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[Skatesocs]

Tarasova is Aphrodite... Wait no what have I done!

 

[lesnar001]

Dragging Alina? She is in it from the beginning..She was who started this.

Alina....
The face that launched a thousand ships.

I do agree that she is the main reason this whole war started.
I still don't agree with Plushy publicly "outing" that she was looking to change to him.
And that is because of the awkardness it could cause her with Eteri.
She may not be competing presently, but she is still training there.
I do understand Plushy's need to defend himself of "luring" skaters.
But couldn't he easily refute those charges by using Sasha and Aliona as examples?

Well, on some level, at least this shows that Alina obviously wanted to keep competing and learn quads.
Unfortunately, with all that has transpired in the last few months (including the pandemic) that ship may have already sailed.

 

[yume]

For someone who is ranting that judges were corrupted, it is quite interesting to see that he knows them quite closely... a lot of talks seem to have been done there.

I'm surprised that a coach can be so close to judges and fed's leaders. And have that amount of talks. Talks that solved some things apparently.

 

[anonymoose_au]

A true Slytherin.
I love that she says he's defending himself, as if his shady take on Zagitova's struggles wasn't an attack. If another coach tells him how to train his skaters and pretend to know better what is suited for them i guess he will be glad.

Eteri is really a griffindor though. The guts she has to talk negatively about people who can make her life harder (Plushy and Tarasova)

LOL this seems out of place, Tarasova is totally loving Eteri right now, she convinced Zhenya Med to go back to her!

Plushy making Eteri's life harder? Maybe now, but at the beginning when this feud started he didn't do anything of the sort, at no point did Plushy say Eteri wasn't a good coach or didn't know how to coach, he only said Alina could use more help, are you denying that she was really struggling last season before her break?

In response to the totally innocent statement, Eteri called him a FRAUD. A fake coach who didn't care about his students and is just in it for the money. I'm sure Eteri works hard, but Plushy works hard too and she had no right at all to say that. She's the established coach, he's just starting out, how would she have felt if 3 years into her own career if Alexei Mishin or someone had said that to her?

 

[Edwin]

I remember some coaches in the US getting "blacklisted" over poaching students from other coaches. Is that more of a USFSA thing or is that strongly frowned upon everywhere?

In North America there are no state schools specialised in sport for children and youths.

Everything is commercial there, right? Transfers are common, so must be luring, poaching by extension.

When there is a rule against this practice, it must be in the rulebook. Perhaps even model contract blanks for the parents to study?

 

[esteticlove]

"- As for Alina, Yana really communicates with her for a long time and they correspond. Alina was really going to leave for me a year ago, and no one lured her away. It really is.
- Did she turn to you and say that she decided to go?
- I tell you as it is, but how it happened, why do you need to know?
- This is the most interesting. This is the answer, whether they lured away or not.
- Yana wrote to her this time, because we have a show. It didn't say "go train with us".
- Well, that's understandable.
- We are the owners of our shows, while she is not in sports, we decided to propose.
- Why?
- This season she will not skate.
- In this, it is clear that, most likely, it will not.
- And we have a show not only in Russia, but also abroad. Next year we are planning to show our "Swan Lake" in Japan. Our Japanese partners, like us, would like to see Alina "White Swan" there, they wanted to invite her to ride with us, test new ice (we have a Canadian water purification system - mirror ice), Western choreographers will help in staging shows for Asia. Alina really wanted this role. Yana discussed this with her a year ago, so they invited her. When an athlete does not skate, but leads a show on television, she is not in sports, she has various other options open. She's not a serf. She has no agents, no one. She even, in my opinion, does not even know about it. We offered her to cooperate. Where is the poaching here? The bottom line is the offer to ride a show in Japan, not even in Russia (since she skates with Tanya Navka in Moscow), but in no case is there any enticement here. There is an offer to cooperate. We ride in the show andJulia Lipnitskaya , and Adelina Sotnikova , and Lena Radionova, and Stolbova Ksenia , no one asked the coaches for permission.
“She's a member of another headquarters.
- Well, what's wrong with that?
- To be completely honest, you need to go to the headquarters first. Let's say Tatyana Navka invited her to the show, but she called Tutberidze first.
- Yes, I don't care who invited her. Eteri is not a manager (Zagitova). Here I have a manager, and everyone knows through whom to communicate. Either they call me directly, or they communicate through the manager. Or they call directly, and I send to the agent. Alina Zagitova has no manager.
- The position is clear.
- Well, that's all. Why should I call the coach? I'm not inviting her to Japan to compete in Japan Open."

