ThisThere are so many different topics in this thread... what bothers me most about ice dance is the general attitude towards its scoring, like, there isn't even a decent effort being made to actually objectively define the scores on a pure sportive level. All this "figure skating is always subjective" talks really puts me off. The terms that are used in figure skating in general are not really helpful there, like "artistry" which can mean everything. In ice dance all these problems are still worse. Actually I think it is not subjective and every effort should be made to make the scoring as transparent and coherent as possible. Everything else is Eurovision song contest. Sorry for becoming agitated about this, I don't want to offend people, but that's what I think.
I guess probably for many people the drawcard for ice dance is entertainment. Personally what I like about it is its technicality. It's a great sport and worth being treated seriously as such.
The tech panel have a lot on their plate for ice dance and I think they do a good job mostly. It's a pity that all that hard work they put in to be precise and objective is often outweighed by the handwaviness in other areas of scoring.
And yeah, showing a real-time scorebox for PCS doesn't have much point when PCS is supposed to evaluate the programme over its entire duration. I do think an automated PCS cap for falls would be feasible to engineer - on condition that we decide that 'any fall (called by TP as such) = serious error'. Which is another kettle of fish
Yes I think you hit the nail on the head there. I need to revisit videos from that era!Actually, ice dance PCS was less subjective in the 2011-2014 Quad. We had a thread about its intracacies:
Ice Dancing PCS Rules 2011-2012
After reading all the different comments in the FD and SD threads for GPF, and also the thread where Maxim Trankov, long time pairs competitor, has trouble understanding his score, I thought it would be interesting to see whether I could put together a thread that would help all of us get a...www.goldenskate.com
There has been a general watering down of ice dance PCS scores since:
- Now we have 3 choreo stunts per FD, which are entirely subjective
- The near disappearance of timing and rhythm requirements, where to get a top score you used to need to have 100% timing
- Knee slides are good instead of bad
- Sitting on someone's head is ok as long as it is not for long
- And there are now 3 PCS components instead of 5
It is not surprising that we don't see young teams advance as fast as they used to since more subjective scores has meant that past reputation has become more important.
With the general trend in ice dance now I feel like it's moving more towards show skating (which I like watching, but don't think it belongs in a competitive arena).