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Carolina Kostner

SXTN said:
A step-out on a double lutz. LOL

If she keeps the transitions into Lutz and Flip I doubt she will ever make it a triple or a combo.
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stop hating. this a fan thread, no negativity please.
she is in the off-season and not really training hard at the moment. she is already giving us 2lz out of steps this early in the season in a lovely program
 
msadot said:
Right hints I had. Oly 2020 is not that far, after all.
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Is 2022, not 2020.

Four years are really a lot...

She seem to want to skate for years, at least on exhibitions, but she also don't seem to care too much anymore about the results, to wish another Oly.

Let's see how much she can still be competitive with the new points system.
 
BillNeal said:
Fine opening choreography. I'm liking the steps into the Lutz, which is coming together nicely. She seems to be pushing the content with potentially 3Lz, 3F-3T, 2A. New SOV will definitely benefit her quality jumps.
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that seems the plan. with this content she would be in front of the russians after the sp and if they make the smallest error more than 5 points. However, we knwo its carolina, she will double out either the lz or the toe 75% of the time...
 
halulupu said:
that seems the plan. with this content she would be in front of the russians after the sp and if they make the smallest error more than 5 points. However, we knwo its carolina, she will double out either the lz or the toe 75% of the time...
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Well, last season she actually only doubled the lutz once out of four tries in the FS in ISU competitions. She fell on a fully rotated triple lutz once and landed two beautiful ones. So she only doubled 25% of her lutz's last season.

As for the toe after the flip, in the SP, she only doubled two of five times, which is 40% including once at Lombardia, which I'm actually not sure that she intended to attempt 3F-3T there. For the FS, it's harder to say because her layout for part of the season had 2 3F, 2 3S with a solo 3T so no intention to include 3F-3T sometimes: http://skatingscores.com/unit/ita/carolina_kostner/
 
I actually don‘t care whether Caro‘s in front of anyone, including the Russians. Of course I want her to do well and to win but I think she‘s already past that stage where only medals matter. I think she‘s staying around for the sake of the feeling of competing, the friendship with the other skaters and most of all just because she simply loves to skate. Of course, she‘s an elite athlete, somewhere the aspect of winning or medaling must play a role but she‘s already achieved everything there is to achieve. Olympic Medal, World Title, European Title, GPF Title, she has it all. And I honestly don‘t care if she doubles her lutz 25% or 50% or 75% of the time because let‘s be honest, her technique is still textbook even when she falls or pops. :laugh: She doesn‘t even need to jump at all for me to adore her skating. But of course I hope she does well with her jumps. Because if she does, I really think the rule changes are in her favor.
 
^ Unfortunately, there have been numerous posters with selective memories that only focus on her mistakes and use them to belittle her. They make exaggerated claims like throwing around false statistics, which can even influence fans to get a similar impression. Carolina doesn't make mistakes as often as some claim her to do. Carolina adds jumps when she is confident that she has a good success rate. In the Sochi quad, she didn't add her lutz back until 2013 and she performed a beautiful one at both Euros and Worlds FS that season. And I agree, I enjoy her skating regardless of what jumps she chooses to put or not put in her programs. However, she has been steadily upping her tech since her comeback and even constantly doing her Lutz in shows in what is likely her new SP. Therefore, I think she is prepping her Lutz in the off-season to add it early in the season instead of at Nationals.
 
BillNeal said:
^ Unfortunately, there have been numerous posters with selective memories that only focus on her mistakes and use them to belittle her. They make exaggerated claims like throwing around false statistics, which can even influence fans to get a similar impression. Carolina doesn't make mistakes as often as some claim her to do. Carolina adds jumps when she is confident that she has a good success rate. In the Sochi quad, she didn't add her lutz back until 2013 and she performed a beautiful one at both Euros and Worlds FS that season. And I agree, I enjoy her skating regardless of what jumps she chooses to put or not put in her programs. However, she has been steadily upping her tech since her comeback and even constantly doing her Lutz in shows in what is likely her new SP. Therefore, I think she is prepping her Lutz in the off-season to add it early in the season instead of at Nationals.
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She's 31, show me a woman of that age who has competed successfully for such a long time, won as much as she has and came back multiple times from what many declared what would be the end to her career. How can people belittle someone like that? :disapp: I mean, she doesn't have the most difficult technical content but if she lands them, her jumps are textbook and as we saw at Worlds, she is still able to skate a perfect program. Her SP was gorgeous. She probably still lacks the stamina to skate a full long program without falls or popping some jumps but she's working hard and come on, how can't you appreciate that? Regardless of whether one likes her skating style or finds her overscored, the mere fact that she's been competing as long as she has, always pushed herself, never lost the love for the sport and still displays joy everytime she steps onto that ice is admirable. And I can't say whether she'll put the lutz in her programs this season because I don't know what her plans are and in which state of training she is currently in but I wish her all the best and I look forward to see her skating again because she brings me joy everytime she skates just because of her passion, elegance and maturity. Go, Caro! :luv17:

