Salchow (elements #6 and 7 on the score sheet), the same as in her program at Worlds last year. It is clear from the tape that she flubbed the intervening connecting step, so the tech specialist called it as two separate elements. She got full credit for the two jumps separately. In fact, it came right at the two minute mark, so the second jump (the Salchow) received a 10% bonus, but the first one didn't, even though they were olnly a second or two apart.

If she had done the connecting step properly for a sequence, then it would have been scored at only 70% for both jumps of a sequence.

However, like you say, since it was not scored as a sequence but rather as two separate jumping passes, that used up her quota of seven passes. So when she did her solo triple Salchow at the end, that didn't count and received 0 points as an extra illegal element.

Thanks for clarifying what I did not catch on the initial viewing. I suspect this will be fixed - no 8 jumping passes!! I think you meant 80% for the SEQ not 70%, right? Or have the rules changes on me again!!

DG