I would like to see her in tha show.

Of course he wants her in the show. Lipnitskaya, Sotnikova and Radionova all together cannot bring the same fuzz and success to the show as Alina by just stepping on the ice. He knows that, everyone knows that. It's understandable to invite Alina but also he has to finally find peace with her refusing that offer And she may not have a manager, but whoever is giving her advice on how to deal with her PR is doing a far better job than all those clowns

 

[Edwin]

I'm surprised that a coach can be so close to judges and fed's leaders. And have that amount of talks. Talks that solved some things apparently.

This is only the great Yevgeniy Viktorovich talking to a lapdog journalist.

Every coach thinks he has the best connections 'upstairs' , but only this particular one needs to show off in public he has 'connections', 'certain knowledge' perhaps even 'power', in veiled threats and insults. Wether the CSKA column will be particularly amused, we don't know yet.

No doubt Plyushchenko wants to buy influence and is willing to go paths nobody has ever gone before. Given his long career and how he got to where he is and by whom, he knows everything about 'envelopes'.

FFKKR is still malcontent over losing skaters they raised and provided for for many years, now to have them squeezed by some commercial outfit.

But since Trusova and Kostornaya still compete on the FFKKR license, receive state stipends, their proceedings will also have to be shared. Seems only there will be little hard currency USD, EURO or SFR coming in this year ....

 

[Edwin]

Regarding Zagitova in show business, her management will obviously keep all options open, including the Plyushchenko/Rudkovskaya/Zakaryan empire.

Alina's father knows the drill in dealing with players, sponsors and media. And there seems to be a quite competent PR and management agency at work behind Zagitova.

It's still only Plyushchenko's words against those of others, who mostly have stayed silent.

It would be nice to hear again from the Trusov's or Kostorniy's, but they perhaps best leave all the bull and crap to Plyushchenko?
No need to discuss this over family breakfast and dinner, keep your work and private separate.

 

[plushyfan]

Of course he wants her in the show. Lipnitskaya, Sotnikova and Radionova all together cannot bring the same fuzz and success to the show as Alina by just stepping on the ice. He knows that, everyone knows that. It's understandable to invite Alina but also he has to finally find peace with her refusing that offer And she may not have a manager, but whoever is giving her advice on how to deal with her PR is doing a far better job than all those clowns

Yes, this is logical.But you forgot Alina also wanted it their talking was about it. For me it's weird you are a fan of Alina but you can accept Alina seems really an Eteri's serf . Such a great star needs an agent!!!! But Eteri doesn't allow it. Why?

 

[Edwin]

Aleksandr Gorshkov: “This season is unusual, we need to focus on work and not forget about professional ethics”

FFKKR President Aleksandr Gorshkov commented on the stream of information that has developed recently around figure skating:

- First of all, we need to calm down, focus on work and not forget about professional ethics. We are one team, we represent the Russian national team, and we need to find a common language, without the help of “intermediaries”.

This season is not going to be easy. Due to the continuing threat of the spread of coronavisus, as a result, quarantine measures, in all countries where the competitions are held, the organizers are making great efforts to ensure that skaters have the opportunity to train and perform. And we must appreciate what we have.

 

[plushyfan]

Yes, the great Yevgeni Victorovich talks openly always, face to face and he doesn't use fake informations to destroy his rival. Eteri did it she lost my reputation. It was. She is a sneaky liar.

 

[plushyfan]

Alina....
The face that launched a thousand ships.

I do agree that she is the main reason this whole war started.
I still don't agree with Plushy publicly "outing" that she was looking to change to him.
And that is because of the awkardness it could cause her with Eteri.
She may not be competing presently, but she is still training there.
I do understand Plushy's need to defend himself of "luring" skaters.
But couldn't he easily refute those charges by using Sasha and Aliona as examples?

Well, on some level, at least this shows that Alina obviously wanted to keep competing and learn quads.
Unfortunately, with all that has transpired in the last few months (including the pandemic) that ship may have already sailed.

Yay, you are really weird... Who brought Alina to the scandal publicly? Who posted the private message openly? According to you Plushenko has no right to defend himself despite to the fact that was half or fake information? Eteri's post made him a liar, but he has no right to defend himself and to show who is the bad "guy" who was the liar in the party? Are you joking with me?

 

[yume]

If we consider this fandom dynamics, Eteri is Severus Snape and Plushy Harry Potter.

 

[plushyfan]

Well let's not blame Alina for any of this, just as Sasha, Aliona and Zhenya Med have/had a right to leave Eteri she has the right to stay. It's hardly her fault if Eteri and Plushy fight about her or if Plushy choses to answer a question about her (tbh I feel like he should ignore those, Alina's not competing so it's really neither here nor there).

According to the interview which I finally got around to reading, the DMs between Alina and Yana were regarding the Swan Lake show which he is hoping to take to Japan. Alina is beloved there so having her as the white swan would be pretty awesome. Of course if Alina plans to return it would probably be impossible to do the show even if she wanted to. So that could be an indication that Alina does hope to compete once more.

I don't blame her..I just said she was in the case from the beginnig. She wanted to learn quads from Plushy wanted to go to him. She asked Yana about any Japanese cosmetics. She had talking on IG with yana about the Swan Lake show in Japan.

 

[plushyfan]

Eteri is really a griffindor though. The guts she has to talk negatively about people who can make her life harder (Plushy and Tarasova)

She has guts to lie..and she make it in a sly way.

 

[plushyfan]

If we consider this fandom dynamics, Eteri is Severus Snape

Yes, she is. And it will be clear.

 

[plushyfan]

Exactly! I remember clearly that Plushy made no suggestion at the time of #2 that Alina should even come to his school specifically. He merely pointed out - as others had - that Alina could have benefited from more attention from her team. And she probably would have, the fact Eteri reacted the way she did speaks to me of a guilty conscience and in order to deflect it she made an outrageous attack.

And with #4, Alina and Plushy were both at a show in Japan I believe and she asked for advice. Is Eteri suggesting her student aren't even allowed to talk to other skaters at a show without permission? I remember hearing that Javi (I think?) also got some jumping advice from Plushy at a show, did Brian O lose his mind over it?

It seems Alina fans can accept that Alina is a serf of Eteri.

 

[yume]

Yes, she is. And it will be clear.

She is maybe. Severus is the greatest misjudged character of the books.

 

[lesnar001]

Yay, you are really weird... Who brought Alina to the scandal publicly? Who posted the private message openly? According to you Plushenko has no right to defend himself despite to the fact that was half or fake information? Eteri's post made him a liar, but he has no right to defend himself and to show who is the bad "guy" who was the liar in the party? Are you joking with me?

I give up with you. I really and truly do.
I never said Plushy instigated this stuff.
I said I didn't like that he publicly stated
A) Alina sought him out about quads
B) Alina approached him about changing coaches
Alina did face some hostility in the first case (poems about betrayal and the sister's insults)
Thankfully nothing in the second case yet.

What do I have to do? Approve of every single thing Plushy does to defend himself?
You complain about some people here excusing every thing Eteri does.
And yet you come very close to the same thing yourself.
And no, that doesn't mean I think what Plushy did is the same as Eteri posting things about Aliona and Sasha on IG, or posting poems for Alina's benefit.

 

[anonymoose_au]

She is maybe. Severus is the greatest misjudged character of the books.

That's true, he was on the side of good in the end.

However, he was still a pretty awful guy, he was prejudiced against muggle borns, treated Harry appalling because of who his father was (a father he never got a chance to know), treated Neville even worse because...I guess Voldemort didn't pick Neville to kill (that's seriously messed up) and at first he only wanted Lily to be spared from death not caring what happened to James or Harry (who was only baby at the time!). I think he truly believed he loved Lily, but he couldn't love all of her (the muggle part), which is why it never could have worked out between them.

Which actually doesn't have anything to do with Eteri...