And her programs in Sochi were perfect. Different music choices in both to display her versatility, mature presentation, gorgeous skating skills, textbook jumps... Her Bolero program is probably still one of my all time favourites. :)
 
Fluture said:
She's 31, show me a woman of that age who has competed successfully for such a long time, won as much as she has and came back multiple times from what many declared what would be the end to her career. How can people belittle someone like that? :disapp: I mean, she doesn't have the most difficult technical content but if she lands them, her jumps are textbook and as we saw at Worlds, she is still able to skate a perfect program. Her SP was gorgeous. She probably still lacks the stamina to skate a full long program without falls or popping some jumps but she's working hard and come on, how can't you appreciate that? Regardless of whether one likes her skating style or finds her overscored, the mere fact that she's been competing as long as she has, always pushed herself, never lost the love for the sport and still displays joy everytime she steps onto that ice is admirable. And I can't say whether she'll put the lutz in her programs this season because I don't know what her plans are and in which state of training she is currently in but I wish her all the best and I look forward to see her skating again because she brings me joy everytime she skates just because of her passion, elegance and maturity. Go, Caro! :luv17:

And her programs in Sochi were perfect. Different music choices in both to display her versatility, mature presentation, gorgeous skating skills, textbook jumps... Her Bolero program is probably still one of my all time favourites. :)
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Well said, thank you! I'm glad to see that you appreciate the strengths of a wide variety of skaters. For example, you can be a fan of Alina and also be a fan of Caro. They don't necessarily need to be mutually-exclusive choices. More people should realize this.
 
BillNeal said:
Well said, thank you! I'm glad to see that you appreciate the strengths of a wide variety of skaters. For example, you can be a fan of Alina and also be a fan of Caro. They don't necessarily need to be mutually-exclusive choices. More people should realize this.
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Thank you :) I never got why you can't like more skaters than just one. I mean, obviously Alina and Carolina are very different but yes, I'm a fan of both of them and actually, it's the diversity that makes this sport so interesting. On the one hand, we have a very athletic skater like Alina who is very young and might not have found out what exactly she wants to express with her skating, on the other hand we have someone like Caro who has been around for ages and has the experience to turn every step, every move into a little story but maybe doesn't have the top technical content anymore. We have someone like Evgenia Medvedeva, who uses a wholly different style of expressing art than Carolina, being more theatrical in her acting. We have Ashley Wagner, who's a diva, just saying hip hip chin chin. Or Wakaba Higuchi who's nailing it being a Bond Girl. And so many more. And I like that. Most sports are usually like "who's the fastest, who jumped the farthest etc." But in skating you have each personality shine through their performance and you have different kinds of art expressed on the ice and that's what I think is the most beautiful. Being a fan of multiple skaters because it gives you the whole experience. Only liking one restricts you. ;) Obviously we all have our favourites. But like you said: They don't have to be mutually exclusive choices. :)

And this is kind of off-topic but oh well, I guess looking at how Caro's friends with so many different skaters all over the world... ;)
 
BillNeal said:
Well, last season she actually only doubled the lutz once out of four tries in the FS in ISU competitions. She fell on a fully rotated triple lutz once and landed two beautiful ones. So she only doubled 25% of her lutz's last season.

As for the toe after the flip, in the SP, she only doubled two of five times, which is 40% including once at Lombardia, which I'm actually not sure that she intended to attempt 3F-3T there. For the FS, it's harder to say because her layout for part of the season had 2 3F, 2 3S with a solo 3T so no intention to include 3F-3T sometimes: http://skatingscores.com/unit/ita/carolina_kostner/
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wow that site is really informative!

Fluture said:
She's 31, show me a woman of that age who has competed successfully for such a long time, won as much as she has and came back multiple times from what many declared what would be the end to her career. How can people belittle someone like that? :disapp: I mean, she doesn't have the most difficult technical content but if she lands them, her jumps are textbook and as we saw at Worlds, she is still able to skate a perfect program. Her SP was gorgeous. She probably still lacks the stamina to skate a full long program without falls or popping some jumps but she's working hard and come on, how can't you appreciate that? Regardless of whether one likes her skating style or finds her overscored, the mere fact that she's been competing as long as she has, always pushed herself, never lost the love for the sport and still displays joy everytime she steps onto that ice is admirable. And I can't say whether she'll put the lutz in her programs this season because I don't know what her plans are and in which state of training she is currently in but I wish her all the best and I look forward to see her skating again because she brings me joy everytime she skates just because of her passion, elegance and maturity. Go, Caro! :luv17:

And her programs in Sochi were perfect. Different music choices in both to display her versatility, mature presentation, gorgeous skating skills, textbook jumps... Her Bolero program is probably still one of my all time favourites. :)
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It is good that they are limiting backloading to 3 in the FS :)

I am really looking forward to her new SP this year. It might be even better than 2017-2018, and that already was one of my favourites!
 